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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 7:30:52 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
What possible difference would it have made for Nebraska to wait until October to jettison him? Some big Alum must really be mad at his money to pony up the full amount when you could have saved significant MILLIONS by holding your nose for a few more weeks.


Really the only reason is to be able to get a jump start on their coaching search before the inevitable next coach gets fired. Auburn might be up next if Harsin doesn't show something quick. Keep an eye out for the Penn State game.

Also, they just didn't want to keep reading the bad press associated with losing with Frost. If you're gonna get crushed by Oklahoma, you may as well spin it like "oh well we just fired our coach, so there ya have it."


They can get started on the search as soon as they’d like, but no current coach is going to think about this until the seasons over. So they can look over the coaches who have retired or been fired who are doing tv right now and that’s about it. Would they hire a current coach who gets fired during the season? They’re stupid but can’t believe that’s the answer to their problems.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 8:06:37 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
After going 19-7 at UCF he was 16-31 at Nebraska. Flash in the pan or in over his head?


I think he's a good coach, but a few points here:

-UCF has one of the highest enrollments in the country and was growing at a rapid pace when he got there. Miami, Florida and Florida State haven't been as dominant as they used to be, so they kind of took advantage of a lot of different factors pointing in their direction.

-What made Nebraska great in the 70s, 80s and 90s just isn't going to happen anymore. Strength and conditioning program? Everyone has that. Walk-on program? Everyone has that. They're just not getting the talent they used to.

-Dovetailing from that: the move to the Big Ten has absolutely killed their recruiting. They used to pull guys from Texas because they could tell their moms and dads they'd be playing a few games there every year or so.



Of the historically successful teams that have been struggling back to solid ground lately (Florida State, Tennessee, etc.), Nebraska probably has the toughest road to hoe and smallest chance of success. Roster building alone will be a tough mountain to climb-not having that Texas footprint to pull from as much is a great point. Their realistic target for me would be on a similar level as say Iowa.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 10:08:03 AM 
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Nebraska is no longer relevant and we should not take a retread. There is no "solich" tree or legacy that should be considered.


Interesting comment, thought, and question. What does the Solich Coaching tree look like? Derek Mason, Tim Albin, any more?

And I am not able to understand why some are in love with Scott Frost.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 10:44:57 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
Nebraska is no longer relevant and we should not take a retread. There is no "solich" tree or legacy that should be considered.


Interesting comment, thought, and question. What does the Solich Coaching tree look like? Derek Mason, Tim Albin, any more?

And I am not able to understand why some are in love with Scott Frost.


Solich’s tree plus or minus
Bo pelini
Carl pelini
Craig Bohl
Lance Liepold
Others you mentioned

As far as frost goes, most of all of love is lost now, but his history at Oregon and 13-0 year at Central was enough for some apparently.

Last Edited: 9/13/2022 10:55:16 AM by colobobcat66

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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 11:09:04 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Realistically their search will (and I think should) go after one of three people:

1. Mark Stoops (Kentucky)
2. Matt Campbell (Iowa State)
3. Matt Entz (NDSU)

Anything outside of this is gonna take either some serious research or serious desperation (think Urban Meyer).

Nebraska needs to be positioned for the ability to recruit midwest and at the same time gear up for California recruiting. Prime opportunities with USC and UCLA joining the league.


I don't think you're wrong with Stoops being on the radar, but if you're him why would you take that job?

At Kentucky he has half the pressure to win and probably the best contract in college football. Any time his team reaches 7 wins, they add another year to his deal. Hell they can get 4 wins in non-conference play by scheduling cupcakes. Unless he's looking for a new challenge in building a historic program, I get that. But he's sitting pretty at UK.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 11:25:36 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
Nebraska is no longer relevant and we should not take a retread. There is no "solich" tree or legacy that should be considered.


Interesting comment, thought, and question. What does the Solich Coaching tree look like? Derek Mason, Tim Albin, any more?

And I am not able to understand why some are in love with Scott Frost.


Solich’s tree plus or minus
Bo pelini
Carl pelini
Craig Bohl
Lance Liepold
Others you mentioned

As far as frost goes, most of all of love is lost now, but his history at Oregon and 13-0 year at Central was enough for some apparently.


