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Topic:  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...

Topic:  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/28/2013 10:21:03 AM 
hawaiian bobcat wrote:
My question is it really worth it?  Let's say some how the money issue was not a problem.  Do we really want to be big time college football?  I believe that Ohio is such a special place because all of our fans have a very special connection to the University.  We either attended Ohio or our children did or both.  Whenever I get the opportunity to talk to a fellow Bobcat fan, usually the conversation has more to do with our love for Athens.  It will be about uptown, the dorms, sledding down Jeff Hill, or even Strouds Run.  We love the University and the Bobcats.  The teams truly represent us.

If we become big time...we WILL get sidewalk alumni.  When you run into a Bobcat fan will they know anything about OUr school?  Will they embarrass us like state's sidewalk alumni?  Do we really despise state's alumni or just people that have no affiliation with state besides rooting for them.  Are we willing to sacrifice the integrity of our school for being big time?

I appreciate Optimist's posts and I really don't know where I stand on the issue.  I have dreamed of being big time and seeing Ohio in the Rose Bowl.  Then I think about the consequences.  When I run into an Ohio fan do I want to have a conversation to be just about the Bobcats or do I want to talk about our special university as well?

If Ohio tries to keep up with the Big 5 it might take away some of things we love most about Ohio.  Just a different thought on the issue.


I like that, sidewalk alumni.  This post from the islands is about as good as it gets.  Sidewalk alumni come and go but true fans, like the ones we have today, will stick with it through thick or thin.  Well said my good man.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/28/2013 10:51:02 AM 
http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2013/07/2...

Bob Hunter weighs in this morning
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The Optimist
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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/28/2013 1:06:19 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Why would anyone in Columbus or Cleveland ever root for the Cincinnati Bearcats? I can tell you why they would root for the Ohio Bobcats........... Because they live in Ohio.........


Well then in a State with 11 Million people, why are we not building a bigger Stadium and selling out the Convo on a daily basis. I will acknowledge that we are growing, but for some to think we are the top product in the 3 largest cities, is quite comical.


Who is saying we are the top product?
Ohio State is very clearly the top product. And you know what... We don't need to be the top product. We don't need to convert all the Ohio State bandwagon fans into Bobcat fans. We just need to get some fans in the 3 C's... If we get a solid fanbase in those cities, you are never again going to hear that Ohio University doesn't have a TV market. If we get fans there, we become appealing outside the MAC.

As for building a bigger football stadium... If we can successfully get fans from the 3 C's, Columbus in particular, we will build a bigger stadium. If we have the great season we are all hoping to have in football this year, we are going to sell out Peden multiple times. There is no reason we cannot get some fans from Columbus to drive down for Saturday football games if the success on the field continues for Frank. It is an easy drive. The bypass is done (or almost done?)
I would love to see plans for Peden at 40,000ish in the next 5-10 years. Really, when Kansas and UC come to Peden in 6-7-8 years I hope Peden has been renovated and additional seats added. I think that is a realistic goal. That probably doesn't happen if we cannot get fans from Columbus to commit to games. On top of the # of fans, increasing the fanbase adds more people willing to help finance...

Basketball is a bit trickier. Hard to drive down for all those midweek games. I am happy with our attendance right now. We have a great fanbase in SE Ohio that successfully is our base for attendance in hoops. Hopefully we can edge weekday attendance up a couple thousand as the winning (hopefully) continues and push our average up closer to 10,000 with weekend games actually coming closer to regularly being 12,000ish...

hawaiian bobcat wrote:
My question is it really worth it?  Let's say some how the money issue was not a problem.  Do we really want to be big time college football?  I believe that Ohio is such a special place because all of our fans have a very special connection to the University.  We either attended Ohio or our children did or both.  Whenever I get the opportunity to talk to a fellow Bobcat fan, usually the conversation has more to do with our love for Athens.  It will be about uptown, the dorms, sledding down Jeff Hill, or even Strouds Run.  We love the University and the Bobcats.  The teams truly represent us.

If we become big time...we WILL get sidewalk alumni.  When you run into a Bobcat fan will they know anything about OUr school?  Will they embarrass us like state's sidewalk alumni?  Do we really despise state's alumni or just people that have no affiliation with state besides rooting for them.  Are we willing to sacrifice the integrity of our school for being big time?

I appreciate Optimist's posts and I really don't know where I stand on the issue.  I have dreamed of being big time and seeing Ohio in the Rose Bowl.  Then I think about the consequences.  When I run into an Ohio fan do I want to have a conversation to be just about the Bobcats or do I want to talk about our special university as well?

