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Bobcats1212
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  Message Not Read  Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/21/2022 4:41:23 PM 
Should we give Tim Albin a contract extension or wait and see how he does over the final 2 years. I personally think we should wait unless we win a Mac championship this year.
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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/21/2022 6:00:25 PM 
Bobcats1212 wrote:
Should we give Tim Albin a contract extension or wait and see how he does over the final 2 years. I personally think we should wait unless we win a Mac championship this year.


You at least need to guarantee the money aspect of the last two years.
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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/21/2022 7:24:50 PM 
Bobcats1212 wrote:
Should we give Tim Albin a contract extension or wait and see how he does over the final 2 years. I personally think we should wait unless we win a Mac championship this year.


This is how teams get caught with their pants down. Especially at this level.

Zero upside to an extension. You're not buying loyalty. You're rarely even buying time.

We pay him $5M and he goes 0-12 next season, we're stuck.

We pay him $5M and Nebraska calls, he leaves anyway.

Last Edited: 11/21/2022 7:25:13 PM by M.D.W.S.T

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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/21/2022 10:50:29 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcats1212 wrote:
Should we give Tim Albin a contract extension or wait and see how he does over the final 2 years. I personally think we should wait unless we win a Mac championship this year.


This is how teams get caught with their pants down. Especially at this level.

Zero upside to an extension. You're not buying loyalty. You're rarely even buying time.

We pay him $5M and he goes 0-12 next season, we're stuck.

We pay him $5M and Nebraska calls, he leaves anyway.


Or you guarantee the rest of his contract. That should be the least that OHIO Athletics should do, if not give an automatic rollover of 1 year like Frank had. But IMO, hes earned the guarantee on his last two years and maybe a good pork chop to go with them.
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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 8:37:57 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcats1212 wrote:
Should we give Tim Albin a contract extension or wait and see how he does over the final 2 years. I personally think we should wait unless we win a Mac championship this year.


This is how teams get caught with their pants down. Especially at this level.

Zero upside to an extension. You're not buying loyalty. You're rarely even buying time.

We pay him $5M and he goes 0-12 next season, we're stuck.

We pay him $5M and Nebraska calls, he leaves anyway.


Or you guarantee the rest of his contract. That should be the least that OHIO Athletics should do, if not give an automatic rollover of 1 year like Frank had. But IMO, hes earned the guarantee on his last two years and maybe a good pork chop to go with them.


I think they can and probably will guarantee the rest of TA's contract. Rev-visit next season. "Extensions" are for the papers.

I hope they lock in Brian Smith for as long as possible, though with what he's done on offense in one season as passing coordinator AND with a freshman RB and injuries causing spit and glue in the running game...

I like Izzy as much as the next guy, but we can't lose Brian. After all the places he's been, and everything he has done, I don't think it's any coincidence Rourke is putting up these numbers.

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shabamon
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 8:59:54 AM 
Guarantee the rest of the contract. Extension talk after 2023.
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Ohio69
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 9:21:28 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcats1212 wrote:
Should we give Tim Albin a contract extension or wait and see how he does over the final 2 years. I personally think we should wait unless we win a Mac championship this year.


This is how teams get caught with their pants down. Especially at this level.

Zero upside to an extension. You're not buying loyalty. You're rarely even buying time.

We pay him $5M and he goes 0-12 next season, we're stuck.

We pay him $5M and Nebraska calls, he leaves anyway.



Nobody is getting paid $5m. And, nobody is getting caught/surprised. Everyone knows how this works. You guarantee the contract and/or have some sort of buyout. They can leave. You can fire them. Buyouts happen both ways. Whatever. That's just part of athletics.

We should extend the contract several more years with an appropriate buy-outs (MAC Conference as benchmark) if he leaves or if we fire him.




Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 9:38:46 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
... Everyone knows how this works. You guarantee the contract and/or have some sort of buyout. They can leave. You can fire them. Buyouts happen both ways. Whatever. That's just part of athletics.

We should extend the contract several more years with an appropriate buy-outs (MAC Conference as benchmark) if he leaves or if we fire him.


Exactly. You go for a win-win deal. A win for Ohio would be:
1. If Albin loses, they can fire him with with a prescheduled buyout amount
2. If Albin wins, the amount that they have to pay him goes up at a predetermined rate, and with bonuses for certain achievements
3. If Albin wins so much that some P5 school makes him an offer he can't refuse, Ohio gets a buyout to compensate them for their loss, and pay for a new coaching search

A win for Albin would be:
1. He has a contract guarantee for some set number of years
2. He has a guaranteed buyout if he ever gets fired
3. His option to move up is only restricted by a contract buyout
4. For a wide variety of accomplishments, he has bonuses he can earn

Then, after that, Albin wins, gets treated fairly, and everyone lives happily ever after. The contract rolls over every year, Albin stays for the rest of his coaching career and wins many MAC Championships. ;)

Last Edited: 11/22/2022 9:42:32 AM by L.C.