Thanks, I knew the Pelini's just forgot. Not been a very successful tree.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 11:47:50 AM 
I heard a clip yesterday from Alberts saying they’re looking for a coach that has “Nebraska values”. I’m not really sure exactly what that means, but I’m wondering if that reduces the pool of coaches. I’d like to hear him define it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 11:56:15 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
I heard a clip yesterday from Alberts saying they’re looking for a coach that has “Nebraska values”. I’m not really sure exactly what that means, but I’m wondering if that reduces the pool of coaches. I’d like to hear him define it.


It means whatever it needs to mean to be fitted to the eventual hire
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 1:24:50 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
I heard a clip yesterday from Alberts saying they’re looking for a coach that has “Nebraska values”. I’m not really sure exactly what that means, but I’m wondering if that reduces the pool of coaches. I’d like to hear him define it.


it means they lose with grace.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 5:11:30 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
Nebraska is no longer relevant and we should not take a retread. There is no "solich" tree or legacy that should be considered.


Interesting comment, thought, and question. What does the Solich Coaching tree look like? Derek Mason, Tim Albin, any more?

And I am not able to understand why some are in love with Scott Frost.


For the same reason some are in love with Willie Taggart -- one successful year early in a career often makes a coach a "golden boy." Taggart had one really good year at USF (10-2), his seventh season as a head coach, and 12 mediocre or less years totaling 58-72. But he was able to move to Oregon after that one really good year, then on to FSU after a 7-5 season at Oregon. He's in the third year of a five-year contract at FAU at $750,000 per year with a $3 million buyout if he leaves before December 1. His record so far at FAU, 12-12.

Last Edited: 9/13/2022 5:12:34 PM by Pataskala


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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 5:24:18 PM 
How the football world has changed in 19 years. Coach Solich got 1.8 million buyout after winning 75% of his games in Lincoln, Coach Frost gets 15 million for a losing record. Is this who you really want in the first place? Secondly, I can't imagine Coach Frost wanting to come to Athens with $15,000,000 in his pocket, in addition to the millions he already has made. I am guessing he will buy a nice beachfront home somewhere in Florida, all the while spending his time wistfully recounting his UCF successes with the Knight alumni and fanbase at various central Florida watering holes.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/13/2022 9:07:50 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
How the football world has changed in 19 years. Coach Solich got 1.8 million buyout after winning 75% of his games in Lincoln, Coach Frost gets 15 million for a losing record. Is this who you really want in the first place? Secondly, I can't imagine Coach Frost wanting to come to Athens with $15,000,000 in his pocket, in addition to the millions he already has made. I am guessing he will buy a nice beachfront home somewhere in Florida, all the while spending his time wistfully recounting his UCF successes with the Knight alumni and fanbase at various central Florida watering holes.


That's a logical conclusion you speculate. BUT, there are more greenbacks to be had and another buyout. These guys don't often get off the gravy train when lemmings abound.

Just how many great coaches are there really? Great as in being with the program 5 plus years and continues to put outstanding teams on the field. I'd say there are less than 10 and the schools not having one will continue to chase and pay and less than 5% of the programs will hit the mother lode.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/14/2022 8:56:35 AM 
There’s an article on the ESPN site that completes Alberts Nebraska values comment- play hard, win the line of scrimmage and do the fundamentals to win.
Seems pretty basic.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/14/2022 8:57:13 AM 
If you look at his coaching history, Frost succeeded every BUT Nebraska. Coordinator success at Oregon (QB coach for a Heisman winner), turned around an 0-12 UCF team and had them undefeated in two years. His record isn't long, but the one glaring failure has been a failure for basically everyone at Nebraska since the option game faded into Bolivian (as Mike Tyson once said). Since Solich left, Nebraska is 129-100. Pretty mediocre. I hate to say it's an impossible situation, but they are a team that hasn't felt like they've had an identity or been relevant in years and are trying to compete in a conference with OSU, Michigan, Penn St, Wisconsin, Mich St, and soon to be USC and UCLA. I feel like the Nebraska football program has become like Minnesota. Maybe they have a good year here or there, but otherwise, they are largely a tackling dummy for the elite programs in their conference. Leaving the Big 12 may not have been their best move.

