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  Message Not Read  Director of Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/27/2022 4:50:52 PM 
https://twitter.com/RyanBainbridge0/status/15194145463640...

Appears Ryan Bainbridge Director of Recruiting and Player Personnel has left the program leaving his position and I believe the running back coach spot open.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/27/2022 5:43:55 PM 
Valley Cat wrote:
https://twitter.com/RyanBainbridge0/status/15194145463640...

Appears Ryan Bainbridge Director or Recruiting and Player Personnel has left the program leaving his position and I believe the running back coach spot open.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/27/2022 9:21:30 PM 
They talk about this being a key time for recruiting so this canít exactly help us. Starting to worry about staff changes after all the years of little change that people complained about.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/28/2022 8:23:45 AM 
Not sure what loss this is. Recruiting is a staff wide endeavor, targets and visitation schedules to schools is already complete, coaches know what they are doing and where they are going.

On the other side, I wish Ryan well. But he is getting out of coaching for his family, so that is awesome for him, it's a very taxing job. Not like he's jumping ship for other jobs.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/28/2022 9:42:17 AM 
Not like weíve been killing it with recruiting. Not blaming him but thereís no indication heís an irreplaceable superstar. Good luck in the future. Find happiness.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/29/2022 8:07:54 PM 
We wish Ryan all the best. The Bobcats will find a a quality person for this position.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/30/2022 9:10:15 AM 
Iím not even sure I understand recruiting at this point. Why waste the resources to travel around to HIgh Schools? Just pluck the portal until you fill your 85. When you eclipse it just assume other kids are leaving regardless. When you get them to campus you have to recruit them every year. If not they just head into the portal. I canít imagine the energy it takes to Coach or work in the football offices at this point. Or basketball for that matter.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 4/30/2022 11:55:21 AM 
Valley Cat wrote:
Iím not even sure I understand recruiting at this point. Why waste the resources to travel around to HIgh Schools? Just pluck the portal until you fill your 85. When you eclipse it just assume other kids are leaving regardless. When you get them to campus you have to recruit them every year. If not they just head into the portal. I canít imagine the energy it takes to Coach or work in the football offices at this point. Or basketball for that matter.


Of course you're assuming that (1) you can find 85 players in the portal every year who WANT to come to Ohio (not a valid assumption, especially with our current football situation) and (2) you can find 85 players in the portal every year who are good enough to be on schollie at Ohio (there's a reason why 41% of the D1A players in the portal didn't get an offer from any school, including Ohio, over the last two years). So you at least have to go through the process of recruiting HS players. And who knows, you might get a better quality of HS player because the "P"s are filling their rosters with transfers and not taking as many HS recruits. Of course, they'd be likely to move on in a year or two, but that's the new reality of life in college sports.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 5/1/2022 1:11:48 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Not sure what loss this is. Recruiting is a staff wide endeavor, targets and visitation schedules to schools is already complete, coaches know what they are doing and where they are going.

On the other side, I wish Ryan well. But he is getting out of coaching for his family, so that is awesome for him, it's a very taxing job. Not like he's jumping ship for other jobs.


Itís not a position that requires much of a transition from a day to day aspect. Itís more or less a checklist. I was there through Michael George, Eric Kohr, and Bain. The new guy will just pick up where Bain left off. What I viewed as the hardest part of that job (as well as the dumbest) was the 100+ nearly daily mailers they would individualize, print out, put in envelopes, and send to players. Player X is getting 3+ letters a week from Ohio football. It just always seemed a bit old school and creepy to me but what do I know. I guess high schoolers like being courted like an 80s rom-com. Obviously there is way more to the job but I always thought that looked tedious when a lot of the recruiting girls donít work consistent hours. This staff LOVES hiring in house as most people probably realize by now so Bainís replacement is Kyle Pollock.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 5/1/2022 4:08:54 PM 
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Not sure what loss this is. Recruiting is a staff wide endeavor, targets and visitation schedules to schools is already complete, coaches know what they are doing and where they are going.

On the other side, I wish Ryan well. But he is getting out of coaching for his family, so that is awesome for him, it's a very taxing job. Not like he's jumping ship for other jobs.


