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  Message Not Read  Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 10:50:22 AM 
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 12:29:25 PM 
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.


I doubt that he accepts the offer. He has strong roots now in Athens. I'm one of the few on this board old enough to remember when Bill Hess publicly turned down an offer from Pittsburgh. It had us all on pins and needles for several days until the story broke on the wires that he had decided to stay put.

I don't know Albin personally, but I have friends who do, and they tell me he is really committed to this program and has no plans to go elsewhere. That, of course, could change, but this is not the young "up and commer" who leaves an assistant coach position at a highly regarded P5 program to take a G5 program to new heights and then skips town at the first P5 HC offer. The dynamics here are just a lot different.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 12:32:29 PM 
It would be an unwise move for both parties.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 12:43:05 PM 
I brought up the notion a month ago that Ohio could lose either its coach or members of the coaching staff if it kept on winning and people here thought I was nuts (well, I am but for other reasons).

Any coach that turns around a team like Coach Albin has will be sought after by somebody. I don't think he'd leave as he's obviously rooted in the community but it's certainly possible. Whatever happens, I wish him continued success wherever he is.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 1:00:29 PM 
I don't think he would leave either. However, the compensation level for Nebraska (likely $4-5 million per) would be life altering. I think he would have to listen to them and think about it. His current contract is nice, but if he were fired in two years he might have to look for an assistant coaching gig to get to retirement. If he would flame out at Nebraska he could always console himself for the rest of his life at his primary home or at his beach house.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 1:03:11 PM 
I am not convinced Nebraska would ultimately pull the trigger here. Makes sense they would take a look at him, but ultimately I think the powers that be will want a smooth talking up and comer.

We may just get lucky 2 times in a row with a moonlighting loyal head coach for a decade or 2. If Albin is the real deal and keeps things competitive, we may be looking at 30 years with 2 coaches and effectively one regime. Absolutely insane to even fathom in today's coaching carousel world. I love the stability.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 1:05:12 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
I brought up the notion a month ago that Ohio could lose either its coach or members of the coaching staff if it kept on winning and people here thought I was nuts (well, I am but for other reasons).

Any coach that turns around a team like Coach Albin has will be sought after by somebody. I don't think he'd leave as he's obviously rooted in the community but it's certainly possible. Whatever happens, I wish him continued success wherever he is.


Remember, the turn-around wasn't from a previous coach's lousy administration. It from was his own. He was at the helm for Ohio's first losing season in 13 years, so this might not be a "turn-around" in the eyes of other programs' ADs. The problem with him leaving would be that he would likely take many of the people responsible for this year's success, including the OC, the DC and several star players. If he leaves let's hope he doesn't leave the cupboard too bare for the next guy.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 1:18:26 PM 
Nebraska alums tell me - not a chance. Scott Frost 2.0

Like Frost he would have had one poor/average year and one breakout year at a group of 5. Won't repeat the same journey.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 2:15:04 PM 
No way I see Nebraska (read boosters) offering TA because of 7 games.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 2:56:56 PM 
Pataskala wrote:

Remember, the turn-around wasn't from a previous coach's lousy administration. It from was his own. He was at the helm for Ohio's first losing season in 13 years, so this might not be a "turn-around" in the eyes of other programs' ADs. The problem with him leaving would be that he would likely take many of the people responsible for this year's success, including the OC, the DC and several star players. If he leaves let's hope he doesn't leave the cupboard too bare for the next guy.


This. When we were talking about the possibility of him leaving a month ago it seemed a little far fetched. Not so much now. But I thought after a three win season that was the first losing season since 2008 he'd have to run the table to get on AD's radars. He's 57, unknown, at least right now, to nearly all fans outside the MAC, and not exactly charismatic in front of the camera. I don't think this is the big splash hire that Nebraska's boosters are demanding.

From what I read on Nebraska boards, the University, after getting burned with so many buyouts, wants to offer less guaranteed money and big incentives for wins. Supposedly, they aren't thinking that the Nebraska brand is going to get them the coaches the originally sought with that kind of structure. The may have to settle for a lesser name. Who knows? Maybe in the end it could be Albin.

I still feel like we probably won't lose him this year. If we have another 9 or 10 win season next year then that's very different.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 3:11:44 PM 
Source tells me Nebraska’s fanbase would storm the AD’s office if they hired a coach who won three games one season ago.

The source is my brain.

Last Edited: 11/23/2022 3:12:16 PM by .

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 3:22:22 PM 
I think Bobcatblitz is jumping on the Twitter train of announcing coaching changes before they happen or even are in a realm of possibility.

