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GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 10:32:56 AM 
The Athletic has reported that there is a push being made by several administrators to create an 80-team super league of the top programs in college football. There will be no conferences and no NIL, but the players will be paid directly. Smaller schools will have the chance to move up through relegation/promotion.

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/can-an-80-team-super-...

https://theathletic.com/5383639/2024/04/03/college-footba... /
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 10:45:17 AM 
Was coming here to see if anybody had posted this.

Relegation/promotion is the best OU can hope for at this point, otherwise we're going to be completely left out. Think there's some merit to this approach, but not clear to my why the Big 10 and SEC sign up.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 11:02:56 AM 
Whatever.

Does it result in us getting a path to the national championship that's entirely within our control? If so, I'll take it.

Anymore, being a college football fan means going to one or two Ohio games a year, tailgating on campus, enjoying fall weather, hopefully seeing a win, and sitting at the bar afterwards.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 12:43:49 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Whatever.

Does it result in us getting a path to the national championship that's entirely within our control? If so, I'll take it.

Anymore, being a college football fan means going to one or two Ohio games a year, tailgating on campus, enjoying fall weather, hopefully seeing a win, and sitting at the bar afterwards.


And don't forget seeing the Marching 110!!!!

Honestly though, hasn't it really always been the case, OTHER THAN for students, true diehards or local citizens that have an easy trek to Peden, that all Ohio football (and for that matter, most of the G5 schools) is, is catching or game or 2 on a nice sunny Fall Saturday and hopefully watching a win? I've never had delusions Ohio could even remotely compete for a national championship and frankly, it's not even trying to. I think the last 10 years or so have been a golden age for Ohio football, although winning a MACC would be nice.



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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 1:11:45 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Whatever.

Does it result in us getting a path to the national championship that's entirely within our control? If so, I'll take it.

Anymore, being a college football fan means going to one or two Ohio games a year, tailgating on campus, enjoying fall weather, hopefully seeing a win, and sitting at the bar afterwards.


And don't forget seeing the Marching 110!!!!

Honestly though, hasn't it really always been the case, OTHER THAN for students, true diehards or local citizens that have an easy trek to Peden, that all Ohio football (and for that matter, most of the G5 schools) is, is catching or game or 2 on a nice sunny Fall Saturday and hopefully watching a win? I've never had delusions Ohio could even remotely compete for a national championship and frankly, it's not even trying to. I think the last 10 years or so have been a golden age for Ohio football, although winning a MACC would be nice.





Yes, but I also don't give a rip about what's going on in the Big Ten or SEC or the entire CFP conversation and it's getting worse every year. Even when the CFP "expands", we have to go undefeated and hope someone like Boise State or UCF doesn't. And sidecar point - I'm getting less invested in individual players.

Contrast that to basketball where I can watch any D1 game with interest because we are part of the same story. I love how at the Final Four, the words "The Road Ends Here" are on display in big letters. "The Road" begins in November in my head canon. The Final Four isn't a realistic expectation for a MAC team, but we are still on that road just like everyone else
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 1:38:42 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Whatever.

Does it result in us getting a path to the national championship that's entirely within our control? If so, I'll take it.

Anymore, being a college football fan means going to one or two Ohio games a year, tailgating on campus, enjoying fall weather, hopefully seeing a win, and sitting at the bar afterwards.


And don't forget seeing the Marching 110!!!!

Honestly though, hasn't it really always been the case, OTHER THAN for students, true diehards or local citizens that have an easy trek to Peden, that all Ohio football (and for that matter, most of the G5 schools) is, is catching or game or 2 on a nice sunny Fall Saturday and hopefully watching a win? I've never had delusions Ohio could even remotely compete for a national championship and frankly, it's not even trying to. I think the last 10 years or so have been a golden age for Ohio football, although winning a MACC would be nice.





Yes, but I also don't give a rip about what's going on in the Big Ten or SEC or the entire CFP conversation and it's getting worse every year. Even when the CFP "expands", we have to go undefeated and hope someone like Boise State or UCF doesn't. And sidecar point - I'm getting less invested in individual players.

Contrast that to basketball where I can watch any D1 game with interest because we are part of the same story. I love how at the Final Four, the words "The Road Ends Here" are on display in big letters. "The Road" begins in November in my head canon. The Final Four isn't a realistic expectation for a MAC team, but we are still on that road just like everyone else



And you're not wrong in that thinking.

