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   Posted: 2/7/2023 12:19:01 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
The point is that the University shared information they had about when Homecoming is. People want to make plans, especially if they have any hope regarding getting a hotel that weekend. Opponents probably won't be announced until Christmas. If they held this info waiting for an opponent, the other side would complain about that.


If all this is true than it's the MAC that is stupid beyond words. So, we pick a date without knowning the opponent and then the MAC gets to shaft us by giving us CMU or whoever again for Homecoming? Does any other conference work like this? Where is LeaveMACnow when we need him? ;-)


The MAC does NOT pick Homecoming, The University can request certain dates or situations in the schedule. It's the University suits that pick homecoming and special days, not even Atheltics get to pick.
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   Posted: 2/7/2023 1:33:26 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
my personal experience is there is considerable dialogue between the schools and conference. so it’s not like we get an email one day unveiling the schedule. we have three options that day (western is not that day. they will be at miss state). all three offer a good storyline. central is a tough history (but not played them much recently) let’s overcome it. kent is the revenge game and miami is miami. that game is generally not sought for homecoming. too good of a gate to use up at homecoming. so guessing central or kent. either works. i’m just pleased that ohio is no longer the sought out homecoming game for opponents like we were back in my days on campus.


Can you say whether we indicate a preference to when our home games with Miami take place? Saturdays vs November weeknights. I can see both sides as putting Miami on a weeknight could boost what would otherwise be a thin turnout. I'm on the side that it's better for the rivalry and conference to put all major rivalries on Saturdays.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2023 Schedule
   Posted: 2/7/2023 9:48:08 PM 
One of my first thoughts after signing that money game at San Diego State was they were close to joining the PAC-12 so it made it more legit than money game at a Mountain West team. Report here is SDSU and SMU are about to punch their tickets to the PAC-12.

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/162312708561823...


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   Posted: 2/7/2023 10:30:01 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
The point is that the University shared information they had about when Homecoming is. People want to make plans, especially if they have any hope regarding getting a hotel that weekend. Opponents probably won't be announced until Christmas. If they held this info waiting for an opponent, the other side would complain about that.


If all this is true than it's the MAC that is stupid beyond words. So, we pick a date without knowning the opponent and then the MAC gets to shaft us by giving us CMU or whoever again for Homecoming? Does any other conference work like this? Where is LeaveMACnow when we need him? ;-)


The MAC does NOT pick Homecoming, The University can request certain dates or situations in the schedule. It's the University suits that pick homecoming and special days, not even Atheltics get to pick.


OK, then we are back to my first assumption, we are stupid. It's one or the other, or we would have an entirely different lineup of teams for our Homecoming games in this century.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2023 Schedule
   Posted: 2/8/2023 1:23:41 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Can you say whether we indicate a preference to when our home games with Miami take place? Saturdays vs November weeknights. I can see both sides as putting Miami on a weeknight could boost what would otherwise be a thin turnout. I'm on the side that it's better for the rivalry and conference to put all major rivalries on Saturdays.


That I don't know. I can tell you that the hospitality folks in town would rather it be on a weekend - and I'm sure they have told the university so. Not because the hotels are dead empty on weekdays (they do pretty well with general business travelers) but because they lose a full-house weekend (and ticket sales are obviously better on weekends as well). My gut tells me that playing Miami on a weekday is more of a conference and ESPN decision/dictate - Since the TV deal was extended beyond 2017 - every Miami game has been a weekday game on ESPN - that doesn't sound like a coincidence. Hopefully they throw a weekend bone to us occasionally.

on the broader discussion beyond your question...

As BTC mentioned, the decision for homecoming is made outside the athletic department (to be honest, the football program doesn't care who they play), and includes input from the community (business and civic). As a point of reference, the town I help promote has a very large festival the same weekend each October. There is a standing request from the local university to their conference to not have a home game that day (and we would never have homecoming that same weekend) - simply no hotel rooms left for alumni and fans due to the festival goers. That request has been honored every year.

As anyone involved can attest, there is a great deal of planning that goes into a homecoming weekend (Ohio generally calls for volunteers and chairs in January), I actually have a meeting this Friday with the local university to begin planning how the community (and hospitality industry) can coordinate events including their homecoming (and parent's weekend) in 2023. "We" know dates but...gasp... not the opponent.

