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mid70sbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/27/2021 11:08:20 PM 
71 BOBCAT wrote:
I want to make the following points around this years performance and this coach!

1) Tim took over, in July, a team he was part of, for 15 or so years, that was winning 7-8 games a year.
2) 15 players returned for their SUPER SENIOR year
3) All coaches stayed on
4) Even Frank was on hand as an adviser

The results achieved are unacceptable based on what Tim inherited. PERIOD

I understand we did not have much of a choice to elevate Tim in July as Frank announced he was stepping down due to health reasons. I doubt anyone, at the time of Tim's announcement, thought our results would be this dreadful.

We should have structured a better contract than the one that has been made public. If the university chooses to not make a change for next year we are faced with an uncertain future for our Football Team.

We loose 29 players due to graduation. Others will probably leave via the transfer portal. We still haven't seen anywhere info about our incoming class. Our QB situation is uncertain at best. Rourke is not the answer as he is too inconsistent. All these facts make one think we are in for another loosing season.

Let's make the change now for a quality coach, AKA Solich.



You have a degree from Ohio and cannot spell the word "lose"? We started the year with many guys injured some who never saw the field this year. We lost games by 1,2, 3 and 7 points. So we are like 16 points away from a 7-5 season? The loss to BG sucked but unless you wanna buy out his contract, as well as other whiners here, deal with what we have and either support your alma mater or quit following. Negativity is the last thing we need.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/28/2021 12:24:06 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
71 BOBCAT wrote:
I want to make the following points around this years performance and this coach!

1) Tim took over, in July, a team he was part of, for 15 or so years, that was winning 7-8 games a year.
2) 15 players returned for their SUPER SENIOR year
3) All coaches stayed on
4) Even Frank was on hand as an adviser

The results achieved are unacceptable based on what Tim inherited. PERIOD

I understand we did not have much of a choice to elevate Tim in July as Frank announced he was stepping down due to health reasons. I doubt anyone, at the time of Tim's announcement, thought our results would be this dreadful.

We should have structured a better contract than the one that has been made public. If the university chooses to not make a change for next year we are faced with an uncertain future for our Football Team.

We loose 29 players due to graduation. Others will probably leave via the transfer portal. We still haven't seen anywhere info about our incoming class. Our QB situation is uncertain at best. Rourke is not the answer as he is too inconsistent. All these facts make one think we are in for another loosing season.

Let's make the change now for a quality coach, AKA Solich.



You have a degree from Ohio and cannot spell the word "lose"? We started the year with many guys injured some who never saw the field this year. We lost games by 1,2, 3 and 7 points. So we are like 16 points away from a 7-5 season? The loss to BG sucked but unless you wanna buy out his contract, as well as other whiners here, deal with what we have and either support your alma mater or quit following. Negativity is the last thing we need.



We also won games by 2 and 8 points so we were 12 points away from a 1-11 record.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/28/2021 9:22:26 AM 
Mid70sbobcat
While I am open to criticism for being negative, your opinion.
There is a difference between being negative and being objective.
I feel you think our record this year was acceptable because we only lost a few games by single digits.
Could you share your thoughts on an expected W-L record for our boys at the seasons start?
For me I thought a 7 win season was realistic based upon all the points I mentioned in my earlier post.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 8:55:10 AM 
This season is what bad coaching looks like. It will deteriorate from here.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 10:51:00 AM 
FWIW, Rod Carey is now available. He and Temple have parted ways.


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We will get by.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 10:54:43 AM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
This season is what bad coaching looks like. It will deteriorate from here.


When you've lost Ted, you've lost the entire narrative. It's over.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 10:56:56 AM 
Good Lord. I thought the same thing when I read Tedís comments.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 11:32:25 AM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
This season is what bad coaching looks like. It will deteriorate from here.


