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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/20/2022 11:21:28 PM 
Amazon wants to carry "P" games, which could affect realignment of Pac-12 teams to B12, or even to B10. The streaming service wanted in on the latest B10 contract but was politely told "no." But if they're willing to feature the weaker teams, Dennis Dodd says it could cause B10 to add more Pac-12 teams. More realistically, Amazon's presence could trigger Pac-12 teams joining B12, giving it teams in all four time zones. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/conferenc... /


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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/21/2022 9:12:27 AM 
It's funny they were told "no." Cable and satellite lost subscribers daily. The only thing keeping cable afloat is ESPN and Fox News but eventually those folks will catch on. I'm surprised there aren't more than 18 million homes using television antennas but anything that requires effort isn't going to go over in the us of a. At any rate, eventually almost all sports will be streaming.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/21/2022 10:19:35 AM 
Tymaster wrote:
It's funny they were told "no." Cable and satellite lost subscribers daily. The only thing keeping cable afloat is ESPN and Fox News but eventually those folks will catch on. I'm surprised there aren't more than 18 million homes using television antennas but anything that requires effort isn't going to go over in the us of a. At any rate, eventually almost all sports will be streaming.


You seem to be missing though that those networks have their own streaming services, which will carry those games. So they will reach their subscribers via cable, but also those who watch TV cordless.

Paramount+ which carries CBS has 43.3 million subscribers, and just added 4.3 million last month.

NBC Peacock has over 13 million paid subscribers, and that number is growing as they add premium content.

Last Edited: 9/21/2022 10:45:39 AM by BillyTheCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/21/2022 12:26:52 PM 
I think a lot of people forget that there are still a large contingent of people who live far enough away from established towns and cities that they can't get access to high speed internet/cable so they rely on satellite for TV. My aunt lives in an area of Ohio where even a Verizon hot spot is not a reliable source of internet. Those people won't give up satellite just so they can watch a college football game on Prime.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/21/2022 1:04:57 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
I think a lot of people forget that there are still a large contingent of people who live far enough away from established towns and cities that they can't get access to high speed internet/cable so they rely on satellite for TV. My aunt lives in an area of Ohio where even a Verizon hot spot is not a reliable source of internet. Those people won't give up satellite just so they can watch a college football game on Prime.


That may be true, but the vast majority of people do have options, such as decent internet service. And the problem people in rural areas face is cost; Directv is starting to price itself out of the market in areas that have available options, because they keep raising rates despite losing customers. Even the basic packages without premium services are close to $100 a month, when you add in the price of converter boxes plus taxes and other fees. That's why we dropped DTV.

It's similar to the issue with phone service your aunt and others in rural areas of Ohio, especially southeastern Ohio, face. In many areas the only available provider of phone service is the local landline company because the cable company won't build out and cell companies have terrain issues for coverage. So consumers have to pay what the landline company charges, or do without, which they really can't. And the landline companies keep raising rates on basic landline service so they can keep rates for more competitive services lower. I dealt with those issues for 23 years and it's only gotten worse because the landline companies don't want to invest in infrastructure to improve service to rural areas.


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   Posted: 9/22/2022 7:46:14 AM 
Ive read in the financial press that Amazon and Apple would like to get their hands on the NFL and maybe P5 to do a pay per view model. It goes hand in hand with the increase gambling on games.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 8:05:24 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Tymaster wrote:
It's funny they were told "no." Cable and satellite lost subscribers daily. The only thing keeping cable afloat is ESPN and Fox News but eventually those folks will catch on. I'm surprised there aren't more than 18 million homes using television antennas but anything that requires effort isn't going to go over in the us of a. At any rate, eventually almost all sports will be streaming.


You seem to be missing though that those networks have their own streaming services, which will carry those games. So they will reach their subscribers via cable, but also those who watch TV cordless.

Paramount+ which carries CBS has 43.3 million subscribers, and just added 4.3 million last month.

NBC Peacock has over 13 million paid subscribers, and that number is growing as they add premium content.

Not at all. My point was that it is all headed toward streaming and away from the archaic cable and satellite model. I'd really love to see the MAC go to an over-the-air network like Stadium who also stream but I don't see that happening or being profitable.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 10:25:53 AM 
giacomo wrote:
Ive read in the financial press that Amazon and Apple would like to get their hands on the NFL and maybe P5 to do a pay per view model. It goes hand in hand with the increase gambling on games.