A look at Ohio scheduling over the past decade shows the university trying to get consistency with homecoming. Since 2013 it has been the first home game in October. Almost always the 1st or 2nd weekend. So it looks like that is the 1st question they ask the conference ("when's our first October home game?") The obvious second part of that question and answer is who we are playing - again, since we know there's a home game, we know who the opponent is - just not public info yet.

As I said, the football program doesn't care who we are playing for homecoming and most fans don't really care either. they just want to know the weekend so they can book rooms / start making plans with old friends, etc. Very few (and not enough to be concerned about) go "oh no brother Bluto we're playing..." or "I just saw them a few years ago..." Do we want to see a win? sure, but the need to play a doormat (thankfully) left the building years ago. In fact, when the schedule formally comes out we will be favored in all of our home conference games (especially since CMU and Kent lost their QBs - I did not know Gabbert decided to return to F Miami). And besides, I would challenge anyone to show a correlation between winning the homecoming game and donations.

So homecoming is the first weekend of October - opponent to formally be announced at a later date. Might be Central, has been 3 times since 2013. Doubt it's Miami, Kent would be a nice change. Central (as we know) travels well so from a business standpoint (university and town), it would b good to have Kent as the homecoming game and Central as another good commerce weekend (and of course, Miami back on a weekend as well) We'll see..

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2023 Schedule
   Posted: 2/8/2023 7:10:16 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Can you say whether we indicate a preference to when our home games with Miami take place? Saturdays vs November weeknights. I can see both sides as putting Miami on a weeknight could boost what would otherwise be a thin turnout. I'm on the side that it's better for the rivalry and conference to put all major rivalries on Saturdays.


That I don't know. I can tell you that the hospitality folks in town would rather it be on a weekend - and I'm sure they have told the university so. Not because the hotels are dead empty on weekdays (they do pretty well with general business travelers) but because they lose a full-house weekend (and ticket sales are obviously better on weekends as well). My gut tells me that playing Miami on a weekday is more of a conference and ESPN decision/dictate - Since the TV deal was extended beyond 2017 - every Miami game has been a weekday game on ESPN - that doesn't sound like a coincidence. Hopefully they throw a weekend bone to us occasionally.

on the broader discussion beyond your question...

As BTC mentioned, the decision for homecoming is made outside the athletic department (to be honest, the football program doesn't care who they play), and includes input from the community (business and civic). As a point of reference, the town I help promote has a very large festival the same weekend each October. There is a standing request from the local university to their conference to not have a home game that day (and we would never have homecoming that same weekend) - simply no hotel rooms left for alumni and fans due to the festival goers. That request has been honored every year.

As anyone involved can attest, there is a great deal of planning that goes into a homecoming weekend (Ohio generally calls for volunteers and chairs in January), I actually have a meeting this Friday with the local university to begin planning how the community (and hospitality industry) can coordinate events including their homecoming (and parent's weekend) in 2023. "We" know dates but...gasp... not the opponent.

A look at Ohio scheduling over the past decade shows the university trying to get consistency with homecoming. Since 2013 it has been the first home game in October. Almost always the 1st or 2nd weekend. So it looks like that is the 1st question they ask the conference ("when's our first October home game?") The obvious second part of that question and answer is who we are playing - again, since we know there's a home game, we know who the opponent is - just not public info yet.

As I said, the football program doesn't care who we are playing for homecoming and most fans don't really care either. they just want to know the weekend so they can book rooms / start making plans with old friends, etc. Very few (and not enough to be concerned about) go "oh no brother Bluto we're playing..." or "I just saw them a few years ago..." Do we want to see a win? sure, but the need to play a doormat (thankfully) left the building years ago. In fact, when the schedule formally comes out we will be favored in all of our home conference games (especially since CMU and Kent lost their QBs - I did not know Gabbert decided to return to F Miami). And besides, I would challenge anyone to show a correlation between winning the homecoming game and donations.

So homecoming is the first weekend of October - opponent to formally be announced at a later date. Might be Central, has been 3 times since 2013. Doubt it's Miami, Kent would be a nice change. Central (as we know) travels well so from a business standpoint (university and town), it would b good to have Kent as the homecoming game and Central as another good commerce weekend (and of course, Miami back on a weekend as well) We'll see..