My thoughts, exactly. I hope that I'm wrong, but that's certainly what my assessment is of this season under Albin. I think our only hope is that President Sherman agrees and makes a command decision.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 1:26:57 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
This season is what bad coaching looks like. It will deteriorate from here.


Truth.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 1:34:22 PM 
After Tedís response on a couple of threads I not only agreed with him but dreamed of a firingÖ.soon.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 1:42:47 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
This season is what bad coaching looks like. It will deteriorate from here.


Agree 100%.

Albin is still here.
We've had nothing but "Radio Silence" from the A.D.
(Pretty much the same as all season)

So either she doesn't recognize this, agree with it, or plan to do anything about it.

None of the above possibilities speak very well about her as A.D.




Last Edited: 11/29/2021 1:43:24 PM by rpbobcat

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 3:25:24 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
This season is what bad coaching looks like. It will deteriorate from here.


Agree 100%.

Albin is still here.
We've had nothing but "Radio Silence" from the A.D.
(Pretty much the same as all season)

So either she doesn't recognize this, agree with it, or plan to do anything about it.

None of the above possibilities speak very well about her as A.D.


The "radio silence" really just seems to create a blank canvas for people to paint their own picture of what's going on. I don't think we know enough to say. And while I get that an AD has a public job and as a result they should expect to face public scrutiny, personally I try and avoid being publicly critical unless I feel like I have substantial information to go on. The absence of information doesn't actually strike me as information, in this case. And given what we know, I find the rush to criticize Cromer to be odd.

For instance, how do we know that Cromer and Albin didn't have a 4 hour private meeting in which she made it very clear that the standards for success weren't met, and that without improvement his contract won't be renewed? We know Albin made substantial changes to the coaching staff already. How do we know those weren't made at the insistence of Albin's boss?

It's also unclear to me what needs to be said publicly at this point. To conclude, because she hasn't made a public statement about the status of Albin's job that she "doesn't recognize it", "doesn't agree with it" or "doesn't plan to to do anything about it" leaves out a whole range of possibilities. There's a whole lot that goes on behind closed doors at Ohio University that the folks on bobcatattack.com don't know about. That doesn't mean those things aren't happening.

Lastly, I'd like to hear the case justifying a buyout of Albin.

Our football program hasn't won a MAC Championship. We lose money every year. This past season, we already paid two head coaches in Solich and Albin. Given the financial realities of higher education and mid major athletics, is it really worth 500k to accelerate a rebuild by one year when the most success we've ever achieved just loses us even more money? What's the upside vs. waiting a year and getting out of the Albin contract free of charge?

There's a reason Cromer put that clause in the contract. I really doubt it was to buy him out a year early.



Last Edited: 11/29/2021 3:27:27 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 3:45:40 PM 
I agree with Ted and the others and now is the time to pull the trigger and fire Albin. You already have two vacancies on the staff so why not just clean house entirely. Giving Albin a second year really does the program no good and in fact is only harming the program by continuing the further deterioration of it. There is no reason to delay and/or not correct what was a mistake to begin with.



















Last Edited: 11/29/2021 3:55:40 PM by ou79

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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 3:50:45 PM 
BLSoS and I seem to be of similar mindsets related to this topic. What good does it do for Cromer to come out publicly and criticize the on-field performance of the football program this past season? Just to apparently appease some bobcatattack.com posters? Does ANYBODY on this message board really think that Cromer can be all smiles about how this season went?

If course, criticism of Albin and the team's performance from the AD are the types of conversations that one should prefer stay internal. Why would anyone as a Bobcat fan want to see that type of thing played out in the public? Makes no sense to me at all.

Bottom line - I believe Cromer has done a good job while in her position at OHIO, primarily because I have no evidence to tell me otherwise. She had the experience and qualifications for the job when she took it, and I haven't seen anything to the contrary.

