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SBH
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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 10:07:57 AM

Under 8 minutes, in fact.

That combo would have helped late in yesterday's game, IMO.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 10:08:26 AM by SBH

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 10:12:15 AM

That final foul on Wiz was a phantom one. Did you look at the replay? Did you see the reaction of Coach Boals? Even the homer announcers were saying it looked a flop. All I could think of when he missed those shots is, "Ball don't lie."

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 10:16:17 AM

JimLurker34 wrote:

That gets called 10/10 times though. When a 7 footer races towards a wide open shooter at the top of the key and bumps him before he lands, its a foul. Horrible decision by Wiz to try to close out that hard. The one thing you can't do is foul in that situation.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 10:28:26 AM

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

[QUOTE=Andrew Ruck]

Did you guys see the ONE TIME Clayton backed a defender down in the paint and converted an "and one" with ease? And then it didn't happen again? Do I just need to accept this is the way it is and stop bitching about it? Nah, I'm gonna keep doing it. I know part of it is the design from Boals, but I still maintain he does not have the confidence and swagger that he should have in the paint. He needs to channel his inner-Dwight Wilson and take that damn thing to the hoop with confidence.

And again, I know every broadcaster oozes about his quick release, but if someone did a deep dive on his 3 pt % on quick release (aka rushed) threes it would be abysmal. And his normal looking threes that he takes a moment to line up would be an elite percent. I feel like Clayton could be truly elite with some calibration adjustments. Add to it that he skipped a year of HS, AND played for a truly awful HS program...it just makes you wonder what could've been with this guy.

He's doing what Boals wants him to do, period. Boals sees him as a BVP type of player.

I think we all hope AJC can be (and see the potential) a BVP type of player, but the comparison isn't really close. I'll just leave the two BBR pages here to show that.

BVP had a much more balanced approach offensively in comparison to AJC.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ben-vanderpl...
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aj-clayton-1...

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 10:31:15 AM by FJC31

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 11:44:26 AM

I'll just say this....

- Welcome Back Jaylin. HUGE game.
- Hadaway first career double-double.
- Tough to win on the road in OT anywhere at any level.
- I dont know if it was a Boals plan or just Basheer Jihad playing badly - but the gameplan worked. Buddy couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. Hadaway is really come into his own. Exciting stuff.
- How we won a basketball game where we gave up NINETEEN OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS is absolutely insane.
- Clayton - again - led the team in 3 point attempts (1-7). At this point we're used to it, and he generally makes quite a few, but it just underlines how we have absolutely zero inside presence. Thank the lord for Hadaway figuring out how good he can be.
- The Wizard of Fouls had 5 in 15 mins. Just a tremendous rate at this point.

This Arkansas State game is basically a scrimmage at this point in the season. We don't need any more road games, but - pardon my coach speak - every game is a chance to get better. ESPN Analytics is showing 57% ASU chance of victory.

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JimLurker34 wrote:

Wiz averages nearly NINE fouls per 100 possessions. The next closest is Sheldon with 6.9. AJB is the only person on the team who averages more than 6.

He turns the ball over 17% of the time per 100 possessions.

No matter how many Wiznitzer family members come in here and say HES TRYING HIS BEST will change his alarming pace of leading the team in nearly every negative category. It's wild.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 11:52:15 AM by M.D.W.S.T

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 12:04:28 PM

FJC31 wrote:

SBH wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Did you guys see the ONE TIME Clayton backed a defender down in the paint and converted an "and one" with ease? And then it didn't happen again? Do I just need to accept this is the way it is and stop bitching about it? Nah, I'm gonna keep doing it. I know part of it is the design from Boals, but I still maintain he does not have the confidence and swagger that he should have in the paint. He needs to channel his inner-Dwight Wilson and take that damn thing to the hoop with confidence.

