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Topic:  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
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Bobcat Love
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/7/2024 10:40:17 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.


With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??


Why did Chris Jones hold out for the Chiefs on an existing contract and end up with a new deal?

Why did Anthony Davis force his way from New Orleans to the Lakers?

I can give you 50 examples of contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. If you want to shill for Cromer and Gonzalez, do it on your own time. It's a below market deal and it should be ripped up and re-negotiated. In the name of fiduciary responsibility to Ohio - they should be held accountable.

The CFP Contract was $470 Million per year when the contract was signed. It is now $1.3 Billion per year. Schools like Ohio State, Nebraska, and Kentucky sat in a room and neutered Ohio while Julie Cromer sat by and applauded as they threw her tiny scraps.

Again, as far as I know the contracts are still in place with no re-negotiation. Ohio State has $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue and Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule $74 Million.

A nation waits. Fiduciary Responsibility.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 6:36:26 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.


With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??


Why did Chris Jones hold out for the Chiefs on an existing contract and end up with a new deal?

Why did Anthony Davis force his way from New Orleans to the Lakers?

I can give you 50 examples of contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. If you want to shill for Cromer and Gonzalez, do it on your own time. It's a below market deal and it should be ripped up and re-negotiated. In the name of fiduciary responsibility to Ohio - they should be held accountable.

The CFP Contract was $470 Million per year when the contract was signed. It is now $1.3 Billion per year. Schools like Ohio State, Nebraska, and Kentucky sat in a room and neutered Ohio while Julie Cromer sat by and applauded as they threw her tiny scraps.

Again, as far as I know the contracts are still in place with no re-negotiation. Ohio State has $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue and Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule $74 Million.

A nation waits. Fiduciary Responsibility.


Jones and Davis are labor contracts of people with a specialized skill, those are not even close, what you are talking about would take a collective effort by all schools, that is not happening. OSU doesn’t NEED OHIO University to play, they need a game, if we aren’t willing to take their check for what they want to offer, someone else will. Not like we have a lot of leverage. Really no different than the job market.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 8:03:25 AM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Bobcat Love has the right idea. How about being proactive and trying to get larger contracts with these Big 10/20 schools? Ohio is not getting paid to travel to Syracuse thanks to the former AD and that poorly negotiated contract. Does anyone know what the Bobcats will make traveling to Lexington? I’m guessing it could be much higher than what they will pay Ohio. San Diego St paid Ohio around 1.5 or 1.6 million to play them last season. They are a MWC school. The SEC and Big Ten have way more money than a MWC school.


1:1 versus no return game.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 9:21:49 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Bobcat Love has the right idea. How about being proactive and trying to get larger contracts with these Big 10/20 schools? Ohio is not getting paid to travel to Syracuse thanks to the former AD and that poorly negotiated contract. Does anyone know what the Bobcats will make traveling to Lexington? I’m guessing it could be much higher than what they will pay Ohio. San Diego St paid Ohio around 1.5 or 1.6 million to play them last season. They are a MWC school. The SEC and Big Ten have way more money than a MWC school.


1:1 versus no return game.



The San Diego State deal was an anomaly that shouldn't be treated as some benchmark. New Mexico State owed SDSU $1.5M for backing out of a contract. They needed a game. We needed a game. So they had the cash to make a deal with us. Did we actually receive that total from them?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 9:31:30 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.


With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??


Why did Chris Jones hold out for the Chiefs on an existing contract and end up with a new deal?

Why did Anthony Davis force his way from New Orleans to the Lakers?

I can give you 50 examples of contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. If you want to shill for Cromer and Gonzalez, do it on your own time. It's a below market deal and it should be ripped up and re-negotiated. In the name of fiduciary responsibility to Ohio - they should be held accountable.

The CFP Contract was $470 Million per year when the contract was signed. It is now $1.3 Billion per year. Schools like Ohio State, Nebraska, and Kentucky sat in a room and neutered Ohio while Julie Cromer sat by and applauded as they threw her tiny scraps.