Itís not a position that requires much of a transition from a day to day aspect. Itís more or less a checklist. I was there through Michael George, Eric Kohr, and Bain. The new guy will just pick up where Bain left off. What I viewed as the hardest part of that job (as well as the dumbest) was the 100+ nearly daily mailers they would individualize, print out, put in envelopes, and send to players. Player X is getting 3+ letters a week from Ohio football. It just always seemed a bit old school and creepy to me but what do I know. I guess high schoolers like being courted like an 80s rom-com. Obviously there is way more to the job but I always thought that looked tedious when a lot of the recruiting girls donít work consistent hours. This staff LOVES hiring in house as most people probably realize by now so Bainís replacement is Kyle Pollock.


Wow, thanks, I had no idea what it was like in that position or the insides of OHIO Football. Thank you for enlightening me.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 5/1/2022 11:15:04 PM 
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Not sure what loss this is. Recruiting is a staff wide endeavor, targets and visitation schedules to schools is already complete, coaches know what they are doing and where they are going.

On the other side, I wish Ryan well. But he is getting out of coaching for his family, so that is awesome for him, it's a very taxing job. Not like he's jumping ship for other jobs.


Itís not a position that requires much of a transition from a day to day aspect. Itís more or less a checklist. I was there through Michael George, Eric Kohr, and Bain. The new guy will just pick up where Bain left off. What I viewed as the hardest part of that job (as well as the dumbest) was the 100+ nearly daily mailers they would individualize, print out, put in envelopes, and send to players. Player X is getting 3+ letters a week from Ohio football. It just always seemed a bit old school and creepy to me but what do I know. I guess high schoolers like being courted like an 80s rom-com. Obviously there is way more to the job but I always thought that looked tedious when a lot of the recruiting girls donít work consistent hours. This staff LOVES hiring in house as most people probably realize by now so Bainís replacement is Kyle Pollock.


Thanks for then insight Lackey. Much more perspective and value than we usually get from so called "insiders" who hang around the department. Agree about the last century view - of course you get that from those that have been involved since last century.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 5/2/2022 2:49:31 AM 
Not to get too into it but in my personal opinion I think one of the biggest mistakes this program has ever made was letting Michael George leave. Internal politics and differing personalities aside that guy was an absolute machine. Heís a literal genius and should probably be an engineer based on his education. Obviously he did his job as Director of Recruiting but on top of that he handled all of the coaches film, managed the film staff, knew the entire offense, defense, and special teams like the back of his hand (helped us out a ton with inputting it all into the system when weíd inevitably not know something), and did a great job at figuring out other teams signals. Obviously we can only pay MAC money but if I was running the show I would have found an extra $20,000 somewhere and considered it money well spent. It also ultimately cost us the Texas State loss in 2017 as well.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 5/24/2022 12:21:31 PM 
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Not sure what loss this is. Recruiting is a staff wide endeavor, targets and visitation schedules to schools is already complete, coaches know what they are doing and where they are going.

On the other side, I wish Ryan well. But he is getting out of coaching for his family, so that is awesome for him, it's a very taxing job. Not like he's jumping ship for other jobs.


Itís not a position that requires much of a transition from a day to day aspect. Itís more or less a checklist. I was there through Michael George, Eric Kohr, and Bain. The new guy will just pick up where Bain left off. What I viewed as the hardest part of that job (as well as the dumbest) was the 100+ nearly daily mailers they would individualize, print out, put in envelopes, and send to players. Player X is getting 3+ letters a week from Ohio football. It just always seemed a bit old school and creepy to me but what do I know. I guess high schoolers like being courted like an 80s rom-com. Obviously there is way more to the job but I always thought that looked tedious when a lot of the recruiting girls donít work consistent hours. This staff LOVES hiring in house as most people probably realize by now so Bainís replacement is Kyle Pollock.



The oracle has spoken lol

https://ohiobobcats.com/news/2022/5/24/ohio-football-name...