If Ohio tries to keep up with the Big 5 it might take away some of things we love most about Ohio.  Just a different thought on the issue.

I understand what you are saying. I cannot stand the sidewalk Ohio State "alumni." The Walmart fans... They are annoying and don't know what they are talking about the majority of the time.

That said, I'm not against them rooting for Ohio. The way I see it, getting bandwagon fans to root for the team of the state they live in doesn't make the special times at Ohio University any less important for the real alumni. These fans will never have the passion many on here (everyone!?) has for Ohio University. If we start losing, I'm sure many will vanish. But if my neighbor starts cheering for the Bobcats, I'm not going to think any less of the great times I had in 4.5 years in Athens. I'm still going to be really excited when I find out the random guy seating next to me on the plane also graduated from Ohio. 

There are plenty of schools who have fans that didn't actually go to school their that aren't annoying... Most schools aren't like Ohio State in that regard....


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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/28/2013 3:45:42 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
There are plenty of schools who have fans that didn't actually go to school their that aren't annoying... Most schools aren't like Ohio State in that regard....


I disagree this statement.  Apparently you have never spent time in SEC country during football season or on the Left coast with a dominant USC.  I have had the pleasure of going to a few Maui Invitationals and the sidewalk alumni are obvious.  Then I appreciate fan bases like Wichita State at the same tournament.

My wife graduated from Tennessee and to say she is a proud Vol is an understatement.   We discussed the sidewalk/walmart alumni issue last night.  She agreed with some of my points however she mentioned benefits of being big time.  She also said the sidewalk/walmart alumni are a necessary evil.  Being with 100,000 other people dressed in Orange is something special.  Apparently on Saturdays in Knoxville even the Wal-Marts have countdowns to kickoff.  I am sure Mr. Fox or East Tennessee could confirm.  The Volunteer Navy is unique and would not be as impressive without the sidewalk alumni.

 The advantages for us as an institution would be helping eliminate any confusion with state.  It might even make the rest of the country understand how ridiculous the institutions in Ann Arbor and Columbus are for using our name inappropriately.  

I also understand we already have non affiliation fans and they are great.  L.C. and Gman are great fans and ambassadors for Ohio.  The percentage is small and they respect the school as well as cheering on the Bobcats.
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Robert Fox
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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/28/2013 6:50:13 PM 
hawaiian bobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
There are plenty of schools who have fans that didn't actually go to school their that aren't annoying... Most schools aren't like Ohio State in that regard....


I disagree this statement.  Apparently you have never spent time in SEC country during football season or on the Left coast with a dominant USC.  I have had the pleasure of going to a few Maui Invitationals and the sidewalk alumni are obvious.  Then I appreciate fan bases like Wichita State at the same tournament.

My wife graduated from Tennessee and to say she is a proud Vol is an understatement.   We discussed the sidewalk/walmart alumni issue last night.  She agreed with some of my points however she mentioned benefits of being big time.  She also said the sidewalk/walmart alumni are a necessary evil.  Being with 100,000 other people dressed in Orange is something special.  Apparently on Saturdays in Knoxville even the Wal-Marts have countdowns to kickoff.  I am sure Mr. Fox or East Tennessee could confirm.  The Volunteer Navy is unique and would not be as impressive without the sidewalk alumni.

 The advantages for us as an institution would be helping eliminate any confusion with state.  It might even make the rest of the country understand how ridiculous the institutions in Ann Arbor and Columbus are for using our name inappropriately.  

I also understand we already have non affiliation fans and they are great.  L.C. and Gman are great fans and ambassadors for Ohio.  The percentage is small and they respect the school as well as cheering on the Bobcats.


Couldn't have said it better, Hawaiian. I thought about responding just the way you did, but was planning to let it go. I've tried to make the same point in the past, using the Vols as an example, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. If you want an example of Vol hysteria, consider about 10 years ago, we were faced with having to change our area code to a third version (long story). To appease the Knoxville area natives who were tired of the changes, the phone people chose 865 because it spells out Vols.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/29/2013 1:10:09 PM 
Seriously people, I want my alma Matter to be the Best it can be.  But if you really think we have the resorces...financial and demographic to compete with most of the Big 5 you are delusional.  I am not saying the quality of the football and basketball product is not in the top 60 or 100, I'm just saying we don't have the financial wherewithall or fanbases to compete. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/29/2013 5:39:40 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Seriously people, I want my alma Matter to be the Best it can be.  But if you really think we have the resorces...financial and demographic to compete with most of the Big 5 you are delusional.  I am not saying the quality of the football and basketball product is not in the top 60 or 100, I'm just saying we don't have the financial wherewithall or fanbases to compete. 

