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   Posted: 1/7/2023 7:26:41 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Sam Towns double-double incoming.


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   Posted: 1/7/2023 7:31:16 PM 
A-townBound wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
Wish Sam would’ve stayed one more year


Russ mentioned during the game that there were some spicy/heated moments between Towns and Bobcats. He added, that as far as he knew, there was no bad blood in the parting ways.

Side note - the color scheme of that court is awful.


He flipped off the ou bench and fans after first 2 buckets.
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   Posted: 1/7/2023 7:40:03 PM 
SBH wrote:
A-townBound wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
Wish Sam would’ve stayed one more year


Russ mentioned during the game that there were some spicy/heated moments between Towns and Bobcats. He added, that as far as he knew, there was no bad blood in the parting ways.

Side note - the color scheme of that court is awful.


He flipped off the ou bench and fans after first 2 buckets.


"Winning team/Losing team" chant type antics from the court? Juz sayin.....

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   Posted: 1/7/2023 9:02:02 PM 
RSBobcat wrote:
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Major changes need to be made in who gets playing time. AJB more. EJ more. BRod less. Baker Less. Hunter Less. Ajay more. The rest of the guys on the bench more. Shake things up. What you are doing isn't working.


Or maybe more practice time for All focused on valuing possessions - better/smarter passing, securing the ball, fighting for loose balls, etc.



That, too!

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   Posted: 1/8/2023 10:13:16 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Major changes need to be made in who gets playing time. AJB more. EJ more. BRod less. Baker Less. Hunter Less. Ajay more. The rest of the guys on the bench more. Shake things up. What you are doing isn't working.


I think you’re right. Hunter has more turnovers than assists last two games and is averaging 3 a game. If Boals isn’t ready to turn the keys over the Sheldon; I’d just let Miles bring the ball up and start EJ4 at this point. Miles might not be a facilitator, but he takes better care of the ball.

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   Posted: 1/8/2023 10:16:36 AM 
Missed the game. I didn’t think an 0-5 MAC start was actually possible, but it seems like it’s on the table now. I know we lost some firepower in the portal; however, I‘m still pretty surprised by the drop off on our caliber of play.

We’re still only two seasons removed from beating Virginia in the tourney and it seems like we’re going backwards.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Bowling Green
   Posted: 1/8/2023 10:26:43 AM 
Didn't get to watch this one, bummed about that because I wanted to see Towns and how he would approach this game. Sounds like he came with a little extra and rightly so. He would be a perfect PF for us right now.

Towns > Wiz, end of story.

AJ Clayton with only 11 minutes? Wow. Did not see that coming.
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   Posted: 1/8/2023 11:03:36 AM 
RSBobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
A-townBound wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
Wish Sam would’ve stayed one more year


Russ mentioned during the game that there were some spicy/heated moments between Towns and Bobcats. He added, that as far as he knew, there was no bad blood in the parting ways.

Side note - the color scheme of that court is awful.


He flipped off the ou bench and fans after first 2 buckets.


"Winning team/Losing team" chant type antics from the court? Juz sayin.....



Apples to oranges. Winning team losing team is not an obscene gesture. Flipping the bird is. Just sayin…

(Also any obscene gestures from the fans / bench would be unacceptable as well, but did not hear see any last night)

I was in the section behind the bench and can confirm it was directed at the bench for some reason.

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   Posted: 1/8/2023 11:32:10 AM 
I think Clayton only got 11 minutes because he looked lost even during those 11 minutes he got. IF Boals is going to get thumped this year playing the “vets” (Hunter-Baker-BRod, etc.) I would start to look to the future and start to play AJB, Elmore Sheldon, Hadaway with significant minutes and take the lumps with youth.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Bowling Green
   Posted: 1/8/2023 11:35:21 AM 
Kind of a weird game for a few reasons. First and foremost, it was weird that it was close because it never felt like the Cats were in it, even when trailing by only four at the break and even when taking the lead in the second half. Just felt like an inevitable loss the whole time because Ohio never seemed to match the intensity of BG, BG got so many better looks and Ohio just doesn't have a go-to scorer beyond Wilson, who was doubled and tripled all night. Also weird because BG's students are still on break so the atmosphere suffered a bit.

I can see why people are down on this board. Our team has talent but none of it is dominant, the team lacks cohesiveness and direction and we're giving meaningful minutes to guys who are not even MAC-bench-level talented. There's enough talent on the team to keep things from feeling hopeless but Boals needs to figure a lot of things out with respect to the lineup and future.
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   Posted: 1/8/2023 12:23:40 PM 
Towns flipped off the team first, then it appeared he did the same to a fan/fans behind us -- I was in the first row behind bench. He acted like a punk much of the night. He'd fit right in on an Akron team.