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/11/2022 9:11:53 AM 
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/11/2022 7:26:06 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/11/2022 9:37:53 PM 
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/11/2022 10:19:19 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/11/2022 10:35:23 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


One issue is the simple fact that we are short-staffed and out-resourced. However the single biggest issue plaguing OU athletics and their ability to recruit is the administration of Ohio University. OU is the hardest school in the conference to transfer into. You can have guys with a 4.0 GPA and not be eligible to transfer because you have to complete 50% of your degree at OU. So if you spent 6 semesters or more at your previous school and havenít graduated then OU wonít accept you because youíve already accomplished over 50% of your degree. On top of that, they have to have progress towards a degree. So you canít just have completed 4 semesters and not be on track to graduate in 4 years. Frank and Tim have brought it up the food chain through the AD. An unnamed coach of another sport figured they have enough security and they had the balls to go over the ADís head to the school. Obviously this ridiculous requirement hasnít gotten fixed yet. In my mind I think the buck falls on the donors. I wouldnít give a single dime to the school until this issue is addressed because we are going to struggle and struggle and struggle to compete in recruiting. As long as they can count on their annual donations from certain people like the Sookís, the Walterís, and a handful of others then the product isnít going to change because those of you guys who throw a few bucks into the collection basket on Christmas and Easter donít really matter in the grand scheme of things. If those people said, ďHey Iím not going to give you guys your annual half a million dollar slush fund until you get this straightened outĒ then I can almost guarantee that things would change and they would change fast.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/12/2022 12:39:30 AM 
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


One issue is the simple fact that we are short-staffed and out-resourced. However the single biggest issue plaguing OU athletics and their ability to recruit is the administration of Ohio University. OU is the hardest school in the conference to transfer into. You can have guys with a 4.0 GPA and not be eligible to transfer because you have to complete 50% of your degree at OU. So if you spent 6 semesters or more at your previous school and havenít graduated then OU wonít accept you because youíve already accomplished over 50% of your degree. On top of that, they have to have progress towards a degree. So you canít just have completed 4 semesters and not be on track to graduate in 4 years. Frank and Tim have brought it up the food chain through the AD. An unnamed coach of another sport figured they have enough security and they had the balls to go over the ADís head to the school. Obviously this ridiculous requirement hasnít gotten fixed yet. In my mind I think the buck falls on the donors. I wouldnít give a single dime to the school until this issue is addressed because we are going to struggle and struggle and struggle to compete in recruiting. As long as they can count on their annual donations from certain people like the Sookís, the Walterís, and a handful of others then the product isnít going to change because those of you guys who throw a few bucks into the collection basket on Christmas and Easter donít really matter in the grand scheme of things. If those people said, ďHey Iím not going to give you guys your annual half a million dollar slush fund until you get this straightened outĒ then I can almost guarantee that things would change and they would change fast.


Great observation and I agree.

A lot of alums too spent their time only in the campus bubble and aren't aware of just how bad the problems are in the greater community. Donations continue to roll in at record levels to the school in part due to general ignorance of the problems. Problems like prospective students not wanting to attend because the food is crappy and the campus isn't well maintained. Cheapness is the name of the game.


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   Posted: 6/12/2022 8:28:35 AM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


One issue is the simple fact that we are short-staffed and out-resourced. However the single biggest issue plaguing OU athletics and their ability to recruit is the administration of Ohio University. OU is the hardest school in the conference to transfer into. You can have guys with a 4.0 GPA and not be eligible to transfer because you have to complete 50% of your degree at OU. So if you spent 6 semesters or more at your previous school and havenít graduated then OU wonít accept you because youíve already accomplished over 50% of your degree. On top of that, they have to have progress towards a degree. So you canít just have completed 4 semesters and not be on track to graduate in 4 years. Frank and Tim have brought it up the food chain through the AD. An unnamed coach of another sport figured they have enough security and they had the balls to go over the ADís head to the school. Obviously this ridiculous requirement hasnít gotten fixed yet. In my mind I think the buck falls on the donors. I wouldnít give a single dime to the school until this issue is addressed because we are going to struggle and struggle and struggle to compete in recruiting. As long as they can count on their annual donations from certain people like the Sookís, the Walterís, and a handful of others then the product isnít going to change because those of you guys who throw a few bucks into the collection basket on Christmas and Easter donít really matter in the grand scheme of things. If those people said, ďHey Iím not going to give you guys your annual half a million dollar slush fund until you get this straightened outĒ then I can almost guarantee that things would change and they would change fast.