If all this is true, why is OHIO one of the few schools in the nation that doesn’t consistently play one of its weakest opponents on Homecoming? According to the ever semi-accurate Wikipedia:

“When attached to a football game, homecoming traditionally occurs on the team's return from the longest road trip of the season or the first home game of a season that falls after an away game. The game itself, whether it be football or another sport, will typically feature the home team playing a considerably weaker opponent. The game is supposed to be an "easy win" and thus weaker schools will sometimes play lower division schools.“


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   Posted: 2/8/2023 10:32:33 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
If all this is true, why is OHIO one of the few schools in the nation that doesn’t consistently play one of its weakest opponents on Homecoming? According to the ever semi-accurate Wikipedia:

“When attached to a football game, homecoming traditionally occurs on the team's return from the longest road trip of the season or the first home game of a season that falls after an away game. The game itself, whether it be football or another sport, will typically feature the home team playing a considerably weaker opponent. The game is supposed to be an "easy win" and thus weaker schools will sometimes play lower division schools.“


Well if you found it on the internet it must be true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc

"team's return from the longest road trip of the season or the first home game of a season that falls after an away game" - really?

I think you'll find the definition more applicable to Chip Hilton days versus 2022. I'm sure we can go back and forth and show teams and go "what about" - and for every Ohio State playing Rutgers you have an Ole Miss playing Arkansas. But to avoid a boring and childish game for game contest let's just look at our conference brethren. Last year, Ohio played Akron (works for you), Miami played Kent, Kent and Akron both played BG, BG played Marshall, Buff played Miami, Toledo played Central, Central and NIU both played Toledo, Western played Ohio, Ball payed Eastern and Eastern played Umass (a good homecoming foe indeed), so all in all most played up or equal.

FYI - given Wikipedia's definition, our Homecoming should be against Long Island University on Sept 2nd after our trip to the coast. Meets all of the criteria, so maybe a Labor Day Homecoming is what you seek?

Regardless - Homecoming is Oct 7 and the Bobcat's will be favored.

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   Posted: 2/9/2023 12:25:53 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
If all this is true, why is OHIO one of the few schools in the nation that doesn’t consistently play one of its weakest opponents on Homecoming? According to the ever semi-accurate Wikipedia:

“When attached to a football game, homecoming traditionally occurs on the team's return from the longest road trip of the season or the first home game of a season that falls after an away game. The game itself, whether it be football or another sport, will typically feature the home team playing a considerably weaker opponent. The game is supposed to be an "easy win" and thus weaker schools will sometimes play lower division schools.“


Well if you found it on the internet it must be true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc

"team's return from the longest road trip of the season or the first home game of a season that falls after an away game" - really?

I think you'll find the definition more applicable to Chip Hilton days versus 2022. I'm sure we can go back and forth and show teams and go "what about" - and for every Ohio State playing Rutgers you have an Ole Miss playing Arkansas. But to avoid a boring and childish game for game contest let's just look at our conference brethren. Last year, Ohio played Akron (works for you), Miami played Kent, Kent and Akron both played BG, BG played Marshall, Buff played Miami, Toledo played Central, Central and NIU both played Toledo, Western played Ohio, Ball payed Eastern and Eastern played Umass (a good homecoming foe indeed), so all in all most played up or equal.

FYI - given Wikipedia's definition, our Homecoming should be against Long Island University on Sept 2nd after our trip to the coast. Meets all of the criteria, so maybe a Labor Day Homecoming is what you seek?

Regardless - Homecoming is Oct 7 and the Bobcat's will be favored.



I don’t want a prolonged discussion of this either, but it appears that our MAC brethren suffer from the same inept conference scheduling nightmare we do. I agree that the Wikipedia definition of when Homecoming games are usually held is weird, but the general statement about weaker opponents is still, I think,the norm, except in the MAC. I do remember back in the day we did have good Miami teams for Homecoming several times, but a more typical Homecoming was against the likes of Delaware and Dayton — two that I remember specifically from my undergrad years at OHIO. One of the best floats I ever saw, BTW, was the one Washington Hall did for the Delaware game. It had George Washington standing on a boat with prostate Blue Hen players under the keel, with the caption, “Washington Crushing the Delaware.” I know actual homecoming floats that require more than a half hours work are passé, but that’s another issue altogether.


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   Posted: 2/9/2023 7:33:37 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I do remember back in the day we did have good Miami teams for Homecoming several times, but a more typical Homecoming was against the likes of Delaware and Dayton — two that I remember specifically from my undergrad years at OHIO.