In the last calender year we have been ranked in the Top 25 in both football and basketball. Current seniors at Ohio University have seen 2 straight football bowl wins AND a Sweet 16 showing in basketball.

But hey, I'll take your word for it.... We just cannot compete.

Sorry. The times have changed. Peden sold out multiple times last year and will sell out multiple times this year. Students even stick around past halftime. If you want to make the argument that you don't want to see Ohio competing at a level where we attract bandwagon fans, that is one thing. If you don't think Ohio is capable of competing at that level, I simply disagree. We've got a small window to capitalize on our recent athletic success. We have a real opportunity right now.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/29/2013 8:12:01 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Seriously people, I want my alma Matter to be the Best it can be. But if you really think we have the resorces...financial and demographic to compete with most of the Big 5 you are delusional. I am not saying the quality of the football and basketball product is not in the top 60 or 100, I'm just saying we don't have the financial wherewithall or fanbases to compete.

In the last calender year we have been ranked in the Top 25 in both football and basketball. Current seniors at Ohio University have seen 2 straight football bowl wins AND a Sweet 16 showing in basketball.

But hey, I'll take your word for it.... We just cannot compete.

Sorry. The times have changed. Peden sold out multiple times last year and will sell out multiple times this year. Students even stick around past halftime. If you want to make the argument that you don't want to see Ohio competing at a level where we attract bandwagon fans, that is one thing. If you don't think Ohio is capable of competing at that level, I simply disagree. We've got a small window to capitalize on our recent athletic success. We have a real opportunity right now.
this thread was originally started to discuss the upcoming changes in college football and perhaps in other sports as well. I think what is going to happen is a diminishing of our opportunity to compete because of these upcoming changes. You can argue about wether top 25 rankings in years past will have any applicability in the changing environment of college athletics. I think what some of us are saying is that there is little possibility that we can compete adequately in the new realities of college sports . Other than changing conferences, how are we going to take advantage of our recent successes?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/29/2013 8:49:24 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Seriously people, I want my alma Matter to be the Best it can be. But if you really think we have the resorces...financial and demographic to compete with most of the Big 5 you are delusional. I am not saying the quality of the football and basketball product is not in the top 60 or 100, I'm just saying we don't have the financial wherewithall or fanbases to compete.

In the last calender year we have been ranked in the Top 25 in both football and basketball. Current seniors at Ohio University have seen 2 straight football bowl wins AND a Sweet 16 showing in basketball.

But hey, I'll take your word for it.... We just cannot compete.

Sorry. The times have changed. Peden sold out multiple times last year and will sell out multiple times this year. Students even stick around past halftime. If you want to make the argument that you don't want to see Ohio competing at a level where we attract bandwagon fans, that is one thing. If you don't think Ohio is capable of competing at that level, I simply disagree. We've got a small window to capitalize on our recent athletic success. We have a real opportunity right now.
this thread was originally started to discuss the upcoming changes in college football and perhaps in other sports as well. I think what is going to happen is a diminishing of our opportunity to compete because of these upcoming changes. You can argue about wether top 25 rankings in years past will have any applicability in the changing environment of college athletics. I think what some of us are saying is that there is little possibility that we can compete adequately in the new realities of college sports . Other than changing conferences, how are we going to take advantage of our recent successes?

I am pointing out that recent success gives us a unique opportunity to significantly increase our fanbase and brand to the point we can change conferences.

Some stated that we have no chance to join the top tier in upcoming changes, and I strongly disagree. I think we have a great opportunity in front of us.

Edit:
Not only do I believe we have a good opportunity here... I believe the administration feels the same way that I do.

Our big marketing push this year is "My State. My Team." In my opinion, it is very logical to draw from "My State My Team" that Ohio University is trying to drastically expand our reach outside of Athens. I am in full support of this. Its no sure thing, but I think we've got a great opportunity here.

To put it very simply, I am sick of hearing that Ohio has no shot of ever playing in the big game... It is simply not true.

Last Edited: 7/29/2013 9:11:38 PM by The Optimist


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  Message Not Read  RE: Looks like Christmas is coming sooner for a lot of you...
   Posted: 7/29/2013 9:11:18 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Seriously people, I want my alma Matter to be the Best it can be. But if you really think we have the resorces...financial and demographic to compete with most of the Big 5 you are delusional. I am not saying the quality of the football and basketball product is not in the top 60 or 100, I'm just saying we don't have the financial wherewithall or fanbases to compete.

