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The Insider
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  Message Not Read  Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/20/2023 6:54:45 PM 
Over the past couple years Ohios coaching staff has gone out there and found countless kids that were under recruited and have turned them into very good players. Many of which that are on the team still including Parker Tits, Adonis Williams Jr., and Austin Brawley to name a few. I think our system builds these kids. What are your thoughts on this? Do we need bigger recruits or let our coaches coach?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/20/2023 7:43:45 PM 
The Insider wrote:
Over the past couple years Ohios coaching staff has gone out there and found countless kids that were under recruited and have turned them into very good players. Many of which that are on the team still including Parker Tits, Adonis Williams Jr., and Austin Brawley to name a few. I think our system builds these kids. What are your thoughts on this? Do we need bigger recruits or let our coaches coach?


While I think our staff has been doing a great job finding and building these kids, I think our recruiting is considered to be pretty decent as of late.

133 FBS teams and 65 power conference teams. On3 has us the 84th best recruiting class and 247 has us at 90th.

Mind you there are some G5 teams above some power schools (Toledo killed it this year)but there are also some FBS teams ranked below FCS schools. I personally don’t think that’s too bad.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/20/2023 9:23:20 PM 
I remember Frank saying he didn't necessarily target those who were the best High School players but looking more for the athletes that had upside at the college level with a few years in the system.

For that reason the recruiting classes in the past didn't look as good on paper as what they actually were. Also academically inclinded athletes. Toledo allows non-qualifiers to attend and get their academic house in order while Ohio doesn't do that.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/20/2023 9:36:05 PM 
There is no question that Ohio's best talent has been players that were under-recruited. Let's look at players that were drafted:
Landon Cohen - no other offers
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/landon-cohen-60045?...
Mike Mitchell - no other offers
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/mike-mitchell-65309...
Taylor Price - offers from Mimai, Akron, had formerly committed to Akron
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/taylor-price-157540...
Lavon Brazill - no other offers
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/lavon-brazill-29408...
Eric Herman - Offers from Akron, BG, WMU
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/eric-herman-59101?v...
Travis Carrie - not only no other offers, not even in the recruiting databases
Terrell Basham - no other offers
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/tarell-basham-68345...
Blair Brown - Offers from FAU and Indiana, but not rated
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/blair-brown-88979?v...
Quentin Poling - shows no offers, but I think he had offers from Ball St & Toledo
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/quentin-poling-7158...

So, none of the above were heavily recruited. Some, such as Brazill and Carrie were completely under the radar. That's great, but as the recruiting industry has gotten better and better at evaluating players, those types no longer fall through the cracks. Ohio has not recruited a player who has been drafted since Poling in 2013. Kurtis Rourke might change that, but of course, he came from Canada, which is outside the normal area of recruiting.

Ohio can't really rely on only under the radar players. They need to add as many quality 3-star players as possible, and a few under the radar ones to go with them. I sound more and more like Casper all the time.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/21/2023 10:14:01 AM 
LC…😂
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/21/2023 12:24:37 PM 
Williams and Brawley are two interesting cases. I think they are more examples of talent finding Ohio. Both Ohio kids and both dudes. Integral parts of the secondary moving forward.
Williams was never offered by this staff and only had offers from Akron, Air Force and Navy which he committed to. He made his way to Athens after leaving the Naval Academy. They got lucky on that one.
Brawley was also never recruited by this staff with any force. He was going to take a PWO to Kent. Not until John Hauser joined the Ohio staff did they look at Brawley, who played as a freshman BTW. Hauser had recruited him at Miami and he offered in the late spring. Without Hauser. Brawley would have been in the portal or at Kent. Who knows?

There were 119 Division 1 football commits in the state of Ohio made official this week. Two are going to Ohio University. Both were late additions to the class.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/22/2023 6:30:39 AM 
Valley Cat wrote:


There were 119 Division 1 football commits in the state of Ohio made official this week. Two are going to Ohio University. Both were late additions to the class.


Unacceptable.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/22/2023 12:05:48 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Valley Cat wrote:


There were 119 Division 1 football commits in the state of Ohio made official this week. Two are going to Ohio University. Both were late additions to the class.


Unacceptable.


Unacceptable and unbelievable.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/22/2023 12:46:43 PM 
Chuck Landon had arrived here too apparently.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/22/2023 1:45:49 PM 
We have the same amount of kids from Germany in this incoming class than we do kids from Ohio at 2.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/22/2023 3:50:59 PM 
The Insider wrote:
We have the same amount of kids from Germany in this incoming class than we do kids from Ohio at 2.