But my point is, if you're honest with yourself, is the fact that Ohio has no chance of winning an FBS championship whatsover ever stopped or prevented you from watching the team on TV, screaming at the TV when Albin makes a crazy play call, stopping you from screaming like crazy when CJ Harris tosses a strike to Tyler Foster in OT to win a bowl game or when Rickey Hill rushes for 5 TDs? No! You're into it because you love the team and Ohio football. Me too. We all do.

And truthfully, Ohio is on ESPN a good bit of the time, which I think's pretty cool.

So sure, we're not in the conversation with the big boys about a national championship. On the other hand, Ohio doesn't also spend the obscene amounts of $$$ it takes to try and win one. And whether we like it or not, Ohio isn't even trying to win the national championship, and I'm fine with that.

Edit: As a side note, overall one could argue Ohio's gotten a pretty good return on it's investment in football. It's on TV a good bit, wins a majority of its games, wins bowl games. All with spending at the very bottom wrung of FBS teams.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 3:04:42 PM 
But as to this proposed idea, not sure I like it. I'm a traditionalist as far as conferences are concerned. I still think Nebraska and Penn state don't belong in the Big 10! And they've absolutely wrecked the PAC 10 Conference, which is sad to see.

But I agree, this idea might be the only thing to keep Ohio relative. Ohio's definitely worthy of being in the top 80. Top 20 perhaps not so much, but top 80, sure. It's a new day in college football (and basketball for that matter) and I might as well get used to it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 4:43:25 PM 
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 5:30:50 PM 
That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. An 80 team league with no conferences in a sport that plays 12 games. OK.

Conferences carefully formed on geographical rivalries and similarities is what makes the most sense and is what is best for the game. Form your 80 team league, fine...but do it with 5 conferences that make sense and is the primary feed into the tournament. At least then you have an overarching organization with a macro view of things instead of conferences just looking out for themselves. Then maybe we could return to some level of logic. But just a wide open 80 team league with no structure to the regular season...barf.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 7:19:51 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


I知 very serious. At the end of this year, CBS Sports for example had Ohio ranked #66 in its final ranking.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/4/2024 7:39:48 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?

I'll leave this right here...

https://theathletic.com/5390774/2024/04/04/college-footba... /


The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

"This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday

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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/5/2024 12:59:07 AM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


I知 very serious. At the end of this year, CBS Sports for example had Ohio ranked #66 in its final ranking.



I think we were top 80 this past season. But I'm talking about year in, year out. And you know the criteria used to determine top 80 will probably not br friendly to group of 5 teams.

So Ohio may have moved into the top 80 for this season under the new plan.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/5/2024 8:45:38 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


Jeff, you were saying exactly what I was thinking!!!!
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/5/2024 8:51:26 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


I知 very serious. At the end of this year, CBS Sports for example had Ohio ranked #66 in its final ranking.



I think we were top 80 this past season. But I'm talking about year in, year out. And you know the criteria used to determine top 80 will probably not br friendly to group of 5 teams.

So Ohio may have moved into the top 80 for this season under the new plan.


Exactly, to think the Northwestern's, Indiana's, Vandy's, etc being left behind simply is not going to happen. And yes, we are on the field been often a top 80, but we ain't starting there. The problem with this entire system of moving up, is you'd have to blow some schedules up when you have teams move up or down.

There are 60 P5 teams, that would leave 20 spots, not sure there is a spot for the MAC in that 20.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/5/2024 9:17:29 AM 
The 80 schools will basically correlate directly to the 80 schools that spend the most on football. We'll be on the outside looking in.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/5/2024 11:24:49 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


I知 very serious. At the end of this year, CBS Sports for example had Ohio ranked #66 in its final ranking.



I think we were top 80 this past season. But I'm talking about year in, year out. And you know the criteria used to determine top 80 will probably not br friendly to group of 5 teams.

So Ohio may have moved into the top 80 for this season under the new plan.


Exactly, to think the Northwestern's, Indiana's, Vandy's, etc being left behind simply is not going to happen. And yes, we are on the field been often a top 80, but we ain't starting there. The problem with this entire system of moving up, is you'd have to blow some schedules up when you have teams move up or down.

There are 60 P5 teams, that would leave 20 spots, not sure there is a spot for the MAC in that 20.