In the last calender year we have been ranked in the Top 25 in both football and basketball. Current seniors at Ohio University have seen 2 straight football bowl wins AND a Sweet 16 showing in basketball.

But hey, I'll take your word for it.... We just cannot compete.

Sorry. The times have changed. Peden sold out multiple times last year and will sell out multiple times this year. Students even stick around past halftime. If you want to make the argument that you don't want to see Ohio competing at a level where we attract bandwagon fans, that is one thing. If you don't think Ohio is capable of competing at that level, I simply disagree. We've got a small window to capitalize on our recent athletic success. We have a real opportunity right now.
this thread was originally started to discuss the upcoming changes in college football and perhaps in other sports as well. I think what is going to happen is a diminishing of our opportunity to compete because of these upcoming changes. You can argue about wether top 25 rankings in years past will have any applicability in the changing environment of college athletics. I think what some of us are saying is that there is little possibility that we can compete adequately in the new realities of college sports . Other than changing conferences, how are we going to take advantage of our recent successes?

I am pointing out that recent success gives us a unique opportunity to significantly increase our fanbase and brand to the point we can change conferences.

Some stated that we have no chance to join the top tier in upcoming changes, and I strongly disagree. I think we have a great opportunity in front of us.
OK, I get what you're saying. What do you think are the steps to see that happen?
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   Posted: 7/29/2013 10:42:43 PM 
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Basketball is a bit trickier. Hard to drive down for all those midweek games.


Uh - and those midweek football games?


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   Posted: 7/30/2013 1:17:51 AM 
Our fan base has to at least be around the size of Boise State's if not a bit bigger before they started having the undefeated seasons. I think it isn't only about gaining more true fans, but putting a team on the field that people want to watch play. The more high profile wins we have, the more exciting the games are, staying very competitive in any losses. We aren't going to get people from the west coast to come to games or become true fans, but if we get them to think "hmm, Ohio is a fun team to watch play" when they see our games on their channel guide, then they we would be at a point when a fair amount of people like to watch our games and want to see them. People in the surrounding areas who aren't even fans would come to the games, which is also just as good as true fans. I remember hearing about a lot of people that hadn't even heard of them going to see Murray State basketball games when they had that one great season. We have an advantage when it comes to having Solich, who will most likely spend the rest of his career here. If he gets the great and exciting players and teams on the field like everyone knows he is capable of, then it would be possible for us to jump to a bigger conference. The success in basketball makes it easier as well. 
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   Posted: 7/30/2013 8:13:48 AM 

RSBobcat wrote:
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Basketball is a bit trickier. Hard to drive down for all those midweek games.


Uh - and those midweek football games?

 

We had a grand total of two midweek football games in Peden last year. This year? We have ONE.

For the television exposure we are getting, I think they are worth it. I don't expect that Tuesday game to be our best crowd, but the local population is more than enough to fill Peden up for those games (as we've done fairly well recently) and if we are fortunate enough to see a Peden expansion I think the increased buzz will give us a nice enough crowd to not make the stadium look embarassingly empty. I love MACtion. Its good for the program and the conference.
 

Colobobcat, I really feel the administration is doing everything it needs to do to make this a possibility. "My State. My Team" to really push into the other markets I think we can grab a share of. A major uptick in funding for hoops.

And I am a fan of our scheduling in both football and basketball... I would love to see us play some more power schools... But look at our football schedule the next couple years? Who are we going to lose to? Winning is the most important thing, and with a stable coaching staff led by Frank I don't think there is any reason to think we can't have some very good seasons the next couple years. Additionally, we are scheduling more Saturday home games in football and hoops. That is smart.

 


 

 

 


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   Posted: 7/30/2013 9:36:20 AM 
Hey Optimist, let me know when OHIO has $50 mil to pour into an athletics budget and puts 40k butts in the seats at Peden.  Then I will know we can really compete with the big5.

Please note...by "compete" in the sentence above I mean financially and demographically.  Nobody is arguing our recent success on the football field and basketball court.  It is the financial resources/fan base we either do not have/are not throwing at the problem like UC and Akron are (for better or worse).
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   Posted: 7/30/2013 1:56:48 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Hey Optimist, let me know when OHIO has $50 mil to pour into an athletics budget and puts 40k butts in the seats at Peden.  Then I will know we can really compete with the big5.