Again, as far as I know the contracts are still in place with no re-negotiation. Ohio State has $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue and Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule $74 Million.

A nation waits. Fiduciary Responsibility.


LOL Who let their 11 year old use the computer?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 3:27:33 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.


With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??


Why did Chris Jones hold out for the Chiefs on an existing contract and end up with a new deal?

Why did Anthony Davis force his way from New Orleans to the Lakers?

I can give you 50 examples of contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. If you want to shill for Cromer and Gonzalez, do it on your own time. It's a below market deal and it should be ripped up and re-negotiated. In the name of fiduciary responsibility to Ohio - they should be held accountable.

The CFP Contract was $470 Million per year when the contract was signed. It is now $1.3 Billion per year. Schools like Ohio State, Nebraska, and Kentucky sat in a room and neutered Ohio while Julie Cromer sat by and applauded as they threw her tiny scraps.

Again, as far as I know the contracts are still in place with no re-negotiation. Ohio State has $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue and Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule $74 Million.

A nation waits. Fiduciary Responsibility.


Jones and Davis are labor contracts of people with a specialized skill, those are not even close, what you are talking about would take a collective effort by all schools, that is not happening. OSU doesn’t NEED OHIO University to play, they need a game, if we aren’t willing to take their check for what they want to offer, someone else will. Not like we have a lot of leverage. Really no different than the job market.


BTC do you know if/when contracts like this are severed, does the visiting team receive the full payout that they were expected or is that negotiated down? I'm thinking back to any time Ohio had games cancelled which I think we had one recently?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 5:13:20 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.


With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??


Why did Chris Jones hold out for the Chiefs on an existing contract and end up with a new deal?

Why did Anthony Davis force his way from New Orleans to the Lakers?

I can give you 50 examples of contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. If you want to shill for Cromer and Gonzalez, do it on your own time. It's a below market deal and it should be ripped up and re-negotiated. In the name of fiduciary responsibility to Ohio - they should be held accountable.

The CFP Contract was $470 Million per year when the contract was signed. It is now $1.3 Billion per year. Schools like Ohio State, Nebraska, and Kentucky sat in a room and neutered Ohio while Julie Cromer sat by and applauded as they threw her tiny scraps.

Again, as far as I know the contracts are still in place with no re-negotiation. Ohio State has $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue and Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule $74 Million.

A nation waits. Fiduciary Responsibility.


Jones and Davis are labor contracts of people with a specialized skill, those are not even close, what you are talking about would take a collective effort by all schools, that is not happening. OSU doesn’t NEED OHIO University to play, they need a game, if we aren’t willing to take their check for what they want to offer, someone else will. Not like we have a lot of leverage. Really no different than the job market.


BTC do you know if/when contracts like this are severed, does the visiting team receive the full payout that they were expected or is that negotiated down? I'm thinking back to any time Ohio had games cancelled which I think we had one recently?


I'm sure BTC knows more than I, but the Cincinnati return game was cancelled now that UC is in the B12. These contracts contain all sorts of conditions about what the requirements are if a game is cancelled due to all sorts of reasons and what the penalty is if someone opts out. Cincinnati opted out of the return game after we played the first game at their place. They opted out of a series with WKU at the same time. It was exposed that UC paid WKU 500K as the penalty and one site speculated that our fee was probably in the same ballpark. But I suspect that it was probably about 1.5M instead since we had already held up our end of playing a road game and WKU had not. I sure hope so.

What would be more interesting is to see the details of our last contract with Marshall. We had to cancel Marshall's return game in Athens because of COVID when Marshall was fielding a football team in September and we weren't. The return game got moved a few years down the road but we don't know if we had to pay some sort of penalty. Was a pandemic or other heath related possibilities in there? Its hard to know exactly how this stuff is covered from where we sit. I'm guessing you could make a request under freedom of information if you really wanted to know.

Last Edited: 5/8/2024 5:25:13 PM by Victory

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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 8:05:45 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.


With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??


