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Topic:  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/22/2024 3:08:04 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Don't want to police their free time, but I hope Albin said something. It's a respect thing.


I don't think Albin was even there was he?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/22/2024 5:02:15 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I will never be able to accept the fall off of student support.


I won't go so far to say it's a lost cause, but for decades now, the coversation around sports is only that winning matters and only winning in the postseason matters. Sports isn't about the experience- or fun- anymore. It's just about winning. It's the age of Hot Takes and highlights.

A child raised in that culture is not likely to care about Bowling Green on a cold winter's night.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/22/2024 5:06:57 PM 
Regarding the football players leaving after their recognition: I was at another college recently where the dance team came in during the first half, performed at halftime, then walked right out the door.

I hate it when people pull crap like that.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/22/2024 5:34:38 PM 
"Back to my original point -- we need to find complimentary players that fit the mold of rebounding, defense, facilitation, and 3PT shooting. Since we have 4 starters locked, it's unlikely we'll be a hotbed for P6 transfers when you factor in the lack of guaranteed playing time and limited financial means."

and

"but I'd like to think we can more effectively pluck talent looking to move up and contribute at the next level as role players based on our needs, instead of P6 players (getting attention from everyone) looking for starter minutes since we won't be able to offer that."

Gonna have to disagree with the two takes from different BA posters. I have to hope Boals (or Albin) is always looking to recruit up. And if that means more competition for starting positions, then that's a good thing. This is a .500 team with a roster of limited talent. Boals may not add the next Gary Trent or DJ Cooper or Jason Preston to next year's roster, but he should always be going after these type of players.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/22/2024 6:27:05 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
"Back to my original point -- we need to find complimentary players that fit the mold of rebounding, defense, facilitation, and 3PT shooting. Since we have 4 starters locked, it's unlikely we'll be a hotbed for P6 transfers when you factor in the lack of guaranteed playing time and limited financial means."

and

"but I'd like to think we can more effectively pluck talent looking to move up and contribute at the next level as role players based on our needs, instead of P6 players (getting attention from everyone) looking for starter minutes since we won't be able to offer that."

Gonna have to disagree with the two takes from different BA posters. I have to hope Boals (or Albin) is always looking to recruit up. And if that means more competition for starting positions, then that's a good thing. This is a .500 team with a roster of limited talent. Boals may not add the next Gary Trent or DJ Cooper or Jason Preston to next year's roster, but he should always be going after these type of players.



We're a .500 team because we brought in too many of the same type (with little production) of players and have yet to address any weaknesses in two portal seasons.

I'm not advocating Boals completely neglects P6 transfers. That said, we have a sample size of what he's been able to realistically land with and without NIL money.

Would you rather have Marcus Hill or Shereef/Baker? TJ Nesmith (6'9 D2 transfer to Radford averaging 9ppg and 5rpg) or Wiz/Ike? 4/5 transfers we've brought in are ex-P6 or recruiting up, as you put it. What has that gotten us?

Plucking lower level talent doesn't mean talentless and our track record for recruiting up isn't exactly there.

Last Edited: 1/22/2024 6:32:30 PM by FJC31

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/22/2024 8:19:31 PM 
JSF wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I will never be able to accept the fall off of student support.


I won't go so far to say it's a lost cause, but for decades now, the coversation around sports is only that winning matters and only winning in the postseason matters. Sports isn't about the experience- or fun- anymore. It's just about winning. It's the age of Hot Takes and highlights.

A child raised in that culture is not likely to care about Bowling Green on a cold winter's night.


Baseball has been unable to solve its revenue disparity issues. With that if team quality was what was important many fans would enter the season knowing their team had zero chance most years and if performing over 162 games was what mattered as it once did nearly all fans would know their teams chances were minimal by midseason. So the solution to keeping more fans interested as the season goes on, and also getting some attention for more casual fans for a short period of time, is to do your best to untether the requirement from actually being a good team from the chances of winning a title. 5 games in baseball, unless the two teams are drastically different in quality like in some HS and college games means about as little as anything could. But not only is this marketing strategy pretty obvious in the format but in some of Manfred's comments on it he has come close to basically admitting this is a method to keep the fans of the teams with less money interested.

It seems silly to create a league to demonstrate who is good at something and then do your best to kneecap actually being good at it at in terms of it mattering for the most important prize. But every sport has migrated more and more this to a large extent over the last century. In the end the sport's integrity isn't what is important. It is the revenue and you can't argue that this approach doesn't benefit revenue. But even at that it will hurt fand who might otherwise be serious fans keeping interest over the regular season.

If you are a regular poster on a mid-major message board you clearly have the potential to be a very serious fan of the sport but even with that we hear our regular posters say that the basketball season doesn't really matter to them until March. Imagine what it is now for the average student then.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/23/2024 9:38:37 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Don't want to police their free time, but I hope Albin said something. It's a respect thing.


I don't think Albin was even there was he?


Yes, Albin (and his wife) were there, sitting courtside in the Bobcat Black premium seats.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/23/2024 10:32:59 AM 
FJC31 wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
"Back to my original point -- we need to find complimentary players that fit the mold of rebounding, defense, facilitation, and 3PT shooting. Since we have 4 starters locked, it's unlikely we'll be a hotbed for P6 transfers when you factor in the lack of guaranteed playing time and limited financial means."

and

"but I'd like to think we can more effectively pluck talent looking to move up and contribute at the next level as role players based on our needs, instead of P6 players (getting attention from everyone) looking for starter minutes since we won't be able to offer that."

Gonna have to disagree with the two takes from different BA posters. I have to hope Boals (or Albin) is always looking to recruit up. And if that means more competition for starting positions, then that's a good thing. This is a .500 team with a roster of limited talent. Boals may not add the next Gary Trent or DJ Cooper or Jason Preston to next year's roster, but he should always be going after these type of players.