If there are Bobcat fans who do think Cromer is doing poorly, I wonder if they thought she should have gotten the job in the first place. And if they didn't, I'd love to have them explain why they didn't like her being hired.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 4:52:49 PM 
That's exactly what Tom Boeh did following season one of Knorr Ball. He issued a letter acknowledging that the program's trajectory was not acceptable and that changes would be made.

In order for Ms. Cromer to do the same, she'd have to postpone a few minutes of her NCAA committee work.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 5:07:05 PM 
SBH wrote:
That's exactly what Tom Boeh did following season one of Knorr Ball. He issued a letter acknowledging that the program's trajectory was not acceptable and that changes would be made.

In order for Ms. Cromer to do the same, she'd have to postpone a few minutes of her NCAA committee work.



Yes, he did, and I think it was a positive gesture that fans appreciated.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 5:36:00 PM 
SBH wrote:
That's exactly what Tom Boeh did following season one of Knorr Ball. He issued a letter acknowledging that the program's trajectory was not acceptable and that changes would be made.

In order for Ms. Cromer to do the same, she'd have to postpone a few minutes of her NCAA committee work.




Boeh then proceeded to keep Knorr at Ohio for three more seasons in which he managed 4, 2, and 4 wins respectively.

Why? Because Boeh wasn't smart enough to negotiate a way out of Knorr's contract and our program doesn't have deep enough pockets for buyouts. Meanwhile, Cromer managed to negotiate a clause that gives her a free way to move on from Albin in half the time and ensured there wouldn't be a repeat of Boeh's mistake with Knorr.

I guess letters to the fanbase are cool. But they don't actually mean anything without action, and Cromer negotiated a legal mechanism to take prompt action.

That seems vastly better to me than a letter. In fact, that letter just advertises to the world -- including recruits -- that Albin's a lame duck. And what does it accomplish exactly? It makes one half of the 27 active bobcatattack.com posters slightly less upset. I'm not sure I get it.

And that our fanbase has managed to become upset that our athletic director has a seat at the table in discussions that will shape the future of college sports is the definition of irrational. The entire landscape of college sports is shifting, and our fanbase has decided to be upset that our athletic director is paying attention. Why? Because they've arbitrarily decided that it's somehow an impediment to doing her job well, as opposed to, you know, central to the survival of Ohio University athletics as we know them.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 7:15:32 PM 

SBH wrote:
That's exactly what Tom Boeh did following season one of Knorr Ball. He issued a letter acknowledging that the program's trajectory was not acceptable and that changes would be made.

In order for Ms. Cromer to do the same, she'd have to postpone a few minutes of her NCAA committee work.







Unfortunately, action was not taken until after Year 4.
 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/29/2021 11:47:24 PM 
The university cannot afford to buy out the final year of the financial commitment in Albinís contract, plain and simple. Nor should it try to, given the spending cuts recently to the academic side of things. That would be a PR nightmare for the university.

Unless of course very deep-pocketed boosters, perhaps including deep-pocketed BA posters, want to pony up the money to do it. But we havenít seen that yet.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/30/2021 12:05:43 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
SBH wrote:
That's exactly what Tom Boeh did following season one of Knorr Ball. He issued a letter acknowledging that the program's trajectory was not acceptable and that changes would be made.

In order for Ms. Cromer to do the same, she'd have to postpone a few minutes of her NCAA committee work.




Boeh then proceeded to keep Knorr at Ohio for three more seasons in which he managed 4, 2, and 4 wins respectively.

Why? Because Boeh wasn't smart enough to negotiate a way out of Knorr's contract and our program doesn't have deep enough pockets for buyouts. Meanwhile, Cromer managed to negotiate a clause that gives her a free way to move on from Albin in half the time and ensured there wouldn't be a repeat of Boeh's mistake with Knorr.

I guess letters to the fanbase are cool. But they don't actually mean anything without action, and Cromer negotiated a legal mechanism to take prompt action.