Why did Chris Jones hold out for the Chiefs on an existing contract and end up with a new deal?

Why did Anthony Davis force his way from New Orleans to the Lakers?

I can give you 50 examples of contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. If you want to shill for Cromer and Gonzalez, do it on your own time. It's a below market deal and it should be ripped up and re-negotiated. In the name of fiduciary responsibility to Ohio - they should be held accountable.

The CFP Contract was $470 Million per year when the contract was signed. It is now $1.3 Billion per year. Schools like Ohio State, Nebraska, and Kentucky sat in a room and neutered Ohio while Julie Cromer sat by and applauded as they threw her tiny scraps.

Again, as far as I know the contracts are still in place with no re-negotiation. Ohio State has $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue and Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule $74 Million.

A nation waits. Fiduciary Responsibility.


Jones and Davis are labor contracts of people with a specialized skill, those are not even close, what you are talking about would take a collective effort by all schools, that is not happening. OSU doesn’t NEED OHIO University to play, they need a game, if we aren’t willing to take their check for what they want to offer, someone else will. Not like we have a lot of leverage. Really no different than the job market.


BTC do you know if/when contracts like this are severed, does the visiting team receive the full payout that they were expected or is that negotiated down? I'm thinking back to any time Ohio had games cancelled which I think we had one recently?


It has to be in the contract, we got burnt many years ago on that, now there is always a buy amount, as well as language that would eliminate that buy if say, conference realignment or rules forced the change.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 8:08:32 PM 
Victory wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.


With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??


Why did Chris Jones hold out for the Chiefs on an existing contract and end up with a new deal?

Why did Anthony Davis force his way from New Orleans to the Lakers?

I can give you 50 examples of contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. If you want to shill for Cromer and Gonzalez, do it on your own time. It's a below market deal and it should be ripped up and re-negotiated. In the name of fiduciary responsibility to Ohio - they should be held accountable.

The CFP Contract was $470 Million per year when the contract was signed. It is now $1.3 Billion per year. Schools like Ohio State, Nebraska, and Kentucky sat in a room and neutered Ohio while Julie Cromer sat by and applauded as they threw her tiny scraps.

Again, as far as I know the contracts are still in place with no re-negotiation. Ohio State has $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue and Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule $74 Million.

A nation waits. Fiduciary Responsibility.


Jones and Davis are labor contracts of people with a specialized skill, those are not even close, what you are talking about would take a collective effort by all schools, that is not happening. OSU doesn’t NEED OHIO University to play, they need a game, if we aren’t willing to take their check for what they want to offer, someone else will. Not like we have a lot of leverage. Really no different than the job market.


BTC do you know if/when contracts like this are severed, does the visiting team receive the full payout that they were expected or is that negotiated down? I'm thinking back to any time Ohio had games cancelled which I think we had one recently?


I'm sure BTC knows more than I, but the Cincinnati return game was cancelled now that UC is in the B12. These contracts contain all sorts of conditions about what the requirements are if a game is cancelled due to all sorts of reasons and what the penalty is if someone opts out. Cincinnati opted out of the return game after we played the first game at their place. They opted out of a series with WKU at the same time. It was exposed that UC paid WKU 500K as the penalty and one site speculated that our fee was probably in the same ballpark. But I suspect that it was probably about 1.5M instead since we had already held up our end of playing a road game and WKU had not. I sure hope so.

What would be more interesting is to see the details of our last contract with Marshall. We had to cancel Marshall's return game in Athens because of COVID when Marshall was fielding a football team in September and we weren't. The return game got moved a few years down the road but we don't know if we had to pay some sort of penalty. Was a pandemic or other heath related possibilities in there? Its hard to know exactly how this stuff is covered from where we sit. I'm guessing you could make a request under freedom of information if you really wanted to know.


You are correct on the buys and language and many outs. Covid is a different animal, and probably (taking an educated stab here) voided any penalties as an act of God, War, Natural Disaster. Just like 9/11
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/8/2024 8:36:27 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
You are correct on the buys and language and many outs. Covid is a different animal, and probably (taking an educated stab here) voided any penalties as an act of God, War, Natural Disaster. Just like 9/11

Those seem like good guesses.