Having seen this team up close and personal a couple of times, I can't believe we'll qualify for a first round bye in the MAC tourney. In fact, we might not make it to Cleveland.

Sad to say, because I've defended him in the past, but Wiz is barely a project level contributor. It was interesting to watch Boals's expression during some of Wiz's really bad streaks last night. You can tell he's resigned to the fact that #11 was a recruiting miss.

Not surprised Clayton was benched. Guy has zero intensity. He shows no signs of improvement over his promising freshman year.

Is IJ really hurt or are they redshirting him for strategic reasons? If he's not hurt, we've apparently thrown in the towel on 2022-23.

AJ Brown is a defensive liability and does not hit the boards...but one of our only offensive threats.

BRod was not bad yesterday. He's the only vocal leader we seem to have.

This is not the Dwight Wilson of the past. It's obvious he's nervous about his knee, which helps explain his inability to finish at the rim.

Elmore James needs to play a lot more. Frankly, Olumide needs minutes, too. At least he brings energy and athleticism.

I'd like to think this team can come together and overperform but we're missing too many pieces. I don't like the trajectory of the program.

As for BG, Huger has done a great job with that team.






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   Posted: 1/8/2023 12:30:50 PM 
Wis just needs to stay in the circle, period.
His role should be to rebound, period.
His slow footwork is a liability when he ventures out to the 3 point line.





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   Posted: 1/8/2023 3:15:54 PM 
SBH wrote:
Towns flipped off the team first, then it appeared he did the same to a fan/fans behind us -- I was in the first row behind bench. He acted like a punk much of the night. He'd fit right in on an Akron team.

Having seen this team up close and personal a couple of times, I can't believe we'll qualify for a first round bye in the MAC tourney. In fact, we might not make it to Cleveland.

Sad to say, because I've defended him in the past, but Wiz is barely a project level contributor. It was interesting to watch Boals's expression during some of Wiz's really bad streaks last night. You can tell he's resigned to the fact that #11 was a recruiting miss.

Not surprised Clayton was benched. Guy has zero intensity. He shows no signs of improvement over his promising freshman year.

Is IJ really hurt or are they redshirting him for strategic reasons? If he's not hurt, we've apparently thrown in the towel on 2022-23.

AJ Brown is a defensive liability and does not hit the boards...but one of our only offensive threats.

BRod was not bad yesterday. He's the only vocal leader we seem to have.

This is not the Dwight Wilson of the past. It's obvious he's nervous about his knee, which helps explain his inability to finish at the rim.

Elmore James needs to play a lot more. Frankly, Olumide needs minutes, too. At least he brings energy and athleticism.

I'd like to think this team can come together and overperform but we're missing too many pieces. I don't like the trajectory of the program.

As for BG, Huger has done a great job with that team.





+1

Massive concerns the rest of the way for this season and 2023-2024. Let's face it...we don't have a center (who knows what IJ will become??) or a PG right now on this roster for next season. Sorry, Hunter isn't a PG. He doesn't distribute enough to be a PG, doesn't shoot well enough to be a shooting guard and isn't big enough to be a small forward. His passing and decision making skills make Mark Sears look like Chris Paul.

I wasn't kidding a month ago when I said an 0-5 start in conference play was realistic. Boals has to stop rotating guys every 2 minutes and 30 seconds....it's absolutely maddening. He started doing this three minutes in against Belmont and it hasn't stopped.

BRod gets 25 minutes a game and Elmore gets 10 minutes per game. It should be reversed. Start playing for the future and take the leash off Elmore and let's see what we have. The glimpses that we've seen over last six games are encouraging.

I would have AJ Clayton come off the bench. He is passive and low energy. Have no idea why he's not more impactful. Clayton not playing well really handcuffs this team. When he's engaged like he was against Delaware, this team is obviously better. When he's not engaged, we are screwed. And for the most of the year, we've been screwed. How many games has he gone to the half with 3 points or less?

Baker is what he is. Shoots a ton...doesn't make a ton. Makes terrible decisions (see end of Michigan game regulation and end of Bowling Green with 30 seconds left). Sorry...but this one hit wonder is a whiff for Boals and nobody can tell me differently. Boals needed Hunter and Baker to not struggle as transfers, but unfortunately that's what he's getting.

Somebody needs to explain how Chris Mack gave the Whiz a full scholarship at Louisville? I guess we can understand more why Chris Mack is no longer the coach at Louisville. Boals expressions are telling when it comes to his play, but hey, he recruited him to Athens.

As I said from day one, I've been a Boals guy from the moment he put on the Ohio uniform. But he gets judged just like every other coach before him. Recruiting misses are starting to show some ugly warts right now. The end of season collapse last year and the lack of "team" ball this year has been incredibly disappointing. We beat Virginia in the NCAA Tournament in 2021 and two years later it looks like we are going to struggle just to make the MAC Tournament? That should never, ever happen.