Ohio played Delaware 60 years ago (and lost at home by the way 29-12). You want to go back to that kind of scheduling? Which Dayton was it? Are you referring to the late 19th century when Ohio played Dayton YMCA?


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   Posted: 2/9/2023 9:49:42 AM 
Remember when we played VMI for homecoming because our dumb conference gave us 0 Saturday home games in October?
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   Posted: 2/11/2023 11:47:02 AM 
Scott Woods wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I do remember back in the day we did have good Miami teams for Homecoming several times, but a more typical Homecoming was against the likes of Delaware and Dayton — two that I remember specifically from my undergrad years at OHIO.


Ohio played Delaware 60 years ago (and lost at home by the way 29-12). You want to go back to that kind of scheduling? Which Dayton was it? Are you referring to the late 19th century when Ohio played Dayton YMCA?


Ha-ha, I'm not quite that old! The University of Delaware was a team we thought we could beat, and the UNIVERSITY of Dayton was a team we did beat at Homecoming in 1968 by a score of 42–12. My only point is that it's good for alumni to witness a win when they come back for Homecoming. Many schools go out of their way to insure as much as possible that this happens. OHIO in recent years hasn't, and given this is true at other MAC schools, it appears this is a conference issue. If you think luck of the draw scheduling for Homecoming is not a problem, I'm cool with that. We just have a different opinion.


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   Posted: 2/11/2023 11:50:06 AM 
shabamon wrote:
Remember when we played VMI for homecoming because our dumb conference gave us 0 Saturday home games in October?


Now that's the type of team we should be playing for homecoming every year, but not on the date that that game was played. The MAC should give each member one free slot in October to schedule whoever they want for Homecoming. Since the MACDaddies have never been known for their brillance, it's unlikely to happen.


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   Posted: 2/21/2023 10:56:28 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Remember when we played VMI for homecoming because our dumb conference gave us 0 Saturday home games in October?


God, was that all the way back in 2008?! It doesn't seem like it was THAT long ago!

Homecoming was in September that year (Sept. 27th), and it was our 1st win of the year, having opened 0-4 against Wyoming, Ohio A&M, CMU, and Northwestern (having been outscored by a total of 24 points in those 4 losses).

After beating VMI 51-31 in what was every bit the defensive slug-fest that I remember, we went on to a 3-4 record over the final 7 games of the season, to finish 4-8.

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   Posted: 2/28/2023 9:31:49 PM 
2023 MAC Schedule will be release at 11am ET tomorrow on social media.
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   Posted: 3/1/2023 11:01:53 AM 
THIS IS THE BEST OHIO SCHEDULE IN HISTORY!!!!!!!
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   Posted: 3/1/2023 11:02:49 AM 
https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/1630960905897779201

Do my eyes deceive me? Do we have 5 Saturday home games for the first time in forever?

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   Posted: 3/1/2023 11:08:31 AM 
shabamon wrote:
THIS IS THE BEST OHIO SCHEDULE IN HISTORY!!!!!!!


Well, maybe not in history, but it is a very good one!


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   Posted: 3/1/2023 11:34:08 AM 
Some things work in our favor here.

We play on week zero so we are the only team that has a actual bye week and it is on September 30. We knew that would be the case just not the date. September 30 is a good spot for it to be.

Only Ohio, Miami, WMU and EMU play three late season MACtion games. While this is the case for about 1/3 of the teams every season I don't even remember the last time we didn't have to play 4. I'd guess it was around 2010 or earlier. Only Ohio and EMU have one home MACtion game. That gives us 5 Saturday home games. We are the only MAC school with 5. A few only have 3 because the took 2 payout games this year and have two home MACtion games.

I always thought that playing on Tuesday rather than Wednesday was probably better for exposure due to people tuning to ESPN for the committee rankings. We got four in a row on Tuesday last year which I thought was better than a lot of teams. But I also think what you want to avoid is playing on short rest, especially when your opponent isn't. We go Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday for MACtion. That helps a little too. There is no Wednesday then Tuesday which I am sure has happened to a couple of teams even though I haven't looked to see who.