So, taking what we have on the thread, Ohio probably has the option of renegotiating the OSU fee, but they would likely have to start the process by paying the buyout fee, probably $1.5 million or so. They might also find that OSU becomes less interested in scheduling games with Ohio in the future, since Ohio is not the only in-state MAC team OSU can schedule games against.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/9/2024 7:12:51 AM 
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
You are correct on the buys and language and many outs. Covid is a different animal, and probably (taking an educated stab here) voided any penalties as an act of God, War, Natural Disaster. Just like 9/11

Those seem like good guesses.

So, taking what we have on the thread, Ohio probably has the option of renegotiating the OSU fee, but they would likely have to start the process by paying the buyout fee, probably $1.5 million or so. They might also find that OSU becomes less interested in scheduling games with Ohio in the future, since Ohio is not the only in-state MAC team OSU can schedule games against.


There are a lot of ways a savvy business person would "start the process" - and none of them involve Ohio paying $1.5 Million or so. Good god.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/9/2024 4:28:19 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
There are a lot of ways a savvy business person would "start the process" - and none of them involve Ohio paying $1.5 Million or so. Good god.

...and I asked you earlier what ways that you thought there were, and all I heard was crickets.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/9/2024 7:37:42 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
There are a lot of ways a savvy business person would "start the process" - and none of them involve Ohio paying $1.5 Million or so. Good god.

...and I asked you earlier what ways that you thought there were, and all I heard was crickets.


There's two tactics Julie could use. She won't do either, because she wants to be Ross Bjork's lackey, but that is beside the point. Again, breach of fiduciary responsibility to allow these contracts to remain in place, as-is, while the CFP $'s have increased and G5 payouts remain patheticallyy below market.

First, on September 12th 2025 the buses don't leave Athens Ohio. She makes a call to Ross Bjork and says "Ross, you can give us $7.6 Million dollars, or we don't make the trip up 33 to play the football game. IF we don't play the game, it's fine with us - we'll pay you $1.5 Million to break the contract. However, you lose a win, you lose a fall home date, Columbus loses the gameday dollars, and you look like fools with an 11 game schedule, while the rest of your Power 5 brethren have played 12, and most have an extra win to boot. Your call Ross" - Ross can't scramble a game in less than 24 hours and it will be a complete shit-show at the feet of Ohio State.

And then it ends with a $5 Million Payday, or we pay them $1.5 Million and make a strong point that others will follow. Small price IMO. In my opinion, we win either way, as we UP the payday or reset the market for these games for the G5 - which ultimately benefits Ohio in the long run.

Yes, we will be talk show fodder for about 36-48 hours and then nobody will care about a MAC/G5 school breaking a terrible contract. Ohio State will look terrible for not being able to play the game, and for trying to low-ball the actual worth of the game.

Second course of action:

Julie picks up the phone and calls Ross Bjork. She goes back to the negotiating table and re-opens the discussions she had with Gene Smith -> "Ross, this game just got around 4x more valuable in proportion to your CFP payouts. Let's do $7.6 Million on the game. You get a home game, a win, and everyone benefits on campus, in Columbus, and around the city."

When Ross says "No thanks" - that's when the fun starts. He can counter with a number (Ohio Wins) or he can give Julie the outright "A contract is a contract" (At which point I would revert to Option 1 and keep the buses idled on September 12th).

If Julie is smart, she uses her strongest negotiating position - walk away.

But your starting point is to write Ohio State a $1.5 Million Check? Jesus, we are all screwed.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/9/2024 10:59:49 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
There are a lot of ways a savvy business person would "start the process" - and none of them involve Ohio paying $1.5 Million or so. Good god.

...and I asked you earlier what ways that you thought there were, and all I heard was crickets.