With all this said, it still wouldn't surprise me if we beat Ball State Tuesday night. Call it a gut feeling or channeling the eternal optimist in me.







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   Posted: 1/8/2023 7:19:06 PM 
For some reason I want to say we aren't as bad as it seems. I think the complete lack of any consistency from anybody just makes it feel all that worse?

Ton of conference games left so I'm going to try and stay even-keeled until we're at least half way through.
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   Posted: 1/8/2023 7:44:40 PM 
I’ve seen a few people in here say that AJ Brown is a Liability on defense hopefully we all do understand that he is a Freshman and has been guarding the best players on each team the last few games and many of the shots that are being scored on him are because our upperclassmen guards can’t stay in front of somebody and he has to help off his assignments on defense which will lead to a late close-out and made shot.

AJ does need to work on getting more rebounds but the truth is if we do not have him we would be way worse.
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   Posted: 1/8/2023 11:43:08 PM 
Bobcatfan10 wrote:
I’ve seen a few people in here say that AJ Brown is a Liability on defense hopefully we all do understand that he is a Freshman and has been guarding the best players on each team the last few games and many of the shots that are being scored on him are because our upperclassmen guards can’t stay in front of somebody and he has to help off his assignments on defense which will lead to a late close-out and made shot.

AJ does need to work on getting more rebounds but the truth is if we do not have him we would be way worse.


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   Posted: 1/9/2023 7:26:10 AM 
Kaden Metheny scored 25 points.

Which of OUr guys were tasked with guarding him?

As for going OH and Five. Just a reminder that as bad as OHIO results have been at BGSU, I feel Kent fans would say the same about Kent's results in Athens.

OHIO will be no worse than 1-3 after 4. (as long as the team that played Delaware shows up for 1 of the 2)!
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 7:32:33 AM 
SBH wrote:
Towns flipped off the team first, then it appeared he did the same to a fan/fans behind us -- I was in the first row behind bench. He acted like a punk much of the night. He'd fit right in on an Akron team.

Having seen this team up close and personal a couple of times, I can't believe we'll qualify for a first round bye in the MAC tourney. In fact, we might not make it to Cleveland.

Sad to say, because I've defended him in the past, but Wiz is barely a project level contributor. It was interesting to watch Boals's expression during some of Wiz's really bad streaks last night. You can tell he's resigned to the fact that #11 was a recruiting miss.

Not surprised Clayton was benched. Guy has zero intensity. He shows no signs of improvement over his promising freshman year.

Is IJ really hurt or are they redshirting him for strategic reasons? If he's not hurt, we've apparently thrown in the towel on 2022-23.

AJ Brown is a defensive liability and does not hit the boards...but one of our only offensive threats.

BRod was not bad yesterday. He's the only vocal leader we seem to have.

This is not the Dwight Wilson of the past. It's obvious he's nervous about his knee, which helps explain his inability to finish at the rim.

Elmore James needs to play a lot more. Frankly, Olumide needs minutes, too. At least he brings energy and athleticism.

I'd like to think this team can come together and overperform but we're missing too many pieces. I don't like the trajectory of the program.

As for BG, Huger has done a great job with that team.








I agree immensely with the EJ4 needing more time as well as Adelodun. Adelodun is such an anomaly to me. It seems that Boals took a flyer on him even though COVID took away his senior year. Whenever he has played the last 2 years I find myself thinking "he should be playing more." I fear that Olumide is our next Sam Towns: a guy Boals, for some reason, didn't feel like developing but who will go elsewhere and make it. I always thought Sam brought more energy than a guy like Carter but he never made it into the lineup. Olumide seems that way as well.

I don't know if Sheldon is the answer at PG. I truly think that A.J. Brown should be bringing the ball up, or Miles.

Finally, I don't understand anyone hating on B-Rod. All the dude has done is have great body language, hustle his butt off and play hard. His shot is better than last year and he is the only guy I see out there talking. OUr guys just don't seem to like playing together on the floor. I'm not saying they dislike each other, but you don't see crisp passes to each other and other than entry passes to Dwight, you don't see great ball movement. I thought this team would share the ball better than the ballstoppers we had last year but it's been the opposite.

I still have faith in Boals but if this team is sub-500 and loses in the first round of the MAC Tournament, it will wane.
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 9:13:09 AM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:

Finally, I don't understand anyone hating on B-Rod. All the dude has done is have great body language, hustle his butt off and play hard. His shot is better than last year and he is the only guy I see out there talking.