Great observation and I agree.

A lot of alums too spent their time only in the campus bubble and aren't aware of just how bad the problems are in the greater community. Donations continue to roll in at record levels to the school in part due to general ignorance of the problems. Problems like prospective students not wanting to attend because the food is crappy and the campus isn't well maintained. Cheapness is the name of the game.


Donations at record levels? Iím not sure about that - what are they $40 million? Thatís nothing in todays economy, where there are billionaires giving tens of millions every year to their schools. There are athletic departments that take in more donations than our University.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/12/2022 12:15:34 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


One issue is the simple fact that we are short-staffed and out-resourced. However the single biggest issue plaguing OU athletics and their ability to recruit is the administration of Ohio University. OU is the hardest school in the conference to transfer into. You can have guys with a 4.0 GPA and not be eligible to transfer because you have to complete 50% of your degree at OU. So if you spent 6 semesters or more at your previous school and havenít graduated then OU wonít accept you because youíve already accomplished over 50% of your degree. On top of that, they have to have progress towards a degree. So you canít just have completed 4 semesters and not be on track to graduate in 4 years. Frank and Tim have brought it up the food chain through the AD. An unnamed coach of another sport figured they have enough security and they had the balls to go over the ADís head to the school. Obviously this ridiculous requirement hasnít gotten fixed yet. In my mind I think the buck falls on the donors. I wouldnít give a single dime to the school until this issue is addressed because we are going to struggle and struggle and struggle to compete in recruiting. As long as they can count on their annual donations from certain people like the Sookís, the Walterís, and a handful of others then the product isnít going to change because those of you guys who throw a few bucks into the collection basket on Christmas and Easter donít really matter in the grand scheme of things. If those people said, ďHey Iím not going to give you guys your annual half a million dollar slush fund until you get this straightened outĒ then I can almost guarantee that things would change and they would change fast.


Great observation and I agree.

A lot of alums too spent their time only in the campus bubble and aren't aware of just how bad the problems are in the greater community. Donations continue to roll in at record levels to the school in part due to general ignorance of the problems. Problems like prospective students not wanting to attend because the food is crappy and the campus isn't well maintained. Cheapness is the name of the game.


Donations at record levels? Iím not sure about that - what are they $40 million? Thatís nothing in todays economy, where there are billionaires giving tens of millions every year to their schools. There are athletic departments that take in more donations than our University.


40 million in one year is pretty good when the total endowments of NIU are 99 million and EMU is 78 million respectively. The university spent 7.5 million on student aid from the endowment last year out of a 22 mill endowment distribution (p.36). Ohio's investment pool on last year's numbers is $928 million (p.33) and the full internal bank is at $1.4 billion (p.53). This is all with the endowments market performance below average relative to the industry standard (p.37).

https://www.ohio.edu/sites/default/files/sites/finance/bu...

The University problem is perceived value as it relates to trying to sell itself to families and students. Better advising services and co-op programs would help with retention and attracting students. Commercial redevelopment of the ridges would be nice and a draw. Turn Richland Ave into a hotel row leading to The Convo and Peden. That should have been done 10 years ago.