All that being said, I think it's too soon to give up on Frost. He failed where several coaches have failed recently. He'll get another shot.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/15/2022 11:17:24 AM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
Why would you entertain hiring a tire fire?


Because he wasn't always a "tire fire".

Because recruiting is one of the most important pieces, if not THE MOST important piece, of the puzzle.

He struggled at Nebraska, sure. He was also the head coach OF Nebraska. That carries some weight. He also had success at Oregon. While coaching with... our very own, Brian Smith, who worked under Frost as RB's coach.

He also played in the NFL for a number of years.

Was NCAA Coach of the Year in 2017.

At Oregon, Frost was a finalist for the nation's top assistant. As the quarterbacks coach, Marcus Mariota won the Heisman, en route to a berth in the National Championship game. During Frost's three seasons as Oregon's offensive coordinator, the team recorded a 33–8 record and finished every year ranked among the nation's top six in both scoring offense and total offense.

If you're a mid-major team and you have a shot at hiring a 47 year old former Coach of the Year, you have to explore it.

Last Edited: 9/15/2022 11:27:57 AM by M.D.W.S.T

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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 8:24:52 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
Why would you entertain hiring a tire fire?


Because he wasn't always a "tire fire".

Because recruiting is one of the most important pieces, if not THE MOST important piece, of the puzzle.

He struggled at Nebraska, sure. He was also the head coach OF Nebraska. That carries some weight. He also had success at Oregon. While coaching with... our very own, Brian Smith, who worked under Frost as RB's coach.

He also played in the NFL for a number of years.

Was NCAA Coach of the Year in 2017.

At Oregon, Frost was a finalist for the nation's top assistant. As the quarterbacks coach, Marcus Mariota won the Heisman, en route to a berth in the National Championship game. During Frost's three seasons as Oregon's offensive coordinator, the team recorded a 33–8 record and finished every year ranked among the nation's top six in both scoring offense and total offense.

If you're a mid-major team and you have a shot at hiring a 47 year old former Coach of the Year, you have to explore it.



Think we could get him if we offered a long term guaranteed contract? I couldn't see him turning Frank down if Frank called him. At his age, he would be in Athens for 25 years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 10:01:49 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
Why would you entertain hiring a tire fire?


Because he wasn't always a "tire fire".

Because recruiting is one of the most important pieces, if not THE MOST important piece, of the puzzle.

He struggled at Nebraska, sure. He was also the head coach OF Nebraska. That carries some weight. He also had success at Oregon. While coaching with... our very own, Brian Smith, who worked under Frost as RB's coach.

He also played in the NFL for a number of years.

Was NCAA Coach of the Year in 2017.

At Oregon, Frost was a finalist for the nation's top assistant. As the quarterbacks coach, Marcus Mariota won the Heisman, en route to a berth in the National Championship game. During Frost's three seasons as Oregon's offensive coordinator, the team recorded a 33–8 record and finished every year ranked among the nation's top six in both scoring offense and total offense.

If you're a mid-major team and you have a shot at hiring a 47 year old former Coach of the Year, you have to explore it.



Think we could get him if we offered a long term guaranteed contract? I couldn't see him turning Frank down if Frank called him. At his age, he would be in Athens for 25 years.


I don't know where I would stand on this type of hire. I would personally want to see some objective analysis of why he was not successful at Nebraska, and whether those factors could be overcome at Ohio due to the nature of both jobs.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 10:46:42 AM 
Frankly, I'm hoping Tim Albin works out. From what I've learned from some sources, the players love him and he works his ass off -- brutal hours, even to the extent of scrubbing down the weight room in advance of a major recruit visit. Want to see him succeed.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 10:52:21 AM 
I’m still somewhat amazed that Frank ended up with us. Glad he did. McDavis must have really done a sales job. I have little doubt he could have ended up somewhere else had he wanted a higher profile job.
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   Posted: 9/16/2022 10:53:18 AM 
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Frankly, I'm hoping Tim Albin works out. From what I've learned from some sources, the players love him and he works his ass off -- brutal hours, even to the extent of scrubbing down the weight room in advance of a major recruit visit. Want to see him succeed.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 11:10:43 AM 
SBH wrote:
Frankly, I'm hoping Tim Albin works out. From what I've learned from some sources, the players love him and he works his ass off -- brutal hours, even to the extent of scrubbing down the weight room in advance of a major recruit visit. Want to see him succeed.