Please note...by "compete" in the sentence above I mean financially and demographically.  Nobody is arguing our recent success on the football field and basketball court.  It is the financial resources/fan base we either do not have/are not throwing at the problem like UC and Akron are (for better or worse).


Casper you would be surprised to learn that Ohio's budget and attendance is right now in the Top 80-90 schools. The numbers aren't in the ballpark of the Big 5 yet but for a mid major we are top shelf. The football debate here is colored by the type of outcome some of the posters want to see more than what is really going to happen. The only thing we know for sure is the meeting in January will be to discuss how to best structure football issue voting into Division I. From what it sounds like instead of having the FBS/FCS structure in Division I they will take FBS football as one sport out of the D1 umbrella so its not subject anymore to decision making by the low majors. The way D1 has been set up in the past is membership and voting was geared around D1 basketball. The bigs want a more federated system where only the schools participating in an individual sport have a voting privileges in that sport. They want to take the stipend and rules battles on a sport by sport basis instead of having Bryant College make a decision for the Big Ten in Hockey. There may be some reclassification of where do you draw the D1, D2 and D3 lines which could affect the bottom 100 schools of D1. Ohio and the MAC are on high ground here as a group of institutions in the Top 75-150 of D1 membership and by contract a BCS coalition conference. I could see a super division in basketball next with the top 200 or so schools invited. The top division will no longer be this all inclusive group where a bunch of DII level universities can park for the basketball money.


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   Posted: 7/30/2013 2:29:08 PM 
The Optimist wrote:

I would love to see plans for Peden at 40,000ish in the next 5-10 years. Really, when Kansas and UC come to Peden in 6-7-8 years I hope Peden has been renovated and additional seats added. I think that is a realistic goal. That probably doesn't happen if we cannot get fans from Columbus to commit to games. On top of the # of fans, increasing the fanbase adds more people willing to help finance...


Why not just get an expansion done now. Make it a first class NFL level facility like Louisville did and then up the ticket prices to 50-60 dollars to pay for it. The gold standard for a major conference is 60,000 seats. There are schools at 60k seats like Virginia that don't fill it but but feel it was necessary to compete at the top level. 40,000 seats is for mid majors that out grew 25,000 capacities like Marshall.  If we want to attract the SEC or Big XII we've got to be thinking 60,000. 


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   Posted: 7/30/2013 2:46:26 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The Optimist wrote:

I would love to see plans for Peden at 40,000ish in the next 5-10 years. Really, when Kansas and UC come to Peden in 6-7-8 years I hope Peden has been renovated and additional seats added. I think that is a realistic goal. That probably doesn't happen if we cannot get fans from Columbus to commit to games. On top of the # of fans, increasing the fanbase adds more people willing to help finance...


Why not just get an expansion done now. Make it a first class NFL level facility like Louisville did and then up the ticket prices to 50-60 dollars to pay for it. The gold standard for a major conference is 60,000 seats. There are schools at 60k seats like Virginia that don't fill it but but feel it was necessary to compete at the top level. 40,000 seats is for mid majors that out grew 25,000 capacities like Marshall.  If we want to attract the SEC or Big XII we've got to be thinking 60,000. 


I don't understand where everybody expects the additional 34,000 people to come from. Athens is a remote town in the middle of one of the poorest areas in the country. Parkersburg, Chilicothe, and Lancaster are contributing pretty much all they're gonna contribute to gameday crowds. And beyond that, you start relying on people driving from Columbus--where there's a better college football product offered--and Cleveland, which is way too far away. These are market realities in Athens; adding seats doesn't instantly lead to new fans.
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   Posted: 7/31/2013 8:23:33 AM 

I was curious so I did a little research to see how the so-called "Big 5" members averaged in attendance.  I did this to see if we truly needed to get to an average of 60,000 in able to "run with the big boys".  Let me say that I was quite surprised at what I found.   Of the 62 teams that make up the "Big 5", at least 24 of those teams averaged somewhere under 48,000 per game in home attendance last year meaning about 39% of the Big 5 membership averaged less than 48,000 per game in home attendance for 2012.