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2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/12/2022 5:39:20 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


One issue is the simple fact that we are short-staffed and out-resourced. However the single biggest issue plaguing OU athletics and their ability to recruit is the administration of Ohio University. OU is the hardest school in the conference to transfer into. You can have guys with a 4.0 GPA and not be eligible to transfer because you have to complete 50% of your degree at OU. So if you spent 6 semesters or more at your previous school and havenít graduated then OU wonít accept you because youíve already accomplished over 50% of your degree. On top of that, they have to have progress towards a degree. So you canít just have completed 4 semesters and not be on track to graduate in 4 years. Frank and Tim have brought it up the food chain through the AD. An unnamed coach of another sport figured they have enough security and they had the balls to go over the ADís head to the school. Obviously this ridiculous requirement hasnít gotten fixed yet. In my mind I think the buck falls on the donors. I wouldnít give a single dime to the school until this issue is addressed because we are going to struggle and struggle and struggle to compete in recruiting. As long as they can count on their annual donations from certain people like the Sookís, the Walterís, and a handful of others then the product isnít going to change because those of you guys who throw a few bucks into the collection basket on Christmas and Easter donít really matter in the grand scheme of things. If those people said, ďHey Iím not going to give you guys your annual half a million dollar slush fund until you get this straightened outĒ then I can almost guarantee that things would change and they would change fast.


Great observation and I agree.

A lot of alums too spent their time only in the campus bubble and aren't aware of just how bad the problems are in the greater community. Donations continue to roll in at record levels to the school in part due to general ignorance of the problems. Problems like prospective students not wanting to attend because the food is crappy and the campus isn't well maintained. Cheapness is the name of the game.


Donations at record levels? Iím not sure about that - what are they $40 million? Thatís nothing in todays economy, where there are billionaires giving tens of millions every year to their schools. There are athletic departments that take in more donations than our University.


40 million in one year is pretty good when the total endowments of NIU are 99 million and EMU is 78 million respectively. The university spent 7.5 million on student aid from the endowment last year out of a 22 mill endowment distribution (p.36). Ohio's investment pool on last year's numbers is $928 million (p.33) and the full internal bank is at $1.4 billion (p.53). This is all with the endowments market performance below average relative to the industry standard (p.37).

https://www.ohio.edu/sites/default/files/sites/finance/bu...

The University problem is perceived value as it relates to trying to sell itself to families and students. Better advising services and co-op programs would help with retention and attracting students. Commercial redevelopment of the ridges would be nice and a draw. Turn Richland Ave into a hotel row leading to The Convo and Peden. That should have been done 10 years ago.


Great. You picked the lowest 2 endowments in the MAC to compare to. How about Western Michigan that just received a $550,000,000 gift to be spread over the next 10 years-the largest private gift on record to a US university?

Iíve not ever heard much about the academic restrictions youíre giving us. Very interesting to know. We must be right up there with Notre Dame and Duke in academics. Wondering how that affects our deficiencies in high school recruiting.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/12/2022 6:11:42 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


One issue is the simple fact that we are short-staffed and out-resourced. However the single biggest issue plaguing OU athletics and their ability to recruit is the administration of Ohio University. OU is the hardest school in the conference to transfer into. You can have guys with a 4.0 GPA and not be eligible to transfer because you have to complete 50% of your degree at OU. So if you spent 6 semesters or more at your previous school and havenít graduated then OU wonít accept you because youíve already accomplished over 50% of your degree. On top of that, they have to have progress towards a degree. So you canít just have completed 4 semesters and not be on track to graduate in 4 years. Frank and Tim have brought it up the food chain through the AD. An unnamed coach of another sport figured they have enough security and they had the balls to go over the ADís head to the school. Obviously this ridiculous requirement hasnít gotten fixed yet. In my mind I think the buck falls on the donors. I wouldnít give a single dime to the school until this issue is addressed because we are going to struggle and struggle and struggle to compete in recruiting. As long as they can count on their annual donations from certain people like the Sookís, the Walterís, and a handful of others then the product isnít going to change because those of you guys who throw a few bucks into the collection basket on Christmas and Easter donít really matter in the grand scheme of things. If those people said, ďHey Iím not going to give you guys your annual half a million dollar slush fund until you get this straightened outĒ then I can almost guarantee that things would change and they would change fast.


Great observation and I agree.

A lot of alums too spent their time only in the campus bubble and aren't aware of just how bad the problems are in the greater community. Donations continue to roll in at record levels to the school in part due to general ignorance of the problems. Problems like prospective students not wanting to attend because the food is crappy and the campus isn't well maintained. Cheapness is the name of the game.