I think it would be a great story, and I hope so too. And the irony of him bringing us a MAC title after all these years would certainly be something.

I think tomorrow says a lot about this team... if ISU beats us worse than PSU, I'll be really worried about the direction of the program. If we come back, play hard and give ourselves a chance against ISU but still lose, I can still feel pretty good about the overall direction heading into conf season.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 12:19:20 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
Why would you entertain hiring a tire fire?


Because he wasn't always a "tire fire".

Because recruiting is one of the most important pieces, if not THE MOST important piece, of the puzzle.

He struggled at Nebraska, sure. He was also the head coach OF Nebraska. That carries some weight. He also had success at Oregon. While coaching with... our very own, Brian Smith, who worked under Frost as RB's coach.

He also played in the NFL for a number of years.

Was NCAA Coach of the Year in 2017.

At Oregon, Frost was a finalist for the nation's top assistant. As the quarterbacks coach, Marcus Mariota won the Heisman, en route to a berth in the National Championship game. During Frost's three seasons as Oregon's offensive coordinator, the team recorded a 33–8 record and finished every year ranked among the nation's top six in both scoring offense and total offense.

If you're a mid-major team and you have a shot at hiring a 47 year old former Coach of the Year, you have to explore it.



Think we could get him if we offered a long term guaranteed contract? I couldn't see him turning Frank down if Frank called him. At his age, he would be in Athens for 25 years.


I don't know where I would stand on this type of hire. I would personally want to see some objective analysis of why he was not successful at Nebraska, and whether those factors could be overcome at Ohio due to the nature of both jobs.


Since Frank, Nebraska has had SIX Head Coaches AND SIX Athletic Directors.

The most successful coach was Bo Pelini, who was fired for calling the AD a p*ssy.

Do you need a book report on why no one has had success there in nearly three decades? I think it's long become a them problem.

Honestly, I think Frost is the kind of guy, like Frank, who could have long-term success here. He has been to the top of the mountain, he's been to the bottom of the bottom, he knows what it takes to compete - perhaps a second chance is exactly what he needs and maybe in Athens he'll find a home and far less pressure than Sportscenter running your anti-highlights nightly.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 3:46:01 PM 
SBH wrote:
Frankly, I'm hoping Tim Albin works out. From what I've learned from some sources, the players love him and he works his ass off -- brutal hours, even to the extent of scrubbing down the weight room in advance of a major recruit visit. Want to see him succeed.



Not only do we all hope for success in 2022, I'd hate to see a guy who has been as long as Albin end up getting fired. If we go 6-6 this year with a win over an FCS team and 5 wins over 100+ rated FBS teams that's an improvement over last year but how much will Cromer think that's worth?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Scott Frost Fired by Nebraska
   Posted: 9/16/2022 6:05:14 PM 
On ESPN page now...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34603880...

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   Posted: 9/16/2022 6:07:51 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
I’m still somewhat amazed that Frank ended up with us. Glad he did. McDavis must have really done a sales job. I have little doubt he could have ended up somewhere else had he wanted a higher profile job.

Whatever anyone might think about Solich, the one thing he was not, was a job hopper. He was looking for a position where he could coach and try to build something. He found that at Ohio.

What are Frost, and other potential prospects looking for? That's for the AD to figure out, in determining who to hire, if she decides she needs to replace Albin. If you are looking at Nebraska for prospects, you could also consider Mickey Joseph, the temporary head coach. He'll probably be out of work at the end of the season, and he seems to be a talented young coach. Or, there is Mark Whipple, formerly coach at U. Mass. So many options... do you want:
1. A young coach who needs an opportunity?
2. An experienced coach looking for another chance, who is already rich from a prior payout, and thus doesn't need a huge salary?
3. A coach with Ohio ties?
4. Someone from the region?


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