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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 9:53:10 AM 
Someone once posted his contract on this site. Could someone find that? I feel like if we didn't opt out this December/January time, that automatically guaranteed the next two years. Am I mistaken?
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GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 9:59:38 AM 
Just avoid a Dino Babers/Syracuse situation. That's all you have to do.
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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 11:02:50 AM 
Regarding Albin, I received an email from a poster who was permanently banned from bobcatattack, and feels like his ban was not justified:

I was wrong. Between coaching, experience on both sides of the ball (espec O-line), fine receivers who make catches, Rourke's development, and the rest of the MAC appearing to be horrible, I think that we beat BG, whether Rourke is healthy or not, and take the MAC title.

Note, that I have always admitted when I am wrong, unlike the SFB (Solich Football Bunch).

I understand that one can't much control for who recruited the players, the quality or experience of the players and the opposition, etc. But ya takes what ya gets and Albin has it going this year. Better than the MAC oppo game after game in a distinct way not seen for many, many years.

Albin winning a title in his second year would prove those who doubted Solich correct, would prove that it would take change to get a MACC.


We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak. ― Epictetus

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Victory
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 11:16:30 AM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Someone once posted his contract on this site. Could someone find that? I feel like if we didn't opt out this December/January time, that automatically guaranteed the next two years. Am I mistaken?


I was thinking this was the case too. Either we let him go in December 2022 at almost no cost or we would bear the whole one year buyout for 2024 if we let him go in December 2023 so I was not exactly sure to what the potential additional guarantee some were mentioning might be.
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 11:17:04 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Regarding Albin, I received an email from a poster who was permanently banned from bobcatattack, and feels like his ban was not justified:

I was wrong. Between coaching, experience on both sides of the ball (espec O-line), fine receivers who make catches, Rourke's development, and the rest of the MAC appearing to be horrible, I think that we beat BG, whether Rourke is healthy or not, and take the MAC title.

Note, that I have always admitted when I am wrong, unlike the SFB (Solich Football Bunch).

I understand that one can't much control for who recruited the players, the quality or experience of the players and the opposition, etc. But ya takes what ya gets and Albin has it going this year. Better than the MAC oppo game after game in a distinct way not seen for many, many years.

Albin winning a title in his second year would prove those who doubted Solich correct, would prove that it would take change to get a MACC.


The same poster asked me to post the following:

"And, you owe me this one. In one of your posts some weeks back, you referred to me as a 'former poster.' That is not a fair description. Please correct that to 'a poster who was permanently banned from bobcatattack without a single word quoted from his posts in support of the ban, so banned without any evidence at all.'"


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Victory
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension (NT)
   Posted: 11/22/2022 11:23:57 AM 

Last Edited: 11/22/2022 11:25:04 AM by Victory

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 11:24:23 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Regarding Albin, I received an email from a poster who was permanently banned from bobcatattack, and feels like his ban was not justified:

I was wrong. Between coaching, experience on both sides of the ball (espec O-line), fine receivers who make catches, Rourke's development, and the rest of the MAC appearing to be horrible, I think that we beat BG, whether Rourke is healthy or not, and take the MAC title.

Note, that I have always admitted when I am wrong, unlike the SFB (Solich Football Bunch).

I understand that one can't much control for who recruited the players, the quality or experience of the players and the opposition, etc. But ya takes what ya gets and Albin has it going this year. Better than the MAC oppo game after game in a distinct way not seen for many, many years.

Albin winning a title in his second year would prove those who doubted Solich correct, would prove that it would take change to get a MACC.


The same poster asked me to post the following:

"And, you owe me this one. In one of your posts some weeks back, you referred to me as a 'former poster.' That is not a fair description. Please correct that to 'a poster who was permanently banned from bobcatattack without a single word quoted from his posts in support of the ban, so banned without any evidence at all.'"



Its been a couple of years, but my memory is that he was banned for being an abusive, repetitive, bully (several other, decidedly more negative adjectives, could also be used)? If we're thinking of the same person, I'm sure ample evidence of this behavior could be produced.
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cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 12:18:54 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Regarding Albin, I received an email from a poster who was permanently banned from bobcatattack, and feels like his ban was not justified:

I was wrong. Between coaching, experience on both sides of the ball (espec O-line), fine receivers who make catches, Rourke's development, and the rest of the MAC appearing to be horrible, I think that we beat BG, whether Rourke is healthy or not, and take the MAC title.

Note, that I have always admitted when I am wrong, unlike the SFB (Solich Football Bunch).

I understand that one can't much control for who recruited the players, the quality or experience of the players and the opposition, etc. But ya takes what ya gets and Albin has it going this year. Better than the MAC oppo game after game in a distinct way not seen for many, many years.

Albin winning a title in his second year would prove those who doubted Solich correct, would prove that it would take change to get a MACC.


The same poster asked me to post the following:

"And, you owe me this one. In one of your posts some weeks back, you referred to me as a 'former poster.' That is not a fair description. Please correct that to 'a poster who was permanently banned from bobcatattack without a single word quoted from his posts in support of the ban, so banned without any evidence at all.'"



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El Gato Roberto
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Albin Extension
   Posted: 11/22/2022 1:21:48 PM 
Sign him. Keep the legacy going.


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