To your point even if they did leave behind the NW, Indiana, Vandy, etc, I don't know if Ohio would necessarily be at the top of their list to replace them.

Let's put this exercise into practice.

1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. LSU
4. Texas A&M
5. Mississippi St
6. Ole Miss
7. Arkansas
8. Florida
9. Georgia
10. Missouri
11. Kentucky
12. South Carolina
13. Tennessee
14. Vanderbilt
15. Oklahoma
16. Texas
17. Michigan
18. Ohio State
19. Penn State
20. Michigan State
21. Rutgers
22. Indiana
23. Maryland
24. Purdue
25. Iowa
26. Illinois
27. Wisconsin
28. Minnesota
29. Nebraska
30. Northwestern
31. Washington
32. Oregon
33. USC
34. UCLA

(almost half is covered by the current Big 2 already)

35. Clemson
36. Florida State
37. Miami
38. Virginia
39. Virginia Tech
40. Duke
41. Wake Forest
42. UNC
43. NC State
44. Boston College
45. Syracuse
46. Pitt
47. Georgia Tech
48. Louisville
49. Notre Dame
50. West Virginia
51. Baylor
52. Texas Tech
53. Kansas
54. Kansas State
55. Iowa State
56. TCU
57. Oklahoma State
58. BYU
59. Cincinnati
60. Houston
61. UCF

So you've got 19 spots left for ~60+ other schools. You think Ohio deserves one of those year-in, year out? It wouldn't be completely insane to think they are deserving based on past merit and accomplishments in the Solich era, but who knows what they'd base this off of. Budgets? Attendance? Overall winning percentage? Who have you played against? After doing this I realized I left out three more schools in the ACC and new Big 12...

62. SMU
63. Stanford
64. Cal
66. Arizona
67. Arizona St
68. Utah
69. Colorado

And these programs I could easily see picked over Ohio.

70. Oregon State
71. Washington State
72. Boise State
73. Navy
74. Army
75. Air Force
76. Tulane
77. Fresno State
78. USF
79. Memphis

So you've got 1 spot. Let's say the service academies aren't included in this, so that's 4 spots. Promotion/relegation gets you to maybe 10 spots, if we're being generous.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/5/2024 12:37:23 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


I知 very serious. At the end of this year, CBS Sports for example had Ohio ranked #66 in its final ranking.



I think we were top 80 this past season. But I'm talking about year in, year out. And you know the criteria used to determine top 80 will probably not br friendly to group of 5 teams.

So Ohio may have moved into the top 80 for this season under the new plan.


Exactly, to think the Northwestern's, Indiana's, Vandy's, etc being left behind simply is not going to happen. And yes, we are on the field been often a top 80, but we ain't starting there. The problem with this entire system of moving up, is you'd have to blow some schedules up when you have teams move up or down.

There are 60 P5 teams, that would leave 20 spots, not sure there is a spot for the MAC in that 20.


To your point even if they did leave behind the NW, Indiana, Vandy, etc, I don't know if Ohio would necessarily be at the top of their list to replace them.

Let's put this exercise into practice.

1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. LSU
4. Texas A&M
5. Mississippi St
6. Ole Miss
7. Arkansas
8. Florida
9. Georgia
10. Missouri
11. Kentucky
12. South Carolina
13. Tennessee
14. Vanderbilt
15. Oklahoma
16. Texas
17. Michigan
18. Ohio State
19. Penn State
20. Michigan State
21. Rutgers
22. Indiana
23. Maryland
24. Purdue
25. Iowa
26. Illinois
27. Wisconsin
28. Minnesota
29. Nebraska
30. Northwestern
31. Washington
32. Oregon
33. USC
34. UCLA

(almost half is covered by the current Big 2 already)

35. Clemson
36. Florida State
37. Miami
38. Virginia
39. Virginia Tech
40. Duke
41. Wake Forest
42. UNC
43. NC State
44. Boston College
45. Syracuse
46. Pitt
47. Georgia Tech
48. Louisville
49. Notre Dame
50. West Virginia
51. Baylor
52. Texas Tech
53. Kansas
54. Kansas State
55. Iowa State
56. TCU
57. Oklahoma State
58. BYU
59. Cincinnati
60. Houston
61. UCF

So you've got 19 spots left for ~60+ other schools. You think Ohio deserves one of those year-in, year out? It wouldn't be completely insane to think they are deserving based on past merit and accomplishments in the Solich era, but who knows what they'd base this off of. Budgets? Attendance? Overall winning percentage? Who have you played against? After doing this I realized I left out three more schools in the ACC and new Big 12...

