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cbarber357
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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/21/2024 3:53:39 PM

Indiana’s clear problem against the big dogs is controlling the line of scrimmage. Kurtis had no time in the pocket against Ohio State if he didn’t throw it immediately. It was a little better against Penn State last night, but they couldn’t run the ball at all. I don’t think Kurtis had anything to do with those losses.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 5:16:38 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

cbarber357 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That’s an OHIO grad that you’re trying to take shots at.

Has nothing to do with Rourke. In fact proud of him. It Indiana was not that good

It is also ok to point out that Kurtis Rourke has never won a big game in his entire career. Convince me I am wrong. Name a big game he won. I can name you several Parker Navarro won. Heck, I can gibe CJ Harris a big win.

Iowa State, literally last year.

Bryce Houston, Keye Thompson and the defense. Literally last year.

16-32 just over 100+. He took care of the ball and the defense definitely brought it home.

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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/21/2024 5:46:48 PM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That’s an OHIO grad that you’re trying to take shots at.

I don’t think he’s taking a shot. Indiana is not a playoff team. They proved it today. It doesn’t mean I don’t like Rourke. He’s a good player. His team got in the big dance by virtue of an easy schedule. They got waxed tonight. No agenda here. My daughter is a Hoosier. I was rooting for them. Just facing a hard truth.

Love Rourke. Love Indiana’s turnaround. Cig’s shtick wore thin pretty quick. I do love a brash personality, but you have to be factual in your brashness. WE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF TOP 25 TEAMS.

My brother… you played one Top 25 (now two) and they beat the shit out of you. You just look goofy.

Last Edited: 12/21/2024 5:47:28 PM by M.D.W.S.T

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Posted: 12/21/2024 9:34:46 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That’s an OHIO grad that you’re trying to take shots at.

Exactly!!!!! 💯.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 9:47:43 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

cbarber357 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That’s an OHIO grad that you’re trying to take shots at.

Has nothing to do with Rourke. In fact proud of him. It Indiana was not that good

Iowa State, literally last year.

Bryce Houston, Keye Thompson and the defense. Literally last year.

16-32 just over 100+. He took care of the ball and the defense definitely brought it home.

Also ran for almost 60 on 7 carries. In a field position battle, that was important.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 9:49:03 PM

cbarber357 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

cbarber357 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That’s an OHIO grad that you’re trying to take shots at.

Has nothing to do with Rourke. In fact proud of him. It Indiana was not that good

Iowa State, literally last year.

Bryce Houston, Keye Thompson and the defense. Literally last year.

16-32 just over 100+. He took care of the ball and the defense definitely brought it home.

Also ran for almost 60 on 7 carries. In a field position battle, that was important.

Sorry I didn’t quote his rush stats. Like I said, no turnovers and he managed the game. That’s quality.

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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 1/2/2025 12:45:27 PM

Oregon proved that they didn't belong in the playoff.

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Posted: 1/2/2025 4:11:08 PM

Victory wrote:

Oregon proved that they didn't belong in the playoff.

I think Ohio State is determined to prove that they are the best team in the country. Oregon is solid. OSU is on fire. A super-talented team that is playing their best, most inspired football. I'm not their fan - but I will admit when I see something this exceptional. When they will win it all (possibly in a romp) I won't be shocked.

Last Edited: 1/2/2025 4:11:45 PM by El Gato Roberto

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Posted: 1/3/2025 9:52:47 AM

Georgia didn't belong either.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 10:24:08 AM

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

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Posted: 1/3/2025 10:30:02 AM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

Gunner Stockton - sweet name - was nearly a Top 100 recruit (110) though, he's no slouch.

Nobody belongs after a loss. People are up in arms and I love it. If you don't win... then you don't win. This happens all the time in the ncaa tournament. Sometimes the best team doesn't win. ND played elite defense, elite special teams. They earned the shit out of that W.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 10:46:42 AM

What I like about UND is the one "L" on their record. It would be cool if they won the national championship with that only loss to a MAC school intact.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 10:48:17 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

What I like about UND is the one "L" on their record. It would be cool if they won the national championship with that only loss to a MAC school intact.

Was thinking the same.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 10:54:41 AM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

What I like about UND is the one "L" on their record. It would be cool if they won the national championship with that only loss to a MAC school intact.

Was thinking the same.

A similar thing almost happened years ago, when Northwestern won the Big10, and its only regular season loss was to MOFO. They, however, lost the Rose Bowl to USC.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 11:38:32 AM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

I'm not arguing that Indiana did belong. I understand the arguments against them. I definitely think that Indiana's resume was better than those left out. Going 11-1 against Indiana's schedule is tougher to do than going 9-3 against Alabama's, and as I have said, the actual outcome of games has to matter a lot and not mearly who we think is better where the actual outcome of close games would barely matter. That is NOT saying that win-loss record is what should matter. Alabama's schedule is a lot harder. That is not nearly as lopsided as a comparison as it at first sounds. What has to matter, and matter a lot, is just what I said. Which win-loss record was harder to achieve. Indiana wins that comparison still. Winning all those games against good, but not top ten teams, is not given. Top ten teams drop those games constantly. The case in point is all the teams that were left out kept dropping them. Now, I do think Alabama would have been favored to beat Indiana and I am OK with that being part of, but certainly not all of, the equation and would have been OK with Alabama being in over Indiana.