Of the aforementioned 24 schools, at least 3 of them averaged under 29,000 per game, the same being Duke (28,170), Washington State (28,791) and Wake Forest (28,912).  The next lowest 5 averaged under 38,000 per game and were Northwestern (35,697), Maryland (36,023), Boston College (37,020), Vanderbilt (37,860) and Syracuse (37,953).  Then there were 8 schools averaging under 45,000 per game, the same being Baylor (41,194), Kansas (41,329), Pitt (41,494), Stanford (43,343), Oregon State (43,424), Purdue (43,588), Ga. Tech (43,955) and Indiana (44,802).  Finally, the last group averaged under 48,000 per game and consisted of 8 schools, the same being Utah (45,347), Colorado (45,373), Illinois (45,564),  TCU (46,047), Minnesota (46,637), UVa (46,650), Miami (Fla.) (47,719) and Arizona (47,931).  If you expand to say 55,000 per game these numbers go up dramatically.

Looking at it by conference, the SEC had 1 of its members averaging under 38,000 per game (Vanderbilt).  Kentucky was next with an average of 49,691.  The Big 12 had 3 of its members under 47,000 per game, those being Baylor, Kansas and TCU.  The Big 10 had 5 members averaging under 47,000 per game (Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois and Minnesota).  The PAC 12 had 6 members averaging under 48,000 per year (Washingotn State, Stanford, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado and Arizona).  Finally, the ACC had 5 of its 14 members averaging under 38,000 per game (Duke, Wake Forest, Maryland, Boston College and Syracuse), 3 of its members averaging under 47,000 per game (Pitt, Ga. Tech, and UVa.) and 1 of its members under 48,000 per game (Miami).  Thus, 9 of the 14 teams (64%) that make up the ACC average under 48,000 per game.  

Finally, if we were looking at another conference that may be invited to join the Big 5 I would assume it would be the so-called American (remains of former Big East).  In looking at their averages we would fit well with them right now.  In 2012, 5 of those teams averaged under 30,000 per game, the same being SMU (21,292), Memphis (24,371), Temple (26,580), Houston (27,247) and UC (29,138).  If you look at averaging under 35,000 per game you add 2 more, those being UCF (34,608) and UConn (34,672).  So, out of the 10 schools currently in the American, 7 (70%) currently average under 35,000 per game.  The other 3 members were USF (44,130), Rutgers (49,188) and Louisville (49,991).  Of course, Louisville will be gone at the end of this season as it will move to the ACC.

Thus it is not that big of a jump from where we are to the American or ACC.  And for the record, the NCAA has OUr average home attendance for 2012 at 21,844.  If we do expand, 45,000 capacity would probably get us there, and maybe less than that.     

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   Posted: 7/31/2013 4:23:57 PM 
ou79 wrote:

I was curious so I did a little research to see how the so-called "Big 5" members averaged in attendance.  I did this to see if we truly needed to get to an average of 60,000 in able to "run with the big boys".  Let me say that I was quite surprised at what I found.   Of the 62 teams that make up the "Big 5", at least 24 of those teams averaged somewhere under 48,000 per game in home attendance last year meaning about 39% of the Big 5 membership averaged less than 48,000 per game in home attendance for 2012.

Of the aforementioned 24 schools, at least 3 of them averaged under 29,000 per game, the same being Duke (28,170), Washington State (28,791) and Wake Forest (28,912).  The next lowest 5 averaged under 38,000 per game and were Northwestern (35,697), Maryland (36,023), Boston College (37,020), Vanderbilt (37,860) and Syracuse (37,953).  Then there were 8 schools averaging under 45,000 per game, the same being Baylor (41,194), Kansas (41,329), Pitt (41,494), Stanford (43,343), Oregon State (43,424), Purdue (43,588), Ga. Tech (43,955) and Indiana (44,802).  Finally, the last group averaged under 48,000 per game and consisted of 8 schools, the same being Utah (45,347), Colorado (45,373), Illinois (45,564),  TCU (46,047), Minnesota (46,637), UVa (46,650), Miami (Fla.) (47,719) and Arizona (47,931).  If you expand to say 55,000 per game these numbers go up dramatically.

Looking at it by conference, the SEC had 1 of its members averaging under 38,000 per game (Vanderbilt).  Kentucky was next with an average of 49,691.  The Big 12 had 3 of its members under 47,000 per game, those being Baylor, Kansas and TCU.  The Big 10 had 5 members averaging under 47,000 per game (Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois and Minnesota).  The PAC 12 had 6 members averaging under 48,000 per year (Washingotn State, Stanford, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado and Arizona).  Finally, the ACC had 5 of its 14 members averaging under 38,000 per game (Duke, Wake Forest, Maryland, Boston College and Syracuse), 3 of its members averaging under 47,000 per game (Pitt, Ga. Tech, and UVa.) and 1 of its members under 48,000 per game (Miami).  Thus, 9 of the 14 teams (64%) that make up the ACC average under 48,000 per game.  