62. SMU
63. Stanford
64. Cal
66. Arizona
67. Arizona St
68. Utah
69. Colorado

And these programs I could easily see picked over Ohio.

70. Oregon State
71. Washington State
72. Boise State
73. Navy
74. Army
75. Air Force
76. Tulane
77. Fresno State
78. USF
79. Memphis

So you've got 1 spot. Let's say the service academies aren't included in this, so that's 4 spots. Promotion/relegation gets you to maybe 10 spots, if we're being generous.



So you're saying there's a chance then? haha

You're all probably correct, on a go-forward basis Ohio may very well get locked out of a super league (we'll see, and we'll see if this thing ever gets to fruition, hopefully not) but per BTC, Ohio has been in the top 80 several times over the last decade plus. So it is theoretically possible. Sustainable? I don't know.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/6/2024 7:39:00 AM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


I知 very serious. At the end of this year, CBS Sports for example had Ohio ranked #66 in its final ranking.



I think we were top 80 this past season. But I'm talking about year in, year out. And you know the criteria used to determine top 80 will probably not br friendly to group of 5 teams.

So Ohio may have moved into the top 80 for this season under the new plan.


Exactly, to think the Northwestern's, Indiana's, Vandy's, etc being left behind simply is not going to happen. And yes, we are on the field been often a top 80, but we ain't starting there. The problem with this entire system of moving up, is you'd have to blow some schedules up when you have teams move up or down.

There are 60 P5 teams, that would leave 20 spots, not sure there is a spot for the MAC in that 20.


To your point even if they did leave behind the NW, Indiana, Vandy, etc, I don't know if Ohio would necessarily be at the top of their list to replace them.

Let's put this exercise into practice.

1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. LSU
4. Texas A&M
5. Mississippi St
6. Ole Miss
7. Arkansas
8. Florida
9. Georgia
10. Missouri
11. Kentucky
12. South Carolina
13. Tennessee
14. Vanderbilt
15. Oklahoma
16. Texas
17. Michigan
18. Ohio State
19. Penn State
20. Michigan State
21. Rutgers
22. Indiana
23. Maryland
24. Purdue
25. Iowa
26. Illinois
27. Wisconsin
28. Minnesota
29. Nebraska
30. Northwestern
31. Washington
32. Oregon
33. USC
34. UCLA

(almost half is covered by the current Big 2 already)

35. Clemson
36. Florida State
37. Miami
38. Virginia
39. Virginia Tech
40. Duke
41. Wake Forest
42. UNC
43. NC State
44. Boston College
45. Syracuse
46. Pitt
47. Georgia Tech
48. Louisville
49. Notre Dame
50. West Virginia
51. Baylor
52. Texas Tech
53. Kansas
54. Kansas State
55. Iowa State
56. TCU
57. Oklahoma State
58. BYU
59. Cincinnati
60. Houston
61. UCF

So you've got 19 spots left for ~60+ other schools. You think Ohio deserves one of those year-in, year out? It wouldn't be completely insane to think they are deserving based on past merit and accomplishments in the Solich era, but who knows what they'd base this off of. Budgets? Attendance? Overall winning percentage? Who have you played against? After doing this I realized I left out three more schools in the ACC and new Big 12...

62. SMU
63. Stanford
64. Cal
66. Arizona
67. Arizona St
68. Utah
69. Colorado

And these programs I could easily see picked over Ohio.

70. Oregon State
71. Washington State
72. Boise State
73. Navy
74. Army
75. Air Force
76. Tulane
77. Fresno State
78. USF
79. Memphis

So you've got 1 spot. Let's say the service academies aren't included in this, so that's 4 spots. Promotion/relegation gets you to maybe 10 spots, if we're being generous.



So you're saying there's a chance then? haha

You're all probably correct, on a go-forward basis Ohio may very well get locked out of a super league (we'll see, and we'll see if this thing ever gets to fruition, hopefully not) but per BTC, Ohio has been in the top 80 several times over the last decade plus. So it is theoretically possible. Sustainable? I don't know.