There's two tactics Julie could use. She won't do either, because she wants to be Ross Bjork's lackey, but that is beside the point. Again, breach of fiduciary responsibility to allow these contracts to remain in place, as-is, while the CFP $'s have increased and G5 payouts remain patheticallyy below market.

First, on September 12th 2025 the buses don't leave Athens Ohio. She makes a call to Ross Bjork and says "Ross, you can give us $7.6 Million dollars, or we don't make the trip up 33 to play the football game. IF we don't play the game, it's fine with us - we'll pay you $1.5 Million to break the contract. However, you lose a win, you lose a fall home date, Columbus loses the gameday dollars, and you look like fools with an 11 game schedule, while the rest of your Power 5 brethren have played 12, and most have an extra win to boot. Your call Ross" - Ross can't scramble a game in less than 24 hours and it will be a complete shit-show at the feet of Ohio State.

And then it ends with a $5 Million Payday, or we pay them $1.5 Million and make a strong point that others will follow. Small price IMO. In my opinion, we win either way, as we UP the payday or reset the market for these games for the G5 - which ultimately benefits Ohio in the long run.

Yes, we will be talk show fodder for about 36-48 hours and then nobody will care about a MAC/G5 school breaking a terrible contract. Ohio State will look terrible for not being able to play the game, and for trying to low-ball the actual worth of the game.

Second course of action:

Julie picks up the phone and calls Ross Bjork. She goes back to the negotiating table and re-opens the discussions she had with Gene Smith -> "Ross, this game just got around 4x more valuable in proportion to your CFP payouts. Let's do $7.6 Million on the game. You get a home game, a win, and everyone benefits on campus, in Columbus, and around the city."

When Ross says "No thanks" - that's when the fun starts. He can counter with a number (Ohio Wins) or he can give Julie the outright "A contract is a contract" (At which point I would revert to Option 1 and keep the buses idled on September 12th).

If Julie is smart, she uses her strongest negotiating position - walk away.

But your starting point is to write Ohio State a $1.5 Million Check? Jesus, we are all screwed.


And if you pulled option #1 you would never negotiate another contract to play anyone ever again and you’d be fired by the board before you got in your car. Also, where do you come up with $7.5 million for a game? On what figures do you base that demand? And the fallout from the losses on the lawsuit from fans and businesses who lost cash over a decision would amount to millions more.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/9/2024 11:27:08 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
There are a lot of ways a savvy business person would "start the process" - and none of them involve Ohio paying $1.5 Million or so. Good god.

...and I asked you earlier what ways that you thought there were, and all I heard was crickets.


There's two tactics Julie could use. She won't do either, because she wants to be Ross Bjork's lackey, but that is beside the point. Again, breach of fiduciary responsibility to allow these contracts to remain in place, as-is, while the CFP $'s have increased and G5 payouts remain patheticallyy below market.

First, on September 12th 2025 the buses don't leave Athens Ohio. She makes a call to Ross Bjork and says "Ross, you can give us $7.6 Million dollars, or we don't make the trip up 33 to play the football game. IF we don't play the game, it's fine with us - we'll pay you $1.5 Million to break the contract. However, you lose a win, you lose a fall home date, Columbus loses the gameday dollars, and you look like fools with an 11 game schedule, while the rest of your Power 5 brethren have played 12, and most have an extra win to boot. Your call Ross" - Ross can't scramble a game in less than 24 hours and it will be a complete shit-show at the feet of Ohio State.

And then it ends with a $5 Million Payday, or we pay them $1.5 Million and make a strong point that others will follow. Small price IMO. In my opinion, we win either way, as we UP the payday or reset the market for these games for the G5 - which ultimately benefits Ohio in the long run.

Yes, we will be talk show fodder for about 36-48 hours and then nobody will care about a MAC/G5 school breaking a terrible contract. Ohio State will look terrible for not being able to play the game, and for trying to low-ball the actual worth of the game.

Second course of action:

Julie picks up the phone and calls Ross Bjork. She goes back to the negotiating table and re-opens the discussions she had with Gene Smith -> "Ross, this game just got around 4x more valuable in proportion to your CFP payouts. Let's do $7.6 Million on the game. You get a home game, a win, and everyone benefits on campus, in Columbus, and around the city."