That seems vastly better to me than a letter. In fact, that letter just advertises to the world -- including recruits -- that Albin's a lame duck. And what does it accomplish exactly? It makes one half of the 27 active bobcatattack.com posters slightly less upset. I'm not sure I get it.

And that our fanbase has managed to become upset that our athletic director has a seat at the table in discussions that will shape the future of college sports is the definition of irrational. The entire landscape of college sports is shifting, and our fanbase has decided to be upset that our athletic director is paying attention. Why? Because they've arbitrarily decided that it's somehow an impediment to doing her job well, as opposed to, you know, central to the survival of Ohio University athletics as we know them.



BLSoS, you make way too much sense for 13.5 active BAers and they will have none of it, which includes never answering your questions. Who needs sense or solid information when you just know you're right?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/30/2021 3:25:24 AM 
This past season was definitely frustrating to watch and the near future is more than likely going to suck, too. If Kent wins the MACC Saturday, the suck level will go up even higher.

Barring a surprise influx of cash, We are almost 100% likely to endure Albinball until at least the 2022 MACtion season rolls around in November. The deep pockets that bless so many programs simply don't exist here. Fordham is likely the only non-conference game the Cats will be competitive in unless some kind of magic happens. Don't be shocked if they drop that one.

What the past 4 months have proven to me is that once this comes to a merciful end, it will be time to fully part ways with most, if not all, of the current staff. They have had a ridiculously long opportunity to prove their mettle and it is time for completely fresh blood.

As far as our AD, I personally don't care for her style nor approach but that doesn't mean it's wrong. She seems better suited as an NCAA bureaucrat, though. She is very fortunate to have inherited Boals and I liked the Geoff Carlson hire.

Here's to hoping that winter roundball will be much more enjoyable!

Last Edited: 11/30/2021 1:23:53 PM by OUcats82


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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/30/2021 8:00:26 AM 
OUcats82 wrote:

She seems better suited as an NCAA bureaucrat, though. She is very fortunate to have inherited Boals and I liked the Geoff Carlson hire.



This pretty much sums it up.

If you read the A.D.'s bio on ohiobobcats.com, her athletic accolades are
limited to what Boals and his players accomplished.

Everything else is administrative.

As I've posted before, if she was so well qualified, and doing such a great job at Arkansas why didn't she get A.D. job ?

When she was hired, there was more attention paid to her being O.U.'s first female A.D. and her administrative accomplishments at Arkansas and and Indiana,
after " a decade long tenure at the the NCAA national office" then any
"hands on experience" as "second in command" at Arkansas, when came to
actual athletics.

As far as Carlson, that was a good hire.
I just don't know if or how may offers he had to coach, and how the
whole process of hiring him played out.













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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/30/2021 11:28:15 AM 
SBH wrote:
That's exactly what Tom Boeh did following season one of Knorr Ball. He issued a letter acknowledging that the program's trajectory was not acceptable and that changes would be made.

In order for Ms. Cromer to do the same, she'd have to postpone a few minutes of her NCAA committee work.







Can you tell me what those changes were? Curious? Part of the problem was Boeh himself. He made Knorr take on coaches he had no say in or would not have hired in the first place, and then he seriously defunded the program behind the scenes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Keep Tim Albin
   Posted: 11/30/2021 1:49:28 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
SBH wrote:
That's exactly what Tom Boeh did following season one of Knorr Ball. He issued a letter acknowledging that the program's trajectory was not acceptable and that changes would be made.

In order for Ms. Cromer to do the same, she'd have to postpone a few minutes of her NCAA committee work.







Can you tell me what those changes were? Curious? Part of the problem was Boeh himself. He made Knorr take on coaches he had no say in or would not have hired in the first place, and then he seriously defunded the program behind the scenes.


How so? Boeh certainly wasn't afraid to spend money on facilities or coaches relative to peers. What cuts do you actually have knowledge about?
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   Posted: 11/30/2021 5:03:44 PM 
no, keep Tim Albin
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