And again, I know every broadcaster oozes about his quick release, but if someone did a deep dive on his 3 pt % on quick release (aka rushed) threes it would be abysmal. And his normal looking threes that he takes a moment to line up would be an elite percent. I feel like Clayton could be truly elite with some calibration adjustments. Add to it that he skipped a year of HS, AND played for a truly awful HS program...it just makes you wonder what could've been with this guy.

He's doing what Boals wants him to do, period. Boals sees him as a BVP type of player.

SBH - I would be THRILLED if AJC embraced being BVP. As FJC pointed out, BVP took a lot more 2 point attempts and would absolutely mix it up in the paint more.

DFC - Watch more closely, he has 2 different types of 3 point attempts. The unrealistically quick release and the more normal looking quick release. I feel like I can predict his makes and misses at a pretty high rate when he hoists.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 12:39:30 PM

FearLeon wrote:

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

Why does Ike not get a few more minutes each game?

Listening on the radio when Ike was on the bench it seemed that BSU had little problem getting to reasonable two point shots and snagged offensive rebounds when they missed. Wouldn't a little bit of size help when Clayton is playing softer due to foul situation?

I bet none of you would have guessed that Gabe would be on the floor during an OT game!

Interestingly enough, he had more rebounds than Wiz and as many as AJC through the first four MAC games. He actually played more minutes than Wiz in that timeframe; and I thought he might see more PT moving forward for crashing boards. Hasn�t hit double-digit minutes in 4/5 games.

I remain self-proclaimed president of the Ike fan club. Bulk up and spend more time with Hadaway so his confidence rubs off on him.

If Ben Roderick were still on the team (he had another year of eligibility), who would have gotten the minutes - Roderick or Ike? Hands down BRod, even though he regressed tremendously in his final two seasons.

The regression of BRod since he made the dagger 3 against Virginia will always be one of the great Ohio Bobcat mysteries. The guy completely lost his shot for two consecutive seasons.

Most Recent Top 10 Bobcat Hoops Mysteries
1. Bahamas Ezuma
2. Lunden McDay
3. B-Rod losing his shooting ability and mojo
4. Ivo losing his mojo
5. Jon Smith just quitting at the end of his senior season
6. Rio Adams
7. Kenny Belton
8. Giving up on developing guys like Nolan Foster and Ethan Jacobs (separate coaches)
9. Wadly Mompremier going for 12 and 12 in the season opening win over Dunk City in 2015 and never coming close to that output ever again.
10. Steven Coleman, wherefor art thou?

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 1:05:46 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

The regression of BRod since he made the dagger 3 against Virginia will always be one of the great Ohio Bobcat mysteries. The guy completely lost his shot for two consecutive seasons.

Post of the year....well done. Bobcat1998...this post deserves it's own thread.

I'll add:

11. Why did we recruit the LaFerla twins?
12. Rush Floyd goes from MAC Freshman of the Year to becoming non-existent his next three years. FearLeon quickly remembers Rush's second home being The Pub and it now all makes sense.
13. Curtis Simmons could have been so much more than he truly was.
14. Do we beat North Carolina and advance to the Elite 8 if Offutt makes his free throw with 25 seconds left? Will haunt me until the day I die.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 1:24:39 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 1:20:52 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

The regression of BRod since he made the dagger 3 against Virginia will always be one of the great Ohio Bobcat mysteries. The guy completely lost his shot for two consecutive seasons.

It looks like Foster's best games after he transferred to Marian College (NAIA?) were against Goshen, Taylor, and Simmons College off the bench. That sounds like below the level of Wiznitzer. After redshirting, Jacobs seems to have had a couple of solid years at Colgate vs pretty decent competition. Also looks like he had a cup of coffee in European pro ball.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 1:21:32 PM by greencat

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 1:34:27 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

JimLurker34 wrote:

Exactly.

My god....you are 7-feet. In that situation you just raise straight up...no reason to rush at the guy shooting a fall-away three. He makes that...all you can do is tip your hat to him.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 1:45:02 PM

Never leave your feet against a jump shooter.