I’d like to know the total number of Ohio players that we offered.

If they don’t visit or don’t want to come here what are you gonna do?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/22/2023 5:38:37 PM 
I don't care where they're from, as long as we get the best talent we can get. Overall, the class looks solid based on L.C.'s analysis.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/22/2023 6:19:45 PM 
Valley Cat wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Valley Cat wrote:


There were 119 Division 1 football commits in the state of Ohio made official this week. Two are going to Ohio University. Both were late additions to the class.


Unacceptable.


Unacceptable and unbelievable.


Some people would rather lose with kids from Vinton County than win with kids from Florida! LOL
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/23/2023 12:28:22 AM 
D. C., I’ve said this on the number of occasions. This staff seems to often not recruit the Ohio area. This year is one of those cases with only I think two recruits from Ohio. There is too much talent in both Cincinnati and Ohio, that we just appear not to even go after. I don’t understand that. Especially when I think every other MAC school got at least one recruit from Cincinnati. Having said that, ill. C. Knows I like kids from Florida and the best athletes we can get. Let’s just make Ohio a higher priority.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/23/2023 9:19:38 AM 
I would point out that 9 players are from a MAC state (OH, IN, MI, IL) in this years class.

I would also point out that many of the MAC programs I noticed have a lot of back yard players right now instead of recruiting more broadly. The situation was reversed somewhat in the past. The availability of quality in-state players has a lot to do with how many OSU is taking in. They recruit more nationally and there are more left in-state for everyone else.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/23/2023 7:28:26 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
The Insider wrote:
We have the same amount of kids from Germany in this incoming class than we do kids from Ohio at 2.


I’d like to know the total number of Ohio players that we offered.

If they don’t visit or don’t want to come here what are you gonna do?


39 Ohio offers out of 148 total per 247 sports
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/24/2023 2:55:34 PM 
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 12/31/2023 12:25:54 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


I think another way to maybe look at it is who are the best players in the MAC and are they from Ohio?
Last years players of the year: Player of the Year - Canada (OHIO), Defensive POTY - Florida (EMU) and ST POTY - New York (BUF). Freshman of the year - Maryland (OHIO).
2023’s MAC players of the year: player of the Year - Michigan (TOL), Defensive POTY - Ohio (Miami) and ST POTY - Ohio (Miami). Freshman of the year - Illinois (WMU).

OHIO has the most players on this list tied with Toledo and Miami (and obviously someone could go thru the first team all conference and get a bigger sample size). OHIO got its talent from outside OHIO, Miami got it from Ohio, and Toledo got it from Michigan.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 1/2/2024 2:59:43 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


It makes it tough considering OU is in the one corner of the state without a major metro area producing D-1 kids consistently, which means you have to latch your fortunes to Columbus, which in itself is a recruiting bloodbath already for any and all schools. Unfortunately, recruiting in-state is always going to be an uphill. Consistently winning and taking advantage of kids transferring from P5 schools back home appears to be options that are viable to us, but competing for kids straight out of HS to recruit to OU is always going to be a challenge.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio finds talent…
   Posted: 1/2/2024 5:28:57 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


It makes it tough considering OU is in the one corner of the state without a major metro area producing D-1 kids consistently, which means you have to latch your fortunes to Columbus, which in itself is a recruiting bloodbath already for any and all schools. Unfortunately, recruiting in-state is always going to be an uphill. Consistently winning and taking advantage of kids transferring from P5 schools back home appears to be options that are viable to us, but competing for kids straight out of HS to recruit to OU is always going to be a challenge.

Exactly. Not impossible, but an uphill battle. When Ohio could conduct coaching camps in Cincinnati and Cleveland, the field was more even.


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   Posted: 1/2/2024 5:48:26 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


It makes it tough considering OU is in the one corner of the state without a major metro area producing D-1 kids consistently, which means you have to latch your fortunes to Columbus, which in itself is a recruiting bloodbath already for any and all schools. Unfortunately, recruiting in-state is always going to be an uphill. Consistently winning and taking advantage of kids transferring from P5 schools back home appears to be options that are viable to us, but competing for kids straight out of HS to recruit to OU is always going to be a challenge.