When Ross says "No thanks" - that's when the fun starts. He can counter with a number (Ohio Wins) or he can give Julie the outright "A contract is a contract" (At which point I would revert to Option 1 and keep the buses idled on September 12th).

If Julie is smart, she uses her strongest negotiating position - walk away.

But your starting point is to write Ohio State a $1.5 Million Check? Jesus, we are all screwed.


And if you pulled option #1 you would never negotiate another contract to play anyone ever again and you’d be fired by the board before you got in your car. Also, where do you come up with $7.5 million for a game? On what figures do you base that demand? And the fallout from the losses on the lawsuit from fans and businesses who lost cash over a decision would amount to millions more.


Why would you be fired by the board for doing your job and trying to earn Ohio an equitable payday? Keep up. The CFP Playoff payout is now 4x what it was when we negotiated the Ohio State Contract - that comes out to $7.6 Million. Additionally, what rights and remedies to "fans and businesses who lost cash over a decision" around a football game have? That is the absolute dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. "Julie, this is the Attorney representing Texas De Brazil in the Arena District - we are suing Ohio University because you didn't show up for a football game" - What world are you living in?
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   Posted: 5/10/2024 9:22:05 AM 
BLove keep the posts coming. I think you have some great ideas and you are spot on about the contracts.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/10/2024 9:32:53 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
There are a lot of ways a savvy business person would "start the process" - and none of them involve Ohio paying $1.5 Million or so. Good god.

...and I asked you earlier what ways that you thought there were, and all I heard was crickets.


There's two tactics Julie could use. She won't do either, because she wants to be Ross Bjork's lackey, but that is beside the point. Again, breach of fiduciary responsibility to allow these contracts to remain in place, as-is, while the CFP $'s have increased and G5 payouts remain patheticallyy below market.

First, on September 12th 2025 the buses don't leave Athens Ohio. She makes a call to Ross Bjork and says "Ross, you can give us $7.6 Million dollars, or we don't make the trip up 33 to play the football game. IF we don't play the game, it's fine with us - we'll pay you $1.5 Million to break the contract. However, you lose a win, you lose a fall home date, Columbus loses the gameday dollars, and you look like fools with an 11 game schedule, while the rest of your Power 5 brethren have played 12, and most have an extra win to boot. Your call Ross" - Ross can't scramble a game in less than 24 hours and it will be a complete shit-show at the feet of Ohio State.

And then it ends with a $5 Million Payday, or we pay them $1.5 Million and make a strong point that others will follow. Small price IMO. In my opinion, we win either way, as we UP the payday or reset the market for these games for the G5 - which ultimately benefits Ohio in the long run.

Yes, we will be talk show fodder for about 36-48 hours and then nobody will care about a MAC/G5 school breaking a terrible contract. Ohio State will look terrible for not being able to play the game, and for trying to low-ball the actual worth of the game.

Second course of action:

Julie picks up the phone and calls Ross Bjork. She goes back to the negotiating table and re-opens the discussions she had with Gene Smith -> "Ross, this game just got around 4x more valuable in proportion to your CFP payouts. Let's do $7.6 Million on the game. You get a home game, a win, and everyone benefits on campus, in Columbus, and around the city."

When Ross says "No thanks" - that's when the fun starts. He can counter with a number (Ohio Wins) or he can give Julie the outright "A contract is a contract" (At which point I would revert to Option 1 and keep the buses idled on September 12th).

If Julie is smart, she uses her strongest negotiating position - walk away.

But your starting point is to write Ohio State a $1.5 Million Check? Jesus, we are all screwed.


And if you pulled option #1 you would never negotiate another contract to play anyone ever again and you’d be fired by the board before you got in your car. Also, where do you come up with $7.5 million for a game? On what figures do you base that demand? And the fallout from the losses on the lawsuit from fans and businesses who lost cash over a decision would amount to millions more.