My point is the unbelievable double standard here. I think it is gatekeeping. Imagine if Alabama had a season where they pummeled a schedule full of Vanderbilts and Oklahomas while going 11-1 with a loss to Texas while Indiana beat Penn State and Ohio State while dropping three games to Nebraska, Rutgers, and Minnesota. Alabama would be put in the playoff in that situation and nobody argues with it and nobody would take the completely irrelevant ex post facto data point of Alabama losing in the first round as an argument for Indiana just like we didn't for blue bloods like Oregon and Georgia. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

I'm on record weeks ago saying that IMO this committee didn't weigh strength of schedule enough. I also believe counting quality wins is another form of gatekeeping. When it comes to the basketball tournament obviously a P5 team has more opportunities. What matters is not quality wins but how many wins SHOULD a tournament calibur team be expected to have against that schedule. Also, beating Georgia while losing to Vanderbilt is no more or less impressive, no more or less a good indication of how good you are based on historical data, that doing the opposite. Indiana's 11-1 record WAS more impressive than all the teams left out. It just was. That's why they were put in. While that maybe doesn't have to be everything actually winning games has to matter otherwise we are living in a world where the actual outcome of close games won't matter if we just pick the teams that would be favored to beat the other teams by the oddsmakers.

Last Edited: 1/3/2025 12:16:55 PM by Victory

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Posted: 1/3/2025 11:50:32 AM

Victory wrote:

I'm on record weeks ago saying that IMO this committee didn't weigh strength of schedule enough. I also believe counting quality wins is another form of gatekeeping. When it comes to the basketball tournament obviously a P5 team has more opportunities. What matters is not quality wins but how many wins SHOULD a tournament calibur team be expected to have against that schedule. Also, beating Georgia while losing to Vanderbilt is no more or less impressive, no more or less a good indication of how good you are based on historical data, that doing the opposite. Indiana's 11-1 record WAS more impressive than all the teams left out. I just was. That's why they were put in. While that maybe doesn't have to be everything actually winning games has to matter otherwise we are living in a world where the actual outcome of close games won't matter if we just pick the teams that would be favored to beat the other teams by the oddsmakers.

There was a moment during the CFP rankings where the committee completely contradicted themselves and nobody batted an eye about it. I wish I could remember the teams involved, but Team A had a quality win over Team B, but then Team C (who beat Team A on the field) was ruled to have a bad loss to Team B, so it knocked them down a peg so the on field results between A & C didn't even matter. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? It's like they look at the team's you've beat schedules more than your own and play this hypothetical BS narrative.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 11:59:43 AM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

Worth pointing out former Bobcat Torrie Cox made some big plays for Illinois this year at corner, including in their bowl game.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 3:09:42 PM

T Cox at Illinois, Kurtis at Indiana and to some extent M Cross at Indiana all were pretty successful. Jacoby Jones the last part of the year did a nice job at UCF, but didn't play a bunch the first part of the season. Keye Thompson at Pitt started out the first 2-3 games playing well, but injuries prevented him from playing alot of snaps later in the year.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 4:34:46 PM

I believe that N. Illinois beating ND might have been the best thing that happened to the Irish. Every game after that loss, in a sense, was a playoff game for ND. Freeman and Co. knew they couldn't afford another loss and make the playoffs. They have been playing with focus and determination since. We'll see if it continues next week in Miami.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 5:13:29 PM

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If Notre Dame wins the national championship game, I say we claim the championship.

Notre Dame lost at home to NIU - NIU is in the MAC - we won the MAC.

Put the banner next to the MAC title one and the C-USA champion banner we hang for beating Jacksonville State.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 5:21:51 PM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

"Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts" - Really not facts. That is an opinion.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 5:50:16 PM

cbarber357 wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

I had a discussion with a friend a few years ago as to if any FBS/1A team had ever managed to defeat a top team lose to a bottom ten team in the same season. This seemed unlikely because it is hard to get a top 10 rank with a bad loss and vice versa. We tried from memory, coming up with teams with a good win and a bad loss, but though it was unlikely that it had happened. I wrote a program to run through all of the data in my complete database, not answering exactly that question because it is hard to know by what standard you are measuring top ten and bottom ten, there are different ways, but to ask who had the biggest differences between their best win as worst loss, and look for candidates among those.

Prior to this year the biggest difference was about 39 points. It was another MAC team in 2021 Bowling Green. They beat a top 25 by some measures, but not top 10 by hardly any if any measure, Minnesota team that at 9-4 was 28th in points in the final AP poll. Bowling Green lost to a 2-10 Akron team that was bottom 10 in nearly all if not all measures. There weren't any other candidates that were really any closer than that.

But NIU is going to break this record. The difference between playing @ND and playing @Ball State would be somewhere around 6 touchdowns and they managed to win the hard one and lose the easy one. ND is going to be a top ten team by just about any if not all measures. Ball State probably isn't a bottom ten team by most measures but they are close to being so in the vast majority and would be by some measures. So we might now get an affirmative answer, depending on who you ask, to the question as to if a team has ever done that.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 5:57:14 PM

Jeff Hill wrote:

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

"Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts" - Really not facts. That is an opinion.

I feel quite confident Illinois is more that a touchdown underdog and quite possibly double digit. But who knows who would win. I'm sure one team would win some of the time and another some of the time.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 7:13:36 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

Yes. I agree that ND is playing very well. My point is that IU had a ridiculously easy schedule.

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Posted: 1/3/2025 7:15:00 PM

Jeff Hill wrote:

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Victory wrote:

Georgia didn't belong either.

they hung in there with a thrid string QB.
(Indiana didn't belong...get over it...Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts)

"Illinois could have beaten Indiana had they played...just facts" - Really not facts. That is an opinion.

You’re right. I retract my ridiculous comment. It’s my opinion.

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