Exactly. Not impossible, but an uphill battle. When Ohio could conduct coaching camps in Cincinnati and Cleveland, the field was more even.


We haven't brought the camps up as a subject on here in a long time but I'm skeptical of the lower in-state numbers have a lot to do with no longer running them as they were only permissible for a few years. That and 90% of Ohio students don't attend from the immediate region anyways. With the highways today all the major in-state recruiting areas are within 2-3 hours.

Watching Ohio play BG this year I couldn't help but note the number of Northwest Ohio players on the roster. Northwest Ohio is a mediocre football recruiting territory. I don't know if it says a lot to load up on in-state players at the G5 level in the state of Ohio.


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   Posted: 1/2/2024 6:15:13 PM 
Campus Flow wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


It makes it tough considering OU is in the one corner of the state without a major metro area producing D-1 kids consistently, which means you have to latch your fortunes to Columbus, which in itself is a recruiting bloodbath already for any and all schools. Unfortunately, recruiting in-state is always going to be an uphill. Consistently winning and taking advantage of kids transferring from P5 schools back home appears to be options that are viable to us, but competing for kids straight out of HS to recruit to OU is always going to be a challenge.

Exactly. Not impossible, but an uphill battle. When Ohio could conduct coaching camps in Cincinnati and Cleveland, the field was more even.


We haven't brought the camps up as a subject on here in a long time but I'm skeptical of the lower in-state numbers have a lot to do with no longer running them as they were only permissible for a few years. That and 90% of Ohio students don't attend from the immediate region anyways. With the highways today all the major in-state recruiting areas are within 2-3 hours.

Watching Ohio play BG this year I couldn't help but note the number of Northwest Ohio players on the roster. Northwest Ohio is a mediocre football recruiting territory. I don't know if it says a lot to load up on in-state players at the G5 level in the state of Ohio.


Depends on where you go to in NW Ohio. If they're getting recruits from Toledo CC and from the NLL suburban schools, along with farm boys that play in the Midwest Athletic Conference, then they can be a solid team. Not great but solid. What makes Bowling Green a load and a half is when they combine that with good Columbus/I-75 talent that they can occasionally get.

Toledo MO's recruiting historically has been get the best of the area, go over the state-lines heavily into Michigan, and because of the program's coaching ties to Mount Union, they can walk into Western PA and get kids too. And even then, that happened prior as they always valued the Western PA kids as well.

As to the driving logic, it's a heckuva lot easier to convince kids from Cleveland to take the turnpike to Toledo than it is to get off I-77, veer onto US-50, and drive like grandma because of either orange barrels or the number of local sheriff's sitting on that road. Sorry guys, even as a NW Ohio kid here myself, even I could recruit against that and annihilate Ohio in those regards. With no roads that are 70mph into Athens, distance will always be a battle for OU, especially when it comes to the family coming to games. Jokingly, if we could fundraise for anything, it would be to figure out how to make Routes 33, Route 50, and Route 32 all major highways clocking 70mph at all points from a major metro or from I-77. As we can all relate to, that drive from Columbus to Athens has sped up significantly since they put in the bypass. Would love to see more of that work being done, especially the stupid speed trap once you pass the Fun Barn or outside of Logan (end rant and hatred of my speed trap history)

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   Posted: 1/2/2024 6:59:01 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Campus Flow wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


It makes it tough considering OU is in the one corner of the state without a major metro area producing D-1 kids consistently, which means you have to latch your fortunes to Columbus, which in itself is a recruiting bloodbath already for any and all schools. Unfortunately, recruiting in-state is always going to be an uphill. Consistently winning and taking advantage of kids transferring from P5 schools back home appears to be options that are viable to us, but competing for kids straight out of HS to recruit to OU is always going to be a challenge.

Exactly. Not impossible, but an uphill battle. When Ohio could conduct coaching camps in Cincinnati and Cleveland, the field was more even.


We haven't brought the camps up as a subject on here in a long time but I'm skeptical of the lower in-state numbers have a lot to do with no longer running them as they were only permissible for a few years. That and 90% of Ohio students don't attend from the immediate region anyways. With the highways today all the major in-state recruiting areas are within 2-3 hours.

Watching Ohio play BG this year I couldn't help but note the number of Northwest Ohio players on the roster. Northwest Ohio is a mediocre football recruiting territory. I don't know if it says a lot to load up on in-state players at the G5 level in the state of Ohio.