Miami is in Athens for what should be Halloween which seems to be the case a lot. We play Akron on Thanksgiving weekend which seems to have happened a lot over the past decade.

https://twitter.com/OhioFootball/status/1630961804229718016

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   Posted: 3/1/2023 12:49:43 PM 
I was wrong and we are not the only team with 5 home games. Ball Sate fans get really lucky. Their November schedule is Wed., Tues, Sat., Sat. with the first two on the road and the last two at home. Kent State also quits MACtion the third week of November but only have one of their last two at home.
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   Posted: 3/1/2023 1:01:22 PM 
Looking over the reveal tweets for MAC teams. Kent has a video on twitter and it’s very good. You need to check it out.
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   Posted: 3/1/2023 2:48:03 PM 
Here's where the university is not smart.

https://www.ohio.edu/student-affairs/parents/ohio-family-...

Parents weekend is set for September 8-10. But the football team is playing at FAU that weekend. With it being a non conference game, I imagine this date has been on the books for a few years. So we're going to have Parents weekend with no BIG campus event? Do the department of student affairs and the athletics department not communicate with one another?

This five-Saturday home slate offers an opportunity to capitalize on extra audience for every game if the university had some more forward thinking. What about this?

LIU: Band Day
Iowa State: P5 team in town, should be a big crowd anyway
Kent State: Homecoming
Western Michigan: Parents Weekend
Miami: Halloween - each student gets one guest in free as long as that guest has a valid college ID

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   Posted: 3/1/2023 2:56:57 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Here's where the university is not smart.

https://www.ohio.edu/student-affairs/parents/ohio-family-...

Parents weekend is set for September 8-10. But the football team is playing at FAU that weekend. With it being a non conference game, I imagine this date has been on the books for a few years. So we're going to have Parents weekend with no BIG campus event? Do the department of student affairs and the athletics department not communicate with one another?

This five-Saturday home slate offers an opportunity to capitalize on extra audience for every game if the university had some more forward thinking. What about this?

LIU: Band Day
Iowa State: P5 team in town, should be a big crowd anyway
Kent State: Homecoming
Western Michigan: Parents Weekend
Miami: Halloween - each student gets one guest in free as long as that guest has a valid college ID



From a revenue standpoint, hosting parents weekend on an off football weekend actually makes more sense for the city of Athens. I wonder if that's part of the thinking.
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   Posted: 3/1/2023 2:57:44 PM 
Ohio has the ultimate DREAM schedule in the MAC! Holy $hit is this a favorable format for the Bobcats. I can't recall ever seeing this favorable of a schedule format ever for Ohio! Look at these bullet points::

- Ohio does not play an away game at a Power Five school (every other team does, some even multiple times).
- Ohio only plays one Power Five school and it's a home game (Ohio is the only MAC team that will host a Power Five school).
- Ohio has not one but two byes in the conference schedule (no other MAC team has two).
- Ohio does not have to play consecutive away games at any point during the season (every other MAC school has consecutive road games, some even multiple times).

I mean, the carpet isn't just laid out for Ohio back to Detroit, the limo has all but picked the Bobcats up already and has them standing out in front of Ford Field with this schedule! It's ridiculously beneficial for Ohio. I mean, our own AD couldn't have designed a better schedule layout than this! This is incredible!!!

Last Edited: 3/1/2023 3:00:16 PM by OhioBobcat

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shabamon
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2023 Schedule
   Posted: 3/1/2023 3:07:08 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
Ohio has the ultimate DREAM schedule in the MAC! Holy $hit is this a favorable format for the Bobcats. I can't recall ever seeing this favorable of a schedule format ever for Ohio! Look at these bullet points::

- Ohio does not play an away game at a Power Five school (every other team does, some even multiple times).
- Ohio only plays one Power Five school and it's a home game (Ohio is the only MAC team that will host a Power Five school).
- Ohio has not one but two byes in the conference schedule (no other MAC team has two).
- Ohio does not have to play consecutive away games at any point during the season (every other MAC school has consecutive road games, some even multiple times).

I mean, the carpet isn't just laid out for Ohio back to Detroit, the limo has all but picked the Bobcats up already and has them standing out in front of Ford Field with this schedule! It's ridiculously beneficial for Ohio. I mean, our own AD couldn't have designed a better schedule layout than this! This is incredible!!!


I'll throw on even more.

-Ohio's last two games are against teams that together went 6-18 in 2022
-Ohio will not play any game on less than a full week's rest
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Pete Chouteau
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   Posted: 3/1/2023 4:05:08 PM 
First thought: This is awesome!

Second thought: There's got to be a catch. We're getting flexed, aren't we?

Third thought: Hey, why doesn't ESPN want us 4 times?

Fourth thought: I'm a dumbass that will never find happiness.
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