Finally, if we were looking at another conference that may be invited to join the Big 5 I would assume it would be the so-called American (remains of former Big East).  In looking at their averages we would fit well with them right now.  In 2012, 5 of those teams averaged under 30,000 per game, the same being SMU (21,292), Memphis (24,371), Temple (26,580), Houston (27,247) and UC (29,138).  If you look at averaging under 35,000 per game you add 2 more, those being UCF (34,608) and UConn (34,672).  So, out of the 10 schools currently in the American, 7 (70%) currently average under 35,000 per game.  The other 3 members were USF (44,130), Rutgers (49,188) and Louisville (49,991).  Of course, Louisville will be gone at the end of this season as it will move to the ACC.

Thus it is not that big of a jump from where we are to the American or ACC.  And for the record, the NCAA has OUr average home attendance for 2012 at 21,844.  If we do expand, 45,000 capacity would probably get us there, and maybe less than that.     



Attendance is one thing, yes.  However, I bet you even Colorado, Washington State, and Boston College all had significantly more donations, bigger athletic budgets, and better recruits than any of MAC schools.

Fan support is just one piece in the successful athletic department puzzle.  If you want to make it big time, you need lots and lots money.  After doing a quick search on the internet, The cheapest season ticket options for Colorado, Washington State, and Boston College are all at least $175 per ticket, here it's $160 for the BEST SEATS once you include the mandatory donation. With the most expensive season tickets offered here at Ohio are practically even to the cheapest options for the bottom dwellers of the Big 5, how can anyone expect us to bring in as much money to even compete?

EDIT: I understand that the Tower Club is quite a bit more expensive than $175, but I'm talking about the typical fan experience.

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   Posted: 7/31/2013 4:51:47 PM 
KyleWvr13 wrote:
Fan support is just one piece in the successful athletic department puzzle.  If you want to make it big time, you need lots and lots money.  After doing a quick search on the internet, The cheapest season ticket options for Colorado, Washington State, and Boston College are all at least $175 per ticket, here it's $160 for the BEST SEATS once you include the mandatory donation. With the most expensive season tickets offered here at Ohio are practically even to the cheapest options for the bottom dwellers of the Big 5, how can anyone expect us to bring in as much money to even compete?

EDIT: I understand that the Tower Club is quite a bit more expensive than $175, but I'm talking about the typical fan experience.


Do you really need lots of money?  Northern Iowa just played in a BCS bowl.  MAC teams have landed in the top 25 many times - and deservedly so -  in the last few years.  All without big money.

Also, this has nothing to do with teams wanting to pay players and smaller schools not wanting to and NCAA rules and etc..  This is solely about the big 5 conferences trying to
1.  Keep as much TV money as possible for themselves and
2.  Diminish competition

Its un-American, and completely American all at the same time.



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   Posted: 7/31/2013 6:33:16 PM 
Blacksburg Virginia is more remote than Athens Ohio and the Hokies do pretty well. It wasn't always that way but over the past few decades Virginia Tech had a vision and a desire to become a significant player the world of College football. Blacksburg is more than 3 hours from Richmond, 5-6 hours from Norfolk metro and 6 hours from DC.

Bottom line is that it will take a commitment from the administration and the fan base to grow OUr program. The Ohio Bobcat Club was a huge first step in developing the financial resources to make such a move happen. As it grows so will Ohio Athletics. I bump my contribution a little this year and hope others will as well. If we want it, and I do, we have to be willing to support it.
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   Posted: 7/31/2013 6:59:08 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
KyleWvr13 wrote:
Fan support is just one piece in the successful athletic department puzzle.  If you want to make it big time, you need lots and lots money.  After doing a quick search on the internet, The cheapest season ticket options for Colorado, Washington State, and Boston College are all at least $175 per ticket, here it's $160 for the BEST SEATS once you include the mandatory donation. With the most expensive season tickets offered here at Ohio are practically even to the cheapest options for the bottom dwellers of the Big 5, how can anyone expect us to bring in as much money to even compete?

EDIT: I understand that the Tower Club is quite a bit more expensive than $175, but I'm talking about the typical fan experience.


Do you really need lots of money?  Northern ILLINOIS just played in a BCS bowl.  MAC teams have landed in the top 25 many times - and deservedly so -  in the last few years.  All without big money.