Problem is, when we are top 80, we finish the season in the top 80, we do not start in the top 80. Meaning we wouldn't be in the top 80 alignment. And, be willing to bet any system that has a mechanism of upward movement would require more than one good year. And as suggested above, money will be a BIG factor in all this.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/6/2024 2:46:38 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Mark, you're not serious about Ohio being in the top 80, right?


I知 very serious. At the end of this year, CBS Sports for example had Ohio ranked #66 in its final ranking.



I think we were top 80 this past season. But I'm talking about year in, year out. And you know the criteria used to determine top 80 will probably not br friendly to group of 5 teams.

So Ohio may have moved into the top 80 for this season under the new plan.


Exactly, to think the Northwestern's, Indiana's, Vandy's, etc being left behind simply is not going to happen. And yes, we are on the field been often a top 80, but we ain't starting there. The problem with this entire system of moving up, is you'd have to blow some schedules up when you have teams move up or down.

There are 60 P5 teams, that would leave 20 spots, not sure there is a spot for the MAC in that 20.


To your point even if they did leave behind the NW, Indiana, Vandy, etc, I don't know if Ohio would necessarily be at the top of their list to replace them.

Let's put this exercise into practice.

1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. LSU
4. Texas A&M
5. Mississippi St
6. Ole Miss
7. Arkansas
8. Florida
9. Georgia
10. Missouri
11. Kentucky
12. South Carolina
13. Tennessee
14. Vanderbilt
15. Oklahoma
16. Texas
17. Michigan
18. Ohio State
19. Penn State
20. Michigan State
21. Rutgers
22. Indiana
23. Maryland
24. Purdue
25. Iowa
26. Illinois
27. Wisconsin
28. Minnesota
29. Nebraska
30. Northwestern
31. Washington
32. Oregon
33. USC
34. UCLA

(almost half is covered by the current Big 2 already)

35. Clemson
36. Florida State
37. Miami
38. Virginia
39. Virginia Tech
40. Duke
41. Wake Forest
42. UNC
43. NC State
44. Boston College
45. Syracuse
46. Pitt
47. Georgia Tech
48. Louisville
49. Notre Dame
50. West Virginia
51. Baylor
52. Texas Tech
53. Kansas
54. Kansas State
55. Iowa State
56. TCU
57. Oklahoma State
58. BYU
59. Cincinnati
60. Houston
61. UCF

So you've got 19 spots left for ~60+ other schools. You think Ohio deserves one of those year-in, year out? It wouldn't be completely insane to think they are deserving based on past merit and accomplishments in the Solich era, but who knows what they'd base this off of. Budgets? Attendance? Overall winning percentage? Who have you played against? After doing this I realized I left out three more schools in the ACC and new Big 12...

62. SMU
63. Stanford
64. Cal
66. Arizona
67. Arizona St
68. Utah
69. Colorado

And these programs I could easily see picked over Ohio.

70. Oregon State
71. Washington State
72. Boise State
73. Navy
74. Army
75. Air Force
76. Tulane
77. Fresno State
78. USF
79. Memphis

So you've got 1 spot. Let's say the service academies aren't included in this, so that's 4 spots. Promotion/relegation gets you to maybe 10 spots, if we're being generous.



So you're saying there's a chance then? haha

You're all probably correct, on a go-forward basis Ohio may very well get locked out of a super league (we'll see, and we'll see if this thing ever gets to fruition, hopefully not) but per BTC, Ohio has been in the top 80 several times over the last decade plus. So it is theoretically possible. Sustainable? I don't know.



Problem is, when we are top 80, we finish the season in the top 80, we do not start in the top 80. Meaning we wouldn't be in the top 80 alignment. And, be willing to bet any system that has a mechanism of upward movement would require more than one good year. And as suggested above, money will be a BIG factor in all this.


It's all about money.

We're a decade+ into conference realignment, and the MAC hasn't lost a single school. We've picked up a vagrant in UMASS. That's it.

If the MAC wasn't attractive during conference realignment, we're not gonna be attractive in the building of this super conference. We have been on the outside looking in of everything to date.
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   Posted: 4/6/2024 6:26:00 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Problem is, when we are top 80, we finish the season in the top 80, we do not start in the top 80. Meaning we wouldn't be in the top 80 alignment. And, be willing to bet any system that has a mechanism of upward movement would require more than one good year. And as suggested above, money will be a BIG factor in all this.