Wait, so you are saying that business around would lose "Millions" in cash because of a lost football weekend? Interesting that the game is probably worth $100 Million to Ohio State, their Athletic Department, the networks, and the city at large - yet we only want 1.9% to participate.

Funny, you just made my point for me about how under-valued this contract really is. The effect of a Home Game and Assumed win on communities like Columbus, Boulder, Madison, Lincoln, Lexington, Ames, etc is worth FAR FAR FAR more thant what someone like Julie Cromer will sign for....and I appreciate YOU making the point for me - AGAIN.

Keep licking the boots of the Athletic Department while our own people short change us. The lack of critical thinking and the sheep mentality on this thread is bothersome.

Hell, one guy wanted to start negotiations by paying $1.5 Million to Ohio State.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility
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   Posted: 5/10/2024 10:36:11 AM 
Rough estimate for gate revenue alone at the Shoe is $10M give or take (100,000 x $100). They're bringing in SO MUCH money it's absurd.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/10/2024 12:21:08 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
There are a lot of ways a savvy business person would "start the process" - and none of them involve Ohio paying $1.5 Million or so. Good god.

...and I asked you earlier what ways that you thought there were, and all I heard was crickets.


There's two tactics Julie could use. She won't do either, because she wants to be Ross Bjork's lackey, but that is beside the point. Again, breach of fiduciary responsibility to allow these contracts to remain in place, as-is, while the CFP $'s have increased and G5 payouts remain patheticallyy below market.

First, on September 12th 2025 the buses don't leave Athens Ohio. She makes a call to Ross Bjork and says "Ross, you can give us $7.6 Million dollars, or we don't make the trip up 33 to play the football game. IF we don't play the game, it's fine with us - we'll pay you $1.5 Million to break the contract. However, you lose a win, you lose a fall home date, Columbus loses the gameday dollars, and you look like fools with an 11 game schedule, while the rest of your Power 5 brethren have played 12, and most have an extra win to boot. Your call Ross" - Ross can't scramble a game in less than 24 hours and it will be a complete shit-show at the feet of Ohio State.

And then it ends with a $5 Million Payday, or we pay them $1.5 Million and make a strong point that others will follow. Small price IMO. In my opinion, we win either way, as we UP the payday or reset the market for these games for the G5 - which ultimately benefits Ohio in the long run.

Yes, we will be talk show fodder for about 36-48 hours and then nobody will care about a MAC/G5 school breaking a terrible contract. Ohio State will look terrible for not being able to play the game, and for trying to low-ball the actual worth of the game.

Second course of action:

Julie picks up the phone and calls Ross Bjork. She goes back to the negotiating table and re-opens the discussions she had with Gene Smith -> "Ross, this game just got around 4x more valuable in proportion to your CFP payouts. Let's do $7.6 Million on the game. You get a home game, a win, and everyone benefits on campus, in Columbus, and around the city."

When Ross says "No thanks" - that's when the fun starts. He can counter with a number (Ohio Wins) or he can give Julie the outright "A contract is a contract" (At which point I would revert to Option 1 and keep the buses idled on September 12th).

If Julie is smart, she uses her strongest negotiating position - walk away.

But your starting point is to write Ohio State a $1.5 Million Check? Jesus, we are all screwed.


And if you pulled option #1 you would never negotiate another contract to play anyone ever again and you’d be fired by the board before you got in your car. Also, where do you come up with $7.5 million for a game? On what figures do you base that demand? And the fallout from the losses on the lawsuit from fans and businesses who lost cash over a decision would amount to millions more.



Wait, so you are saying that business around would lose "Millions" in cash because of a lost football weekend? Interesting that the game is probably worth $100 Million to Ohio State, their Athletic Department, the networks, and the city at large - yet we only want 1.9% to participate.

Funny, you just made my point for me about how under-valued this contract really is. The effect of a Home Game and Assumed win on communities like Columbus, Boulder, Madison, Lincoln, Lexington, Ames, etc is worth FAR FAR FAR more thant what someone like Julie Cromer will sign for....and I appreciate YOU making the point for me - AGAIN.