This also just in: my dog puked on the rug, but she's not confirming or denying the move. She wants to wait and play out the rest of the season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 3:55:35 PM 
Just occured to me that if this happened, we could get Scott Frost, and maybe most of his staff. Another Nebraska-Ohio trade. You remember some said that Solich was the "player to be named later" when we sent Nee to Nebraska.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 4:28:22 PM 
there is no question nebraska would rather have albin than rhule

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 10:42:59 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.


I doubt that he accepts the offer. He has strong roots now in Athens. I'm one of the few on this board old enough to remember when Bill Hess publicly turned down an offer from Pittsburgh. It had us all on pins and needles for several days until the story broke on the wires that he had decided to stay put.

I don't know Albin personally, but I have friends who do, and they tell me he is really committed to this program and has no plans to go elsewhere. That, of course, could change, but this is not the young "up and commer" who leaves an assistant coach position at a highly regarded P5 program to take a G5 program to new heights and then skips town at the first P5 HC offer. The dynamics here are just a lot different.


Oh, I agree, the average Big10 salary is $4.9 million, what's Tim making? He would be an absolute fool to give up OHIO'a money for $4.9 million. I mean at his current salary, it would take 9 years to make up one year at Nebraska (or anywhere else) with that kind of money. Aint a person on this board, who would not jump at that!!!!

And sorry, Bill Hess didn't ever get that kind of money or opportunity.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 11:33:22 PM 
When I first read this thread, I though it was the latest April Fools joke I had ever read. First of all, we know this Nebraska thing would never happen. Angry Nebraska fans might do irrational things if Coach Albin were hired. They simply wouldn't stand for Scott Frost 1.5.

Secondly, if lighting did strike, Coach Albin would make more money in his four year contract than he could ever hope to make in Athens if stayed another 17 years. He would take the money, even if he would get fired after two years, because he would never have to work again.

Last Edited: 11/23/2022 11:35:01 PM by cbus cat fan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/23/2022 11:45:03 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.


I doubt that he accepts the offer. He has strong roots now in Athens. I'm one of the few on this board old enough to remember when Bill Hess publicly turned down an offer from Pittsburgh. It had us all on pins and needles for several days until the story broke on the wires that he had decided to stay put.

I don't know Albin personally, but I have friends who do, and they tell me he is really committed to this program and has no plans to go elsewhere. That, of course, could change, but this is not the young "up and commer" who leaves an assistant coach position at a highly regarded P5 program to take a G5 program to new heights and then skips town at the first P5 HC offer. The dynamics here are just a lot different.


Oh, I agree, the average Big10 salary is $4.9 million, what's Tim making? He would be an absolute fool to give up OHIO'a money for $4.9 million. I mean at his current salary, it would take 9 years to make up one year at Nebraska (or anywhere else) with that kind of money. Aint a person on this board, who would not jump at that!!!!

And sorry, Bill Hess didn't ever get that kind of money or opportunity.


I’m sure Hess’ offer from Pitt would have at least doubled or tripled his OHIO salary. My only point is that becoming rich is not everyone’s top priority, despite the pecuniary nature of modern society. Many succumb to outright greed, which is considered the “smart” thing to do in our increasingly egocentric world. Most in our culture today buy into that mentality, but it’s not everyone.

Last Edited: 11/23/2022 11:49:49 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 7:02:15 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.


I doubt that he accepts the offer. He has strong roots now in Athens. I'm one of the few on this board old enough to remember when Bill Hess publicly turned down an offer from Pittsburgh. It had us all on pins and needles for several days until the story broke on the wires that he had decided to stay put.

I don't know Albin personally, but I have friends who do, and they tell me he is really committed to this program and has no plans to go elsewhere. That, of course, could change, but this is not the young "up and commer" who leaves an assistant coach position at a highly regarded P5 program to take a G5 program to new heights and then skips town at the first P5 HC offer. The dynamics here are just a lot different.


Oh, I agree, the average Big10 salary is $4.9 million, what's Tim making? He would be an absolute fool to give up OHIO'a money for $4.9 million. I mean at his current salary, it would take 9 years to make up one year at Nebraska (or anywhere else) with that kind of money. Aint a person on this board, who would not jump at that!!!!

And sorry, Bill Hess didn't ever get that kind of money or opportunity.


I’m sure Hess’ offer from Pitt would have at least doubled or tripled his OHIO salary. My only point is that becoming rich is not everyone’s top priority, despite the pecuniary nature of modern society. Many succumb to outright greed, which is considered the “smart” thing to do in our increasingly egocentric world. Most in our culture today buy into that mentality, but it’s not everyone.