Donations at record levels? Iím not sure about that - what are they $40 million? Thatís nothing in todays economy, where there are billionaires giving tens of millions every year to their schools. There are athletic departments that take in more donations than our University.


40 million in one year is pretty good when the total endowments of NIU are 99 million and EMU is 78 million respectively. The university spent 7.5 million on student aid from the endowment last year out of a 22 mill endowment distribution (p.36). Ohio's investment pool on last year's numbers is $928 million (p.33) and the full internal bank is at $1.4 billion (p.53). This is all with the endowments market performance below average relative to the industry standard (p.37).

https://www.ohio.edu/sites/default/files/sites/finance/bu...

The University problem is perceived value as it relates to trying to sell itself to families and students. Better advising services and co-op programs would help with retention and attracting students. Commercial redevelopment of the ridges would be nice and a draw. Turn Richland Ave into a hotel row leading to The Convo and Peden. That should have been done 10 years ago.


Great. You picked the lowest 2 endowments in the MAC to compare to. How about Western Michigan that just received a $550,000,000 gift to be spread over the next 10 years-the largest private gift on record to a US university?

Iíve not ever heard much about the academic restrictions youíre giving us. Very interesting to know. We must be right up there with Notre Dame and Duke in academics. Wondering how that affects our deficiencies in high school recruiting.


Well in terms of high school recruiting my next door neighborís dog could get accepted to OU. So itís ridiculous that they make transferring nearly impossible. The school doesnít want to advertise that they are the culprits of these policies that affect the sports programs ability to succeed. The money the university can count on being donated now will eventually dry up. Frank was a horrendous fundraiser and all of our donors are old. You would think a guy thatís friends with Warren Buffett would have given him a buzz at some point.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/13/2022 10:00:32 AM 
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BobcatLackey2017 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I think we are regressing for sure. Heitzman and Strobel were solid grad transfers. Talbert was decent when he wasnít hurt. Kryzancic wasnít a grad transfer but they acted like he was a great pick up from Minnesota which turned out to be laughable. In terms of recruiting I really donít know if itís a staff issue or the school itself is just unrecruitable. I love OU. We all do. But itís tough to portray OU as a sexy offer because the rest of the world just views the town of Athens like itís meth riddled BFE. Not to mention the cliff the MAC has fallen off in recent years. When I was a freshman the MAC was certainly ahead of the Sunbelt and C-USA in terms of respect and notoriety but the entire landscape has pivoted. Last season we were one of the worst teams in the worst conference in the Group of 5. Who is to blame for this? Iím not entirely sure because I think it falls on a variety of factors across the entire conference some of which is due to certain decisions and others due to the blind luck of losing the wrong football games on the wrong days.


Iím not so sure that Athens is that much of a detriment to recruiting. It is definitely not for everyone, but itís okay for some. I do think that Peden is not a great place to sell, weíre putting lipstick on a pig there. Youíre right about the MAC nowadays but thatís who weíre competing against recruiting wise so the other teams have that same problem that we do.


MAC has similar economics behind it which gives OU a shot.

You might want to check out those new G5 lineups because things have pivoted again. CUSA has lost most of its teams. There isn't a stepping stone conference ahead of the MAC in the east for the first time. That conference was CUSA and then it became the AAC. AAC moving forward isn't going to be rated higher than the MAC in football.

Playoff could impact the football program too. From what I read they want to finalize by next spring.


One issue is the simple fact that we are short-staffed and out-resourced. However the single biggest issue plaguing OU athletics and their ability to recruit is the administration of Ohio University. OU is the hardest school in the conference to transfer into. You can have guys with a 4.0 GPA and not be eligible to transfer because you have to complete 50% of your degree at OU. So if you spent 6 semesters or more at your previous school and havenít graduated then OU wonít accept you because youíve already accomplished over 50% of your degree. On top of that, they have to have progress towards a degree. So you canít just have completed 4 semesters and not be on track to graduate in 4 years. Frank and Tim have brought it up the food chain through the AD. An unnamed coach of another sport figured they have enough security and they had the balls to go over the ADís head to the school. Obviously this ridiculous requirement hasnít gotten fixed yet. In my mind I think the buck falls on the donors. I wouldnít give a single dime to the school until this issue is addressed because we are going to struggle and struggle and struggle to compete in recruiting. As long as they can count on their annual donations from certain people like the Sookís, the Walterís, and a handful of others then the product isnít going to change because those of you guys who throw a few bucks into the collection basket on Christmas and Easter donít really matter in the grand scheme of things. If those people said, ďHey Iím not going to give you guys your annual half a million dollar slush fund until you get this straightened outĒ then I can almost guarantee that things would change and they would change fast.