I agree with your whole take, but I think the answer is pretty clear on this one. B-Rod was incredible his sophomore year and had a trajectory that realistically suggested All-MAC in his junior season. He then went out and had a worse season than he did as a freshman, and that sophomore B-Rod has yet to reappear. I don't know anything about his health or state of mind so I have no clue as to how or why it happened. But as a fan, regression is painful to watch (see also: Good Ivo, bad Ivo).
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 9:23:49 AM 
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Bobcat1998 wrote:

Finally, I don't understand anyone hating on B-Rod. All the dude has done is have great body language, hustle his butt off and play hard. His shot is better than last year and he is the only guy I see out there talking.


I agree with your whole take, but I think the answer is pretty clear on this one. B-Rod was incredible his sophomore year and had a trajectory that realistically suggested All-MAC in his junior season. He then went out and had a worse season than he did as a freshman, and that sophomore B-Rod has yet to reappear. I don't know anything about his health or state of mind so I have no clue as to how or why it happened. But as a fan, regression is painful to watch (see also: Good Ivo, bad Ivo).


Agree with Recovering Journalist. For the last 50 games, BRod has been one of the worst three point shooters in the country for a guy averaging 20 minutes per game and that's not even debatable. Just look at the numbers. Nobody is questioning if BRod is a fantastic dude and teammate....I'm sure he is. However, he shouldn't be out there in the final six minutes of games during crunch time. At some point you have to make shots when that is a big part of your game. It really feels like the last three he made was the dagger against Virginia late in the 2021 NCAA Tournament. Since then, it's been one hell of a ride on the struggle bus from three-point land for BRod.

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   Posted: 1/9/2023 9:45:48 AM 
I haven't watched the game yet. Not sure if I will at this point. I agree with others here that Adelodun and EJ4 need to play more. I would be ok with Adelodun getting a bunch of time at the 4 spot. If nothing else, he will hustle for rebounds and play tough defense. Both are things that this team needs badly.
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 9:54:19 AM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Kaden Metheny scored 25 points.

Which of OUr guys were tasked with guarding him?

As for going OH and Five. Just a reminder that as bad as OHIO results have been at BGSU, I feel Kent fans would say the same about Kent's results in Athens.

OHIO will be no worse than 1-3 after 4. (as long as the team that played Delaware shows up for 1 of the 2)!


Kent's gonna beat us by 12-15.
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 9:58:42 AM 
I've been a MAC hoops fan long enough (and most of you have too) to know this is not as catastrophic as you're all making it out to be. Let's not forget what our expectations were. We lost our 3 best players...all 3 of which have succeeded at the highest levels of college basketball. This fact alone should have tampered our expectations a bit, especially early on.

But even skipping past all that...we had 2 close road losses to 2 middle-of-the-road MAC teams. We had a shot to tie Buffalo at the end and we led BG at the under 4 timeout. You can almost set your calendar to BA meltdowns for when Ohio has a 2-3 game road trip against decent MAC teams where we all panic. Then we all swoon and dream after we get a few nice wins at home.

I'd like to give our guys a chance to even things up at home before panic sets in.

As for the game, this felt less frustrating than the Buffalo game. I thought BG played really well...took care of the ball and hit their free throws. Not sure any team in the MAC would have beaten them on Saturday. It really came down to taking care of the ball as BG was +9 on turnovers.

AJ ended up playing 32 minutes so I can't criticize his playing time. He struggled to finish in the 2nd half, ended up 6 for 16 from the field.

Wiz was really bad again, 2 rough ones to start his MAC career. He is a moving screen machine. Let's stop having him move so much, just get him on the post. He rebounds and finished pretty well but man he is rough outside the paint.

Clayton only 11 minutes likely due to coach feeling like Roderick had it working so he rolled with him. B-rod had a good game.

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   Posted: 1/9/2023 10:00:27 AM 
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Towns flipped off the team first, then it appeared he did the same to a fan/fans behind us -- I was in the first row behind bench. He acted like a punk much of the night.


This is upsetting. We never know the full story but I can't imagine why he felt that was necessary.

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   Posted: 1/9/2023 10:57:33 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I've been a MAC hoops fan long enough (and most of you have too) to know this is not as catastrophic as you're all making it out to be. Let's not forget what our expectations were. We lost our 3 best players...all 3 of which have succeeded at the highest levels of college basketball. This fact alone should have tampered our expectations a bit, especially early on.


I didn't have the highest of hopes, but I did expect the team to have some kind of identity and clear direction by now. They have neither. They don't have rotations that work. We can all agree that lots of minutes are not being allocated correctly. There's talent on the team but the team feels like an unfocused mess and we're too late in the season for that to be acceptable.

And in some ways it's worse that they're not just awful. They're a team that can hammer Delaware on the road or lose by what seemed like 100 against Florida. They can hang with Michigan or get run out of the gym by 6-11 Detroit. The Jekyll and Hyde were on full display Saturday. They clawed into the lead with a lot of heart and then absolutely shriveled in crunch time.
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