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Trevor Stephens
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  Message Not Read  Coaching Carousel 2023-24
   Posted: 9/18/2023 5:40:48 PM 
Michigan St - Mel Tucker out - Harlon Barnett - Acting Head Coach (Sept 10)
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GoCats105
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   Posted: 9/18/2023 6:25:22 PM 
Got your ass kicked by an incoming new member to the conference and your coach is an alleged perv boy. Not a great week for Sparty.
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 11:28:43 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Got your ass kicked by an incoming new member to the conference and your coach is an alleged perv boy. Not a great week for Sparty.


I think the key word here has to be "alleged." There is something really fishy about this story. I await the findings of further investigations and/or legal proceedings.

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   Posted: 9/19/2023 11:43:47 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:


I think the key word here has to be "alleged." There is something really fishy about this story. I await the findings of further investigations and/or legal proceedings.


"fishy" is right.

The story has been discussed quite a bit not only on NY sports radio (WFAN), but also on NY's talk radio stations.

Seems there are a number of "inconsistencies" in statements Brenda Tracy made
as well as "time lines".

Have to see how it all plays out.
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 12:32:04 PM 
Yeah, i don’t think defending Mel Tucker here is a good use of anyone’s time.
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 12:50:42 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
Yeah, i don’t think defending Mel Tucker here is a good use of anyone’s time.


Presumption of innocence in this case says nothing about his overall character.

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rpbobcat
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 2:10:06 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
Yeah, i don’t think defending Mel Tucker here is a good use of anyone’s time.


I'm just pointing the fact that, according to the commentators on WFAN and NYC's talk radio, there are a number of inconsistencies in the statements made by the coach's accuser as well as in her "time lines".

As I posted, we'll have to see how this all plays out.
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 2:33:47 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Yeah, i don’t think defending Mel Tucker here is a good use of anyone’s time.


I'm just pointing the fact that, according to the commentators on WFAN and NYC's talk radio, there are a number of inconsistencies in the statements made by the coach's accuser as well as in her "time lines".

As I posted, we'll have to see how this all plays out.






Shame on you for supporting guilty until proven innocent.
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rpbobcat
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 2:53:35 PM 
BryanHall wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Yeah, i don’t think defending Mel Tucker here is a good use of anyone’s time.


I'm just pointing the fact that, according to the commentators on WFAN and NYC's talk radio, there are a number of inconsistencies in the statements made by the coach's accuser as well as in her "time lines".

As I posted, we'll have to see how this all plays out.






Shame on you for supporting guilty until proven innocent.


Actually, the opposite.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 3:04:51 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Yeah, i don’t think defending Mel Tucker here is a good use of anyone’s time.


I'm just pointing the fact that, according to the commentators on WFAN and NYC's talk radio, there are a number of inconsistencies in the statements made by the coach's accuser as well as in her "time lines".

As I posted, we'll have to see how this all plays out.






Haven't followed the story, and googling didn't turn up much. What are the inconsistencies?
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   Posted: 9/19/2023 3:15:58 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


Haven't followed the story, and googling didn't turn up much. What are the inconsistencies?


According to the commentators, she says the phone sex call which is the basis of her claim wasn't consensual.
He says it was.

His Phone records show it went on for about an hour.

Again according to the commentators, the coach and the woman had some type
of "relationship".

When it ended, she filed her complaint.

One thing that is certain is that MSU would owe the coach a lot of money, unless they can prove they fired him "with cause".

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   Posted: 9/19/2023 3:22:27 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


Haven't followed the story, and googling didn't turn up much. What are the inconsistencies?


According to the commentators, she says the phone sex call which is the basis of her claim wasn't consensual.
He says it was.

His Phone records show it went on for about an hour.

Again according to the commentators, the coach and the woman had some type
of "relationship".

When it ended, she filed her complaint.

One thing that is certain is that MSU would owe the coach a lot of money, unless they can prove they fired him "with cause".


None of what you just said is anything other than hearsay and gossip speculation coming from a talk radio show that's designed to influence one way or the other. The evidence is pretty damning, and MSU's own investigation has concluded such.

https://defector.com/michigan-state-has-begun-the-process...

"During the period where you both discussed further [Set the Expectation] presentations, and while married, you admitted to the following behaviors:

-Commenting to the Vendor about her looks, body, and body parts, specifically her “a**”

-Making flirtatious comments to the Vendor in conversations that you stated “happened often”

-Masturbating and making sexually explicit comments about yourself and the Vendor while on the phone with the Vendor, which you describe as “phone sex” and “a late-night intimate conversation”

While The Formal Grievance process proceeds, the above-described undisputed facts provide multiple grounds for termination under the Agreements Early Termination Provision. Your admitted behavior (1) constitutes a material breach of your duties under the Agreement, (2) demonstrates "conduct which constitutes moral turpitude," and (3) has brought "public disrespect, contempt, or ridicule upon the S077 University." (Section IILB.1 (a) and (c).) Each of these grounds provide an independent basis under which the University may terminate the Agreement, which the University elects to now terminate."



Undisputed facts is the key term here.

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   Posted: 9/19/2023 3:36:52 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:

None of what you just said is anything other than hearsay and gossip speculation coming from a talk radio show that's designed to influence one way or the other. The evidence is pretty damning, and MSU's own investigation has concluded such.



I thought I made it pretty clear that my posts were based only one what I heard
on the radio.

As far "undisputed facts", the same commentators say that the coach has a different opinion on what facts are in fact "undisputed".

In my opinion, past actions, on the part of the coach, do cast doubt on some of his claims of innocence.

But he's still entitled to his day(s) in court.

I hope MSU had a real good legal team that made the decision that
they could fire him with cause, or its going to cost them a lot of money.



Last Edited: 9/19/2023 3:37:52 PM by rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coaching Carousel 2023-24
   Posted: 9/19/2023 3:51:07 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:

None of what you just said is anything other than hearsay and gossip speculation coming from a talk radio show that's designed to influence one way or the other. The evidence is pretty damning, and MSU's own investigation has concluded such.



I thought I made it pretty clear that my posts were based only one what I heard
on the radio.

As far "undisputed facts", the same commentators say that the coach has a different opinion on what facts are in fact "undisputed".

In my opinion, past actions, on the part of the coach, do cast doubt on some of his claims of innocence.

But he's still entitled to his day(s) in court.

I hope MSU had a real good legal team that made the decision that
they could fire him with cause, or its going to cost them a lot of money.





The initial evidence on the Duke Lacrosse team seemed pretty overwhelming and all pointed in the direction of their guilt. Subsequent evidence proved the initial evidence not probative. I don't think that either rpbobcat or myself are arguing that the coach is a "good guy" or that he might not be guilty as charged. It's just that we don't know all the facts at this point, and all we really know is what one side is saying are the facts, even if they are calling them "undisputed facts" doesn't mean that they actually are undisputed. Again, let's step aside and let the process unwind.

Last Edited: 9/19/2023 3:56:12 PM by OhioCatFan

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