Back in the 1980s I received an offer from Texas Instruments that would have doubled my salary. But it would have meant moving to Fort Worth. That was an easy No Thanks. Have a VERY happy Thanksgiving, Carl.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 9:08:58 AM 
If the offer came, most people would probably take it, but not everyone. There is value in grabbing $5 million dollar for a few year's work, but going that route can involve job hopping every few years, building a new staff, learning new players, constant stress, vitriol from disappointed fans who are paying the $5 mil, etc. The other route, staying in a secure, but lower paying job can have benefits, too, such as security, ability to stay in the same place, standing in the community, and the ability to work with the same people year after year.

As an example, don't forget that while Nebraska may be a bigger fish than Ohio in this sense, it's never been the biggest fish. Tom Osborne got a few offers over the years to move to schools with bigger budgets than Nebraska, or to the NFL, and they were much larger than Nebraska was paying him, but he was content with his situation, and elected to stay in one place his entire career, though he did seriously consider at least one of them. Nebraska was never able to match those other offers, but they did try to increase his salary as much as they could afford, but he routinely requested that raises should go to his assistants instead, as he valued stability. One reason that his "coaching tree" is so narrow is that he had amazingly little staff turnover over the years.

I don't know Tim Albin, and I have no idea what his long term goals are, nor the kind of things that make him happy. We'll just have to wait and see what develops. In the meantime, if offers come to him (and if he keeps winning, they will), the best that can be done to keep him are for the Athens community to make sure he feels welcome and appreciated, and for the AD to make it clear they value him, and that while they can't match the offers, they will make sure his staff is one of the best paid in the MAC


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 9:18:01 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.


I doubt that he accepts the offer. He has strong roots now in Athens. I'm one of the few on this board old enough to remember when Bill Hess publicly turned down an offer from Pittsburgh. It had us all on pins and needles for several days until the story broke on the wires that he had decided to stay put.

I don't know Albin personally, but I have friends who do, and they tell me he is really committed to this program and has no plans to go elsewhere. That, of course, could change, but this is not the young "up and commer" who leaves an assistant coach position at a highly regarded P5 program to take a G5 program to new heights and then skips town at the first P5 HC offer. The dynamics here are just a lot different.


Oh, I agree, the average Big10 salary is $4.9 million, what's Tim making? He would be an absolute fool to give up OHIO'a money for $4.9 million. I mean at his current salary, it would take 9 years to make up one year at Nebraska (or anywhere else) with that kind of money. Aint a person on this board, who would not jump at that!!!!

And sorry, Bill Hess didn't ever get that kind of money or opportunity.


I’m sure Hess’ offer from Pitt would have at least doubled or tripled his OHIO salary. My only point is that becoming rich is not everyone’s top priority, despite the pecuniary nature of modern society. Many succumb to outright greed, which is considered the “smart” thing to do in our increasingly egocentric world. Most in our culture today buy into that mentality, but it’s not everyone.


What from 10k to 20k or 30k?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 9:18:40 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.


I doubt that he accepts the offer. He has strong roots now in Athens. I'm one of the few on this board old enough to remember when Bill Hess publicly turned down an offer from Pittsburgh. It had us all on pins and needles for several days until the story broke on the wires that he had decided to stay put.

I don't know Albin personally, but I have friends who do, and they tell me he is really committed to this program and has no plans to go elsewhere. That, of course, could change, but this is not the young "up and commer" who leaves an assistant coach position at a highly regarded P5 program to take a G5 program to new heights and then skips town at the first P5 HC offer. The dynamics here are just a lot different.


Oh, I agree, the average Big10 salary is $4.9 million, what's Tim making? He would be an absolute fool to give up OHIO'a money for $4.9 million. I mean at his current salary, it would take 9 years to make up one year at Nebraska (or anywhere else) with that kind of money. Aint a person on this board, who would not jump at that!!!!

And sorry, Bill Hess didn't ever get that kind of money or opportunity.


I’m sure Hess’ offer from Pitt would have at least doubled or tripled his OHIO salary. My only point is that becoming rich is not everyone’s top priority, despite the pecuniary nature of modern society. Many succumb to outright greed, which is considered the “smart” thing to do in our increasingly egocentric world. Most in our culture today buy into that mentality, but it’s not everyone.


Back in the 1980s I received an offer from Texas Instruments that would have doubled my salary. But it would have meant moving to Fort Worth. That was an easy No Thanks. Have a VERY happy Thanksgiving, Carl.


Should have told them to make it a telework job...:)


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 9:33:18 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
No way I see Nebraska (read boosters) offering TA because of 7 games.


Success that can be attributed to COVID year players and a MAC that is having a down year. Track record as a long time OC is strong as he put up 40 points per game in a few years and architected the offensive turn around in the program. Nebraska could get him on the cheap (4.9 million) instead of pulling an Auburn and paying a coach that was making 7.5 million now 10 million+ in hopes of finding the next Saban.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 10:04:19 AM 
Campus Flow wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
A Fbs College Coaching Insider tells me if he wins it he's The TOP CANDIDATE..