Keep licking the boots of the Athletic Department while our own people short change us. The lack of critical thinking and the sheep mentality on this thread is bothersome.

Hell, one guy wanted to start negotiations by paying $1.5 Million to Ohio State.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility


L-O-L

It's pretty clear you don't even know what any of those words mean and your dad left open a Joe Rogan comment section or something, but I'm extremely curious what reddit says about negotiating when you have less than zero leverage?

Breach of basic intelligent thought.

Last Edited: 5/10/2024 12:21:25 PM by M.D.W.S.T

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   Posted: 5/10/2024 2:37:00 PM 
The question is less how much OSU is making but what G5s would take to play them in lieu of us. I mean, OSU would probably do almost as well playing an FCS team, and though it might end up a non-entertaining 100-0 even with the backups playing the whole game and wouldn't look good with the playoff committee, OSUs bottom line probably wouldn't suffer massively with a D2 opponent. With the P4 playing 9 conference games, and FCS programs moving up to the G5, and possibly the gigantic conferences playing 10 conference games in the future instead of 9 the competition to get those play-out games from P4 teams will get move fierce. That won't help drive up the pay-out even if the P4 teams are making more and more money.

Some of the suggestions in this thread are pretty crazy.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/10/2024 2:51:54 PM 
Victory wrote:
The question is less how much OSU is making but what G5s would take to play them in lieu of us. I mean, OSU would probably do almost as well playing an FCS team, and though it might end up a non-entertaining 100-0 even with the backups playing the whole game and wouldn't look good with the playoff committee, OSUs bottom line probably wouldn't suffer massively with a D2 opponent. With the P4 playing 9 conference games, and FCS programs moving up to the G5, and possibly the gigantic conferences playing 10 conference games in the future instead of 9 the competition to get those play-out games from P4 teams will get move fierce. That won't help drive up the pay-out even if the P4 teams are making more and more money.

Some of the suggestions in this thread are pretty crazy.


The SEC is still at 8 conference games and there's no way in hell they are going to 10.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/10/2024 5:50:48 PM 
Bobcat Caravan in Columbus was May 8th. Julie Cromer was certainly asked in a public forum about efforts to renegotiate the tOSUcks contract to $7MM, absolutely the PERFECT FORUM for someone to put public pressure on the AD.

What was her reply?

A nation awaits the reporting on rectifying this public breach of fiduciary responsibility.

A nation awaits....


The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

"This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday

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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 5/10/2024 6:11:16 PM 
It makes no difference what Ohio St Is paying The Bobcats in 2025 because in no uncertain terms should Ohio be playing WVU, Rutgers and Ohio State in consecutive weeks to open the season. Absolutely crazy! I wonder if Julie would ask Boals to play 75 per cent of his non league schedule vs power four teams. I doubt that is happening.
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   Posted: 5/10/2024 6:19:56 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:

There's two tactics Julie could use. She won't do either, because she wants to be Ross Bjork's lackey, but that is beside the point. Again, breach of fiduciary responsibility to allow these contracts to remain in place, as-is, while the CFP $'s have increased and G5 payouts remain patheticallyy below market.



I'm not following here. What's the CFP payout have to do with a non-conference schedule filler game in September?

The CFP payouts are based on a $7.8b tv deals, but it seems like all of your other posts are about the financial benefits of a home game. TV deals for sports have increased dramatically over the last decade due to a fractured media environment and fewer and fewer live event opportunities.

But has the revenue created by a home game at Ohio State 4xd alongside it? What's the rationale for insisting the cost of a buy game increase in lockstep with the college football playoff tv deal?

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   Posted: 5/10/2024 6:22:27 PM 
If the Ohio Basketball team played 10 of 13 games non league vs power four teams the win loss record would be terrible. So why is the current administration asking the football program to play three power four teams in one season? In 2024 the football team is facing 50 percent power four non conference schedule. Some one tell me when the basketball program has ever played 50 percent power four non conference schedule?
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