The Thursday night game last week between KC and San Diego was on Amazon and I thought it looked great.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 11:28:36 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Ive read in the financial press that Amazon and Apple would like to get their hands on the NFL and maybe P5 to do a pay per view model. It goes hand in hand with the increase gambling on games.


The Thursday night game last week between KC and San Diego was on Amazon and I thought it looked great.


I've seen people online saying that their stream buffered and froze up and what not. That almost had to be a bad wifi, bad router, poor ISP or Roku issue. It certainly wasn't on Amazon. I watched last week and the preseason game, and it's a pretty impressive presentation. Now, the first time Amazon Prime Video had an "exclusive game," as best as I recall, was the day after Christmas in 2020 and it was buggy, for lack of a better word, but I think they've more than ironed out those issues.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 2:31:11 PM 
Back in the early Covid days when schools went online, I found this map of broadband access in Ohio. As you can see, there are vast areas with little to no coverage.



https://geohio.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 3:02:05 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Back in the early Covid days when schools went online, I found this map of broadband access in Ohio. As you can see, there are vast areas with little to no coverage.



https://geohio.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?...


Thanks, Alan. While this map is generally still accurate, there has been some improvement in the rural areas in Southeastern Ohio since 02/05/20, when the data was last updated.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 3:32:05 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Back in the early Covid days when schools went online, I found this map of broadband access in Ohio. As you can see, there are vast areas with little to no coverage.



https://geohio.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?...


Thanks, Alan. While this map is generally still accurate, there has been some improvement in the rural areas in Southeastern Ohio since 02/05/20, when the data was last updated.


And this is just Ohio. I'd be interested to see what the rural areas of less populous states look like.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 3:43:15 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Back in the early Covid days when schools went online, I found this map of broadband access in Ohio. As you can see, there are vast areas with little to no coverage.



https://geohio.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?...


Thanks, Alan. While this map is generally still accurate, there has been some improvement in the rural areas in Southeastern Ohio since 02/05/20, when the data was last updated.


This map is only a year old. Check out how many places have speeds of 10 or less.

https://broadband.ohio.gov/static/10272021-broadband-avai...

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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/22/2022 4:28:18 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
I think a lot of people forget that there are still a large contingent of people who live far enough away from established towns and cities that they can't get access to high speed internet/cable so they rely on satellite for TV. My aunt lives in an area of Ohio where even a Verizon hot spot is not a reliable source of internet. Those people won't give up satellite just so they can watch a college football game on Prime.


That may be true, but the vast majority of people do have options, such as decent internet service. And the problem people in rural areas face is cost; Directv is starting to price itself out of the market in areas that have available options, because they keep raising rates despite losing customers. Even the basic packages without premium services are close to $100 a month, when you add in the price of converter boxes plus taxes and other fees. That's why we dropped DTV.

It's similar to the issue with phone service your aunt and others in rural areas of Ohio, especially southeastern Ohio, face. In many areas the only available provider of phone service is the local landline company because the cable company won't build out and cell companies have terrain issues for coverage. So consumers have to pay what the landline company charges, or do without, which they really can't. And the landline companies keep raising rates on basic landline service so they can keep rates for more competitive services lower. I dealt with those issues for 23 years and it's only gotten worse because the landline companies don't want to invest in infrastructure to improve service to rural areas.

Increasingly I know people who are leaving cable and satellite behind, and relying on their cell phones for everything. With 5G, the phone can be used as a hot spot, and has a theoretical peak data rate of 20Gbs, but in the real world will be more like 100-400Mbs. For HD Streaming, you need at least 50 Mbps.
Here are some comparative speeds:
Fiberoptic link: 500-2300 Mbps
5G Cellular: ~100-500 Mbps
Cable: 300Mbps
Satellite: 12-100 Mbps
ADSL2: 24 Mbps
4G LTE Cellular: ~20 Mbps
3G Cellular: ~4 Mbps

These are just rough numbers, and not perfect. There is a lot of conflicting information out there. Clearly, though, using a cell connection wasn't going to cut it prior to 5G. 4G LTE was barely passable for light streaming, but with 5G, a cellular connection is about as fast as a cable connection. Just as cellular killed the landline business, it may kill cable. Using your cell phone as your internet may sound strange, but it may well be the future.