As I understand relegation/promotion, the lowest ranked teams from among the top 80 would drop out, while the highest ranked of the excluded teams would replace them. Thus, if Ohio was in the top 80 at the end of one year, they would be included in the Super 80 league the next year, for at least one year. I would think that they would be sometimes in, sometimes not.


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   Posted: 4/10/2024 12:11:40 PM 
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Problem is, when we are top 80, we finish the season in the top 80, we do not start in the top 80. Meaning we wouldn't be in the top 80 alignment. And, be willing to bet any system that has a mechanism of upward movement would require more than one good year. And as suggested above, money will be a BIG factor in all this.

As I understand relegation/promotion, the lowest ranked teams from among the top 80 would drop out, while the highest ranked of the excluded teams would replace them. Thus, if Ohio was in the top 80 at the end of one year, they would be included in the Super 80 league the next year, for at least one year. I would think that they would be sometimes in, sometimes not.


If you ain稚 playing those teams how you going to ranked above any of them? And then you have the basketball problem of where society on a whole likes to think a .500 P5 team is just better than a 10 win MAC.
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   Posted: 4/10/2024 12:43:53 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Problem is, when we are top 80, we finish the season in the top 80, we do not start in the top 80. Meaning we wouldn't be in the top 80 alignment. And, be willing to bet any system that has a mechanism of upward movement would require more than one good year. And as suggested above, money will be a BIG factor in all this.

As I understand relegation/promotion, the lowest ranked teams from among the top 80 would drop out, while the highest ranked of the excluded teams would replace them. Thus, if Ohio was in the top 80 at the end of one year, they would be included in the Super 80 league the next year, for at least one year. I would think that they would be sometimes in, sometimes not.


If you ain稚 playing those teams how you going to ranked above any of them? And then you have the basketball problem of where society on a whole likes to think a .500 P5 team is just better than a 10 win MAC.


In England, at the end of the regular season the bottom three teams in the Premier (top) League are relegated to the Championship (second best league). The top three championship teams move up to Premier League. They don稚 play inter league games against each other as part of the regular league seasons. If I知 not mistaken all levels of English soccer follow a similar pattern.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/10/2024 1:14:49 PM 
The relegation idea is stupid in my opinion because often a young team has a poor record that will improve as a roster ages. Then once it's record peaks and players graduate, it will return to a subpar record. That's pretty much the opposite of what relegation tries to achieve. English soccer players don't graduate every few years.
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Mike Coleman wrote:
The relegation idea is stupid in my opinion because often a young team has a poor record that will improve as a roster ages. Then once it's record peaks and players graduate, it will return to a subpar record. That's pretty much the opposite of what relegation tries to achieve. English soccer players don't graduate every few years.

That's the way it used to work. The new way is that each year's team will stand on it's own. Many of the best and worst players will then transfer out, and the coaches will reconstitute a new team for the next year, with as much as 1/3 of the total team replaced each year. While good coaches may be able to maintain consistent results by retaining more good players, and by choosing good players to add, there will the much less continuity, and progress in terms of success from year to year will be less predictable.

What would a relegation system accomplish? In my opinion, some coaches/schools will thrive in the new system, and outperform their peers, while others will falter, and under-perform. Relegation will allow those schools that perform consistently well to rise, and those that consistently under-perform to fall, at least until they make changes that improve their results. Will coaching salaries finally fall to earth in this new era, with or without relegation? Probably not, and they may rise faster.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 80-Team Super League
   Posted: 4/10/2024 5:34:00 PM 
Who knows if a super league will happen but the compact that has existed the past 30 years in college football with equal power conference and emerging access for mid major conferences has with this new playoff contract begun to dissolved. Big Ten and SEC taking the majority of the money for themselves and all but have selves designed to split off from college football is a real thing now. Its also happening in basketball where the power conferences are demanding multiple guaranteed slots to the NIT and that new Las Vegas tournament.

What can Ohio do that its not doing already to stay in D1 athletics? The coaches in football and men's basketball are doing pretty good jobs. In the future I could see trying to recruit a HC that is an expert in optimizing NIL game but I wouldn't bother with that as NIL is still evolving. The practice court addition to The Convo could raise Ohio's stock some and be a practical enough addition to the university. It could make a difference if the MAC splits up.

The new CFP deal however is signed through 2031-32 so more radical change isn't imminent.

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