Great observation and I agree.

A lot of alums too spent their time only in the campus bubble and aren't aware of just how bad the problems are in the greater community. Donations continue to roll in at record levels to the school in part due to general ignorance of the problems. Problems like prospective students not wanting to attend because the food is crappy and the campus isn't well maintained. Cheapness is the name of the game.


Donations at record levels? Iím not sure about that - what are they $40 million? Thatís nothing in todays economy, where there are billionaires giving tens of millions every year to their schools. There are athletic departments that take in more donations than our University.


40 million in one year is pretty good when the total endowments of NIU are 99 million and EMU is 78 million respectively. The university spent 7.5 million on student aid from the endowment last year out of a 22 mill endowment distribution (p.36). Ohio's investment pool on last year's numbers is $928 million (p.33) and the full internal bank is at $1.4 billion (p.53). This is all with the endowments market performance below average relative to the industry standard (p.37).

https://www.ohio.edu/sites/default/files/sites/finance/bu...

The University problem is perceived value as it relates to trying to sell itself to families and students. Better advising services and co-op programs would help with retention and attracting students. Commercial redevelopment of the ridges would be nice and a draw. Turn Richland Ave into a hotel row leading to The Convo and Peden. That should have been done 10 years ago.


Great. You picked the lowest 2 endowments in the MAC to compare to. How about Western Michigan that just received a $550,000,000 gift to be spread over the next 10 years-the largest private gift on record to a US university?

Iíve not ever heard much about the academic restrictions youíre giving us. Very interesting to know. We must be right up there with Notre Dame and Duke in academics. Wondering how that affects our deficiencies in high school recruiting.


Well in terms of high school recruiting my next door neighborís dog could get accepted to OU. So itís ridiculous that they make transferring nearly impossible. The school doesnít want to advertise that they are the culprits of these policies that affect the sports programs ability to succeed. The money the university can count on being donated now will eventually dry up. Frank was a horrendous fundraiser and all of our donors are old. You would think a guy thatís friends with Warren Buffett would have given him a buzz at some point.


Merit aid starts at a 22 ACT for out of state students and a 25 ACT for in-state students. Your neighbors dog could get into OU and pick up a scholarship. This is my point is there is plenty of tuition discounting today to attract a higher profile student and its still not moving the needle. Prior to McDavis OU didn't have the foundation money to offer as aggressive discounting. The endowment was only 200 million and many more construction projects were under way at that time.


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2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

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  Message Not Read  RE: Director or Recruiting gone
   Posted: 6/13/2022 5:54:10 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
While some other MAC teams are loading up with P-5 transfers, weíre out giving offers to guys with 18 other D-1 offers. This has been discussed elsewhere I think, but it seems we have never been real big on transfers. The landscape has changed with the free agency we now see in D-1 football. Have we changed with it, or we just doing the same old thing that hadnít worked real well in the past?


I'm optimistic that the 3 and 4 year player will still be needed and the most beneficial to all programs once this new reality of NIL and the open portal calms down a bit. Especially in basketball, some of these kids enter the portal never to be seen again. Eventually, hopefully, the kids will get wise to that and stay where they are. Building your program with freshmen you recruited will always be the way to go, and fill in gaps if you have to with transfers if need be.

You don't really need to look any further than what Texas State did last year by not signing a single player out of high school and relying solely on transfers and JUCOs. Hint: they were not good. They did a similar thing this year, though I think they did sign a couple high schoolers this time and even got a guy from our Bobcats.
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