Depends on where you go to in NW Ohio. If they're getting recruits from Toledo CC and from the NLL suburban schools, along with farm boys that play in the Midwest Athletic Conference, then they can be a solid team. Not great but solid. What makes Bowling Green a load and a half is when they combine that with good Columbus/I-75 talent that they can occasionally get.

Toledo MO's recruiting historically has been get the best of the area, go over the state-lines heavily into Michigan, and because of the program's coaching ties to Mount Union, they can walk into Western PA and get kids too. And even then, that happened prior as they always valued the Western PA kids as well.

As to the driving logic, it's a heckuva lot easier to convince kids from Cleveland to take the turnpike to Toledo than it is to get off I-77, veer onto US-50, and drive like grandma because of either orange barrels or the number of local sheriff's sitting on that road. Sorry guys, even as a NW Ohio kid here myself, even I could recruit against that and annihilate Ohio in those regards. With no roads that are 70mph into Athens, distance will always be a battle for OU, especially when it comes to the family coming to games. Jokingly, if we could fundraise for anything, it would be to figure out how to make Routes 33, Route 50, and Route 32 all major highways clocking 70mph at all points from a major metro or from I-77. As we can all relate to, that drive from Columbus to Athens has sped up significantly since they put in the bypass. Would love to see more of that work being done, especially the stupid speed trap once you pass the Fun Barn or outside of Logan (end rant and hatred of my speed trap history)


I am fairly certain US33 is up to 70mph at points. I am fairly certain also from my experience playing for a current Northern Lakes League team and scrimmaged Toledo Central Catholic etc. the region as a whole produces a couple Big Ten players then 8-10 MAC level players. In my time we had 2 MAC guys per class and this was at a D1 High School. I don't know how to say it its not talent rich full of FBS prospects.

Agree some of the rural conferences like the Midwest Athletic Conference punch above their weight because of a high rate of HS participation in football and no Soccer team or other distractions compared to the urban HS environment. There is an occassional AJ Ouellette perferred walk-on diamond in the rough to be found. Another notice about BG's roster is they had guys from programs of yesteryear like Fremont Ross and Sandusky Perkins who don't contend at the top of their conference anymore.

The MAC program in Ohio with the advantage is Miami with its proximity to Cincinnati and Dayton. Then they have points west like Indianapolis, Louisville and St. Louis they can tap into regionally with little G5 competition. Bowling Green did pull heavy from Michigan and Illinois but seemingly has to rely on more local guys recently. Ohio stepping up this recruiting class across the Midwest says our brand is gaining traction.


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   Posted: 1/3/2024 10:59:01 AM 
Campus Flow wrote:
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Campus Flow wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Ohio was making solid progress towards having strong ties to high schools across the state, and their remote camps in places like Cincy and Cleveland were well attended. Unfortunately, the NCAA banned schools from having off-campus coaching camps, and that, as they say, killed that. It's a lot easier for Cincy or Miami to attract Cincinnati area players to a football camp that it is to get those kids to come all the way to Athens for a football camp. The same holds true for the Cleveland area. Akron and Kent State are going to have a lot better chance of getting a NE Ohio player into their camps than Ohio is.

That change didn't kill Ohio's in-state recruiting, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Ohio has had to change and adapt with the times, and that means that the number of in-state recruits goes up and down, and Ohio has to do their best to get the best players they can from anywhere in the country (or world) that they can.


It makes it tough considering OU is in the one corner of the state without a major metro area producing D-1 kids consistently, which means you have to latch your fortunes to Columbus, which in itself is a recruiting bloodbath already for any and all schools. Unfortunately, recruiting in-state is always going to be an uphill. Consistently winning and taking advantage of kids transferring from P5 schools back home appears to be options that are viable to us, but competing for kids straight out of HS to recruit to OU is always going to be a challenge.

Exactly. Not impossible, but an uphill battle. When Ohio could conduct coaching camps in Cincinnati and Cleveland, the field was more even.


We haven't brought the camps up as a subject on here in a long time but I'm skeptical of the lower in-state numbers have a lot to do with no longer running them as they were only permissible for a few years. That and 90% of Ohio students don't attend from the immediate region anyways. With the highways today all the major in-state recruiting areas are within 2-3 hours.

Watching Ohio play BG this year I couldn't help but note the number of Northwest Ohio players on the roster. Northwest Ohio is a mediocre football recruiting territory. I don't know if it says a lot to load up on in-state players at the G5 level in the state of Ohio.