We're a .500 team because we brought in too many of the same type (with little production) of players and have yet to address any weaknesses in two portal seasons.

I'm not advocating Boals completely neglects P6 transfers. That said, we have a sample size of what he's been able to realistically land with and without NIL money.

Would you rather have Marcus Hill or Shereef/Baker? TJ Nesmith (6'9 D2 transfer to Radford averaging 9ppg and 5rpg) or Wiz/Ike? 4/5 transfers we've brought in are ex-P6 or recruiting up, as you put it. What has that gotten us?

Plucking lower level talent doesn't mean talentless and our track record for recruiting up isn't exactly there.


Nobody is saying not to "recruit up". I do not agree this team lacks talent. It lacks roles and structure, it lacks an identity because they all play the same position. At this current time, it lacks health.

I've said dozens of times, I don't blame Boals even remotely for the "current .500 roster of limited talent" because it's full of some of the highest rated recruits ever. Shouldn't that be exciting to you?

He's trying to cultivate the most talent he can - now it's time to fill in the gaps and mold the talent the best they can.

In this era we NEED to get creative. D2. NAIA. JUCO. A player is a player is a player. Every game thread I feel like I highlight someone we should've recruited that was JUCO. These kids coming from the SEC think they deserve $100K just to play here and haven't proven didly squat. I bet if you dangled $25K and an opportunity in front of the D2 rebounding leader he would be on campus tomorrow.

And again, that doesn't mean you stop recruiting 4 stars it means now that your team is loaded with guards... go find one of these skinny 7-footers that are popping up everywhere. YSU can do it. BG can do it. OU can't?

We've had a ton of talent at PG, we should be using that to recruit some 'lower level talent'. I'm happy to play the stepping stone game if it gets us W's. Mark Sears? My lord, he could be SEC POY and Boals hates his guts. Feeling is probably mutual. We should be playing that up as much as we play up JP. Sears was an undersized 3-star guard plucked out of military school, now he's the leading scorer on a final four team. JP had one offer and now he's a fringe NBA player. DJ is a 2-time french league MVP.

We could and should be a haven for some of these guys with talent who are just looking for a shot. Is your dream to be in the SEC? We'll get you there. Is your dream to make an NBA roster? Let's work together. Maybe your dream is to live abroad supporting your family in Monaco while playing basketball? Done.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/23/2024 11:02:08 AM 
Worlds of difference between the exits of JP, DJ and MS. First two are still Bobcats in my book. In the case of the latter, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/23/2024 11:10:02 AM 
JimLurker34 wrote:
Worlds of difference between the exits of JP, DJ and MS. First two are still Bobcats in my book. In the case of the latter, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.


Sometimes you have to put your pride to the side and ride the wave. Enjoy some of those fringe benefits.

Once a Bobcat, Always a Bobcat.

Especially when you're on TV twice a night. :)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/24/2024 4:30:44 PM 
Bobcat Binge wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Don't want to police their free time, but I hope Albin said something. It's a respect thing.


I don't think Albin was even there was he?


Yes, Albin (and his wife) were there, sitting courtside in the Bobcat Black premium seats.



Tim and most the staff attend almost every basketball game. See them at other sports too.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/24/2024 6:56:59 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FearLeon wrote:

I'm just as excited as anyone about the development of Sheldon and Captain Chaos, but I think we need to pump the brakes on Sheldon being a future All-MAC player. I would just be happy if he averages 8-10 PPG moving forward and has a Chad Estis type career.


Yeah, I'm also very glad he can see. And like his game. But he needs to be able to guard somebody to be a starter, let alone all MAC. Sheldon, to me, is a rich man's Tommy Schmock. I think of him as what Bill Simmons calls a heat check guy; a shooter/scorer off the bench who can get you a lot of points quick. But I'm not sure I've seen him well-rounded enough to be an all conference guy.





Ajay Sheldon is what us grads in the mid 2000s wanted out of Stephen King.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/25/2024 9:43:03 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FearLeon wrote:

I'm just as excited as anyone about the development of Sheldon and Captain Chaos, but I think we need to pump the brakes on Sheldon being a future All-MAC player. I would just be happy if he averages 8-10 PPG moving forward and has a Chad Estis type career.


Yeah, I'm also very glad he can see. And like his game. But he needs to be able to guard somebody to be a starter, let alone all MAC. Sheldon, to me, is a rich man's Tommy Schmock. I think of him as what Bill Simmons calls a heat check guy; a shooter/scorer off the bench who can get you a lot of points quick. But I'm not sure I've seen him well-rounded enough to be an all conference guy.





Ajay Sheldon is what us grads in the mid 2000s wanted out of Stephen King.


He gave you that every day... in Ping.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 18 Thread: Eastern Michigan
   Posted: 1/25/2024 12:55:35 PM 
shabamon wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FearLeon wrote:

I'm just as excited as anyone about the development of Sheldon and Captain Chaos, but I think we need to pump the brakes on Sheldon being a future All-MAC player. I would just be happy if he averages 8-10 PPG moving forward and has a Chad Estis type career.


Yeah, I'm also very glad he can see. And like his game. But he needs to be able to guard somebody to be a starter, let alone all MAC. Sheldon, to me, is a rich man's Tommy Schmock. I think of him as what Bill Simmons calls a heat check guy; a shooter/scorer off the bench who can get you a lot of points quick. But I'm not sure I've seen him well-rounded enough to be an all conference guy.





Ajay Sheldon is what us grads in the mid 2000s wanted out of Stephen King.


He gave you that every day... in Ping.


Definitely got torched by him a few times.
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