Good for The Albin Family good & bad for Ohio Football.


I doubt that he accepts the offer. He has strong roots now in Athens. I'm one of the few on this board old enough to remember when Bill Hess publicly turned down an offer from Pittsburgh. It had us all on pins and needles for several days until the story broke on the wires that he had decided to stay put.

I don't know Albin personally, but I have friends who do, and they tell me he is really committed to this program and has no plans to go elsewhere. That, of course, could change, but this is not the young "up and commer" who leaves an assistant coach position at a highly regarded P5 program to take a G5 program to new heights and then skips town at the first P5 HC offer. The dynamics here are just a lot different.


Oh, I agree, the average Big10 salary is $4.9 million, what's Tim making? He would be an absolute fool to give up OHIO'a money for $4.9 million. I mean at his current salary, it would take 9 years to make up one year at Nebraska (or anywhere else) with that kind of money. Aint a person on this board, who would not jump at that!!!!

And sorry, Bill Hess didn't ever get that kind of money or opportunity.


I’m sure Hess’ offer from Pitt would have at least doubled or tripled his OHIO salary. My only point is that becoming rich is not everyone’s top priority, despite the pecuniary nature of modern society. Many succumb to outright greed, which is considered the “smart” thing to do in our increasingly egocentric world. Most in our culture today buy into that mentality, but it’s not everyone.


What from 10k to 20k or 30k?


I talked to Bill Hess’s son (Tom?) once and he told me his dad never made more than 30K per year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 1:01:57 PM 
Campus Flow wrote:
.. a MAC that is having a down year....

For some reason, people have a natural instinct to diminish achievements. Let's look at some data, and see if the MAC is actually having a down year. I looked at Sagarin ratings, not because they are perfect, but because they are readily available. Here is the average rating for the MAC since 2016, skipping the Covid year when there was not enough data:

MAC Average:
2016 59.14
2017 57.72
2018 59.89
2019 57.84
2021 61.41
2022 60.81

2022 was the second strongest MAC overall.

What about the MAC East?
2016 53.95
2017 56.11
2018 59.47
2019 56.11
2021 56.27
2022 60.16

This was by far the strongest MAC East in many years.

So, no, this was not an unusually weak MAC. In fact it was an unusually strong MAC, overall. So, if "weak" is an incorrect adjective, what adjective accurately describes this year's MAC. Let's look at the standard deviation:
2016 10.14
2017 10.4
2018 8.2
2019 9.77
2021 7.87
2022 5.02

Let's also look at the range, the difference between the highest ranked team and the lowest:
2016 37.38
2017 36.63
2018 23.47
2019 33.94
2021 26.04
2022 19.88

This was the most BALANCED MAC in a very long time. With the exception of Akron, all teams were between 57.25 (BG) and 68.49 (Ohio). That is close enough that any team could have beaten any other team on any given week, which is precisely why every other MAC team other than Ohio has at least 2 MAC losses, and when it all over, it is not impossible that they will all have at least 3 losses, which would happen if Buffalo loses to Kent and Toledo loses to WMU.

Rather than diminishing the achievement, for Ohio to dominate a balance conference shows what a great achievement it was. Ohio kept their focus each and every game, and they had a will to win. That is precisely what ExCat21 pointed out about them when he compared them to the 2006 team.

Congratulations, Bobcats, on a job well done. Beat Toledo.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Tim Albin To Nebraska
   Posted: 11/24/2022 2:08:11 PM 
L.C. good stats and I agree the MAC is better than what fans on here like to give it credit for. Monroe was famous for calling it the worst collegiate conference in America. There is a source however that when viewing not only the Sagarin but 100 published polls the MAC is on average last in the G5 this season.

https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

G5 Average Rankings
AAC 67.49
SBC 79.98
MWC 92.26
CUSA 95.15
MAC 99.91

With the MAC not having any teams in the AP Top 25 and rated last many observers will view this as a down MAC year. There are some positives as you pointed out in the numbers. MAC I don't recall having ever been this close in strength to the MWC. The MAC is usually above CUSA and in the future they are brining in FCS schools that will lower their average. AAC is losing two of its three best (Cincy, UCF, Tulane) for next season.

In the future the MAC should be closer to the top of the G5 than 32 spots behind the AAC. If the Big Ten grows stronger in the future and becomes the number 1 conference that will help out the MAC. If the PAC-12 declines that will hurt the MWC. SBC will be hurt by having to compete with recruits against new FCS upgrades.

Last Edited: 11/24/2022 2:14:53 PM by Campus Flow


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