That's what they say. If you do, he can drive right around you anyway.

Or you could give him a potential 4-point-play.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 1:45:40 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

SBH wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

He's doing what Boals wants him to do, period. Boals sees him as a BVP type of player.

I�ll also add that BVP was a beast on the boards. Since MAC play started, AJC has been trending in the wrong direction in this category. He�s averaging 3.7 RPG since and now averages less than EJ4 despite his absence. Jaylin meanwhile is averaging 4.9 RPG in that same span.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 2:30:14 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

The regression of BRod since he made the dagger 3 against Virginia will always be one of the great Ohio Bobcat mysteries. The guy completely lost his shot for two consecutive seasons.

Siiiiiiiiiiiigh. I'll give you the top four but the rest are what they are.

From the rumors on this board, it was pretty clear the locker room tension between the guys who were left behind by Groce and Jim Christian was for lack of a better word, heated. You can probably guess why Jon Smith left. And he was having his best season as a Bobcat up to that point, so there had to be something in the locker room that made it so bad he wanted out.

There's no mystery behind Rio Adams. We recruited him and people got all giddy because he was coming from Kansas, but it was clear he wasn't going to work out here (probably due to grades) and Christian suggested he go the JC route. Which he did. Then he went to EKU and averaged a whopping 1.1 ppg in one season there. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. FWIW EKU was on a heater with transfers in that class hoping one would stick. They brought in guys from Kansas, Louisville and Butler.

As far as Ethan Jacobs - he was never going to see the floor with the players Groce had in the system combined with the guys who were being recruited. I'm glad he got to go elsewhere, but the Cats were on a different trajectory and timeline at the time. Looking back on it, Jacobs' ability to pick and pop actually probably fit the Saul Phillips system more than any other coach.

You could probably make that same argument for Nolan Foster. Think about when he left. I don't know the timing of everything, but we had BVP and Dwight on the roster. Dwight sits out the year because of injury. Boals brings in Jason Carter. We also had "bigs" in Sam Towns and AJ Clayton that year. Could we have used a guy like Nolan that year? Maybe. Probably. But who knows how much PT he would have gotten. I mean it's pretty telling what Boals thinks of you when he brought back Carter. Outside of DW3, I don't know that we'll ever see a true big man again. The game has evolved and most bigs we've had recently can also step out and shoot. I don't remember Nolan having that in his repertoire.

Kenny Belton's first game in college was the 2007-08 season. He didn't play again until 2011-12. I think it's pretty clear he wasn't a basketball player at this level. And again he's on that 2011-12 squad. Where's the PT coming from. If you want to ask why he was recruited in the first place I'll listen, but it's not really a "mystery."

Wadley battled Crohn's disease while he was here. When he actually could play and could go full out 100% he was great, but that disease is so hard to get a handle on. I imagine especially for an athlete of his size.

Stevie Fresh really thought that rap career would take off.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 2:33:55 PM by GoCats105

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 2:35:19 PM

There was no mystery to Jon Smith, either. Or, for that matter, DJ Cooper's decision to tank it in the MAC Tourney final vs. the Abreau-less Akron Zips.

Both were due to Jim Christian being a supreme asshole.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 2:49:40 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

JimLurker34 wrote:

LOL. Mr. "I Cherry Pick" Stats back with more I see.

Who leads the Bobcats in FG percentage? Oh, whoops, it's Gabe.

Why you continue to show your complete lack of any class regarding "Wiznitzer family members" is rather mind boggling. You did the same thing regarding CJ Harris' family.

Have a good day.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 3:23:54 PM

FearLeon wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Wiz should have another year

How?

His first year at Louisville was 2020-2021. That was not the Covid year (2019-2020), so I�m not sure how The Whiz gets another year unless he got a red-shirt year during year two at Louisville when he only played five games?

The recruiting grid on the recruiting page says this is The Whiz�s senior season.