Depends on where you go to in NW Ohio. If they're getting recruits from Toledo CC and from the NLL suburban schools, along with farm boys that play in the Midwest Athletic Conference, then they can be a solid team. Not great but solid. What makes Bowling Green a load and a half is when they combine that with good Columbus/I-75 talent that they can occasionally get.

Toledo MO's recruiting historically has been get the best of the area, go over the state-lines heavily into Michigan, and because of the program's coaching ties to Mount Union, they can walk into Western PA and get kids too. And even then, that happened prior as they always valued the Western PA kids as well.

As to the driving logic, it's a heckuva lot easier to convince kids from Cleveland to take the turnpike to Toledo than it is to get off I-77, veer onto US-50, and drive like grandma because of either orange barrels or the number of local sheriff's sitting on that road. Sorry guys, even as a NW Ohio kid here myself, even I could recruit against that and annihilate Ohio in those regards. With no roads that are 70mph into Athens, distance will always be a battle for OU, especially when it comes to the family coming to games. Jokingly, if we could fundraise for anything, it would be to figure out how to make Routes 33, Route 50, and Route 32 all major highways clocking 70mph at all points from a major metro or from I-77. As we can all relate to, that drive from Columbus to Athens has sped up significantly since they put in the bypass. Would love to see more of that work being done, especially the stupid speed trap once you pass the Fun Barn or outside of Logan (end rant and hatred of my speed trap history)


I am fairly certain US33 is up to 70mph at points. I am fairly certain also from my experience playing for a current Northern Lakes League team and scrimmaged Toledo Central Catholic etc. the region as a whole produces a couple Big Ten players then 8-10 MAC level players. In my time we had 2 MAC guys per class and this was at a D1 High School. I don't know how to say it its not talent rich full of FBS prospects.

Agree some of the rural conferences like the Midwest Athletic Conference punch above their weight because of a high rate of HS participation in football and no Soccer team or other distractions compared to the urban HS environment. There is an occassional AJ Ouellette perferred walk-on diamond in the rough to be found. Another notice about BG's roster is they had guys from programs of yesteryear like Fremont Ross and Sandusky Perkins who don't contend at the top of their conference anymore.

The MAC program in Ohio with the advantage is Miami with its proximity to Cincinnati and Dayton. Then they have points west like Indianapolis, Louisville and St. Louis they can tap into regionally with little G5 competition. Bowling Green did pull heavy from Michigan and Illinois but seemingly has to rely on more local guys recently. Ohio stepping up this recruiting class across the Midwest says our brand is gaining traction.


+1 on all fronts

At least that's 2 Big Ten and 10 MAC Level players in NW Ohio. Not sure we can say the same for the entirety of SE Ohio. Plus the Detroit metro is under an hour away to add to that talent pool where EMU can't lock up its backyard.

Miami should be historically the best in everything in the MAC best on the territory it sits. It's been talked about on here if they just recruited the Diamond alone they should be among the best in the MAC (Limaland: including MAC Country-Columbus-Louisville/Cincinnati-Indianapolis). The fact that their basketball program is atrocious is another level of what is wrong with Miami.

As to driving, yeah it has 70 mph at points, but that transition from out of Columbus to Lancaster is still another 10-15 minutes to a drive without rush hour. Like I said, me being greedy on making all roads to Athens like the autobahn, but still is extra time.
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   Posted: 1/3/2024 12:57:38 PM 
A lot of the discussion here makes it clear why long term MAC winning records are the way they are. Ohio, in addition to having a disadvantage of less recruits in their natural recruiting area, does also have a recruiting advantage. The school bears the name of the state, which gives it a certain amount of automatic statewide credibility, but that only helps if they are able to leverage it by having a winning tradition. It becomes sort of a chicken-egg situation. If Ohio can win, they can keep credibility, and keep winning, but if they start losing, the credibility can vanish, and regaining it may be a challenge.

In any case, here is the long term winning percentage for MAC teams:
Miami .596
CMU .587
BG .565
Toledo .561
WMU .553
NIU .535
Ball St .509
Ohio .508
Akron .471
EMU .443
Buffalo .425
Kent St .384

As the enlightening discussion from Buckeye to Bobcat and Campus Flow would predict, the top teams are mostly either in the Cincinnati/Dayton/Indianapolis area, or in the NW Ohio/Chicago/Michigan area.


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