But, do people in rural areas have 5g? That varies, but the number of people will access to 5G is growing all the time. According to this site, 93.51% of the homes in Ohio have access to 5G:
https://bestneighborhood.org/mobile-and-cell-ohio /

Last Edited: 9/22/2022 4:31:53 PM by L.C.


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   Posted: 9/22/2022 5:52:50 PM 
Alan, if you look at the underlying dataset from the FCC, it says last updated 02/05/20. And, to L.C.s point, T-Mobile has recently increased 5G coverage in Athens County and other rural areas by their conversion of former Sprint towers to their new 5G network. The conversation was suppose to be finished by now, but I think there are still a few towers in our area that have yet to be converted from Sprint CDMA to 5G GSM. I think L.C. may be right that for rural areas 5G may be the wave of the future, as well as for many urban areas as well. BTW, Im typing this on my cellphone in a rural area of Athens County using T-Mobile 5G while sitting in car on the side of the road.


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   Posted: 9/22/2022 8:47:36 PM 
The thing is, most people pay $50/month for a cell phone. If that cell phone can provide a fast internet connection, should they pay another $80/month for an additional ISP connection? For some people, there are reasons to have both, but for others, there is no reason not to just use the cell as their internet.


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   Posted: 9/23/2022 8:54:58 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Back in the early Covid days when schools went online, I found this map of broadband access in Ohio. As you can see, there are vast areas with little to no coverage.



https://geohio.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?...


Thanks, Alan. While this map is generally still accurate, there has been some improvement in the rural areas in Southeastern Ohio since 02/05/20, when the data was last updated.


Some improvement is like saying hey, the minimum wage went up to $7.25
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   Posted: 9/23/2022 8:57:44 AM 
L.C. wrote:
The thing is, most people pay $50/month for a cell phone. If that cell phone can provide a fast internet connection, should they pay another $80/month for an additional ISP connection? For some people, there are reasons to have both, but for others, there is no reason not to just use the cell as their internet.


problem is, for my $65 a month with Spectrum cellular (very satisfied by the way), does not even begin to handle my streaming load.
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   Posted: 9/23/2022 9:33:22 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
The thing is, most people pay $50/month for a cell phone. If that cell phone can provide a fast internet connection, should they pay another $80/month for an additional ISP connection? For some people, there are reasons to have both, but for others, there is no reason not to just use the cell as their internet.


problem is, for my $65 a month with Spectrum cellular (very satisfied by the way), does not even begin to handle my streaming load.

Then it doesn't make sense for you, at least, today. But, it already does for some people, and as cellular speeds keep getting faster, it will make sense for more and more people. That, in turn, will slow the build-out for fiberoptic cable to rural areas, or may even halt it. It is much cheaper and faster to build more cell towers than it is to run a cable to every door.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Amazon and conference realignment
   Posted: 9/23/2022 10:42:41 AM 
My dad lives in eastern Kentucky and doesn't have access high speed cable internet or DSL, but his AT&T 5G signal is good enough that he can cast a tablet to his TV and watch HD content that way. Some months he goes through a TB of streaming and hasn't been throttled yet.

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   Posted: 9/24/2022 12:44:34 AM 
I notice on many of the commercials that 5G cell coverage is missing for most of Nebraska. If you scroll down through this article from June 2021 to the coverage maps you'll see what I mean: https://www.pcmag.com/news/t-mobile-marks-5g-milestones-p... . I don't know if its because the Strategic Air Command still has bases and missile silos there or what. And of course the cell companies' websites always have disclaimers about their maps not being truly representative of coverage because of terrain and other things. I'm not sure 5G is actually needed to stream video, but I think it's probably a big help.

The FCC and the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) are working on up-to-date broadband maps. They expect to have a draft out in November.


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   Posted: 9/24/2022 11:29:20 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
I notice on many of the commercials that 5G cell coverage is missing for most of Nebraska. ...

One problem is that you are looking at a T-Mobile map. The sandhills (North of I-80, west of Grand Island) is particularly sparsely populated, perhaps 1 person per 4 square miles in some parts. Only one carrier has service out there at all, that being Verizon, who bought a local carrier that had already built out coverage for the entire state. Here's a Verizon map:
https://www.verizon.com/coverage-map /


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