He�s played four years of college ball:

2020-2021
2021-2022
2022-2023
2023-2024

2020-21 was considered a Covid year. That doesn't count towards his eligibility. He has another season based on that. Also, the one year at Louisville, he only played 5 games. Are we sure that's going to count against his eligibility? It's possible we'll have two more seasons of the Wiz at Ohio.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 3:31:50 PM by FormerMember

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 3:37:24 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

The regression of BRod since he made the dagger 3 against Virginia will always be one of the great Ohio Bobcat mysteries. The guy completely lost his shot for two consecutive seasons.

Treg Setty laid it all out on this board what the Jim Christian experience was. And I've heard Christian actually really liked Jon. Guess that was one-sided.

Ethan Jacobs made a comment somewhere about the academics and general culture at Colgate compared to Ohio that contributed to his leaving.

Kenny Belton suffered an extreme back injury at Cincinnati and came to Ohio as a grad student and nearly 300 pounds. Helpful to have as a practice player, but was not considered to be a key piece to the program. He was giddy about scoring a couple baskets in garbage time against Marietta, so that was pretty much his basketball sendoff.

Stevie Fresh chose a "culture" over being a college student and basketball player. I heard some of his stuff. It was awful.

Other mysteries...

1) Jeremy Fears, Antonio Chatman, Marquis Horne, Alex Kellogg. What happened?
2) Supposed shadiness in recruiting Maurice Ndour??? And how in the world did Saul get him to stay?

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 3:39:17 PM by shabamon

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 3:45:29 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

JimLurker34 wrote:

Miss Wiznitzer, do the nurses know you've escaped and are fumbling around on the interwebs again?

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 4:08:18 PM

SBH wrote:

Sorry, I call this fake news!

Why did DJ tank and not Reggie?

Akron pulled a coaching gem and had the quick and LONG Harney guard Coop everywhere and completely took DJ�s ability to do much on offense.game away.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 4:11:38 PM by MonroeClassmate

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 4:45:05 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

SBH wrote:

That game was disgusting to watch.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 4:55:39 PM

shabamon wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

The regression of BRod since he made the dagger 3 against Virginia will always be one of the great Ohio Bobcat mysteries. The guy completely lost his shot for two consecutive seasons.

Kellogg was a year above me. I talked to him one night at Crystal. He simply just didn�t love playing anymore.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 4:58:07 PM

FormerMember wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Wiz should have another year

Unless a documented injury, yes, in basketball, 5 games equals a year. Football gets 33% of a season. Basketball gets squat.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 5:01:27 PM

FJC31 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

SBH wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

The regression of BRod since he made the dagger 3 against Virginia will always be one of the great Ohio Bobcat mysteries. The guy completely lost his shot for two consecutive seasons.

Kellogg was a year above me. I talked to him one night at Crystal. He simply just didn�t love playing anymore.

Exactly, some just don't get that. Put McDay right there, they just lost the desire to put the time in and wanted to be Joe Student. More power to them.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 5:01:46 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

FormerMember wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Wiz should have another year

Unless a documented injury, yes, in basketball, 5 games equals a year. Football gets 33% of a season. Basketball gets squat.

My best guess is that he has one year of eligibility remaining. He did have a documented wrist injury his sophomore year at Louisville but was cleared to return November 25th.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 2/7/2024 6:09:00 PM

FormerMember already answered this. The bonus Covid year from the NCAA was Spring 2020, Fall 2020 & Winter 2020-21. The Winter 19-20 season was almost complete and no extra year of eligibility was granted for it. Otherwise Jordan Dartis could have come back for a 5th year.

So Wiz has another year if he wants it. At the risk of giving FearLeon a heart attack...If people are questioning that 2nd year at Louisville as possibly a redshirt candidate, then the question would become does he have TWO years remaining.

Last Edited: 2/7/2024 6:10:04 PM by Andrew Ruck

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