Also, this has nothing to do with teams wanting to pay players and smaller schools not wanting to and NCAA rules and etc..  This is solely about the big 5 conferences trying to
1.  Keep as much TV money as possible for themselves and
2.  Diminish competition

Its un-American, and completely American all at the same time.




Fixed that for ya.


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   Posted: 7/31/2013 7:00:03 PM 
ou79 wrote:

I was curious so I did a little research to see how the so-called "Big 5" members averaged in attendance.  I did this to see if we truly needed to get to an average of 60,000 in able to "run with the big boys".  Let me say that I was quite surprised at what I found.   Of the 62 teams that make up the "Big 5", at least 24 of those teams averaged somewhere under 48,000 per game in home attendance last year meaning about 39% of the Big 5 membership averaged less than 48,000 per game in home attendance for 2012.


Of the aforementioned 24 schools, at least 3 of them averaged under 29,000 per game, the same being Duke (28,170), Washington State (28,791) and Wake Forest (28,912).  The next lowest 5 averaged under 

Thus it is not that big of a jump from where we are to the American or ACC.  And for the record, the NCAA has OUr average home attendance for 2012 at 21,844.  If we do expand, 45,000 capacity would probably get us there, and maybe less than that.    



My point is not on how much we need to average to join a Big 5. It is on how big of a facility we need at a minimum for an invite. A 40,000 seat stadium would have been sufficient 15 years ago to make a pitch to the Big East but the bar for membership in a Big 5 conference is higher. I did some research and what I've found taking a look at programs which have joined a Big 5 league since 1990 (and how big there stadium was at the time) is that 50,000 seats is about the minimum they usually except for membership. BC, Utah, TCU made it into the club with 45,000 seats. If we are going to bother expanding Peden with the costs associated there is no point in going to 32,000 or 40,000 because that is not going to be enough to make a statement. It might take a few years to fill 50,000 but with the My State, My Team marketing I think another 10-12k in season tickets sold would be possible to push paid attendance into the mid 30's. As I've said before this is something I think we are at the point where we could chew off and it would be a tremendous boost for recruiting to have a 50k seat stadium and put distance on the programs in the MAC like Boise State did in their conference. A few schools with under 40,000 seats play in a Big 5 league but they've been grandfathered in.

PAC-12
2011 Utah 45,017
2011 Colorado 53,613

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2012 TCU 45,000
1996 Baylor 50,000
1996 Texas Tech 50,500
2012 West Virginia 60,000
1996 Texas 77,809

ACC
2005 Boston College 44,500
2013 Syracuse 49,262
2014 Louisville 55,000
1991 Florida State 60,519
2013 Pittsburgh 65,050
2005 Virginia Tech 65,115
2005 Miami, FL 72,319

SEC
1991 Arkansas 52,680
1991 South Carolina 72,400
2012 Missouri 71,004
2012 Texas A&M 82,589

Big Ten
2014 Rutgers 52, 454
2014 Maryland 54,000
2011 Nebraska 81,067
1991 Penn State 93,967
 


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   Posted: 7/31/2013 7:09:57 PM 
Gallia Cat wrote:
Blacksburg Virginia is more remote than Athens Ohio and the Hokies do pretty well. It wasn't always that way but over the past few decades Virginia Tech had a vision and a desire to become a significant player the world of College football. Blacksburg is more than 3 hours from Richmond, 5-6 hours from Norfolk metro and 6 hours from DC.

Bottom line is that it will take a commitment from the administration and the fan base to grow OUr program. The Ohio Bobcat Club was a huge first step in developing the financial resources to make such a move happen. As it grows so will Ohio Athletics. I bump my contribution a little this year and hope others will as well. If we want it, and I do, we have to be willing to support it.


If the school wants to do something for the economy of SE Ohio a 50,000 seat stadium will do it. With a facility like that Ohio could bring names like WVU or VT that will bring 10,000 of their own fans. Usually the pattern for expansion is a string of success, sellouts and then a next level expansion for the program to keep its edge. Adding 20,000 seats at the time is the norm for a major program. Once its built down the road we'll be positioned for opportunities with the facility. This is the only way to get a look.


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   Posted: 7/31/2013 7:32:08 PM 
I always felt that a 35,000 stadium with an over flow grass area similar to Wake would be perfect for Ohio. People who don't believe Ohio can build a fan base obviously did not attend games during the 80's. I am amazed at the growth of the Ohio University athletics fan base. It seems to me graduates from the mid to late 90's through today are much more engaged than alumni prior to that. I in no means am demising the support of those on this board who have been supporting the Cats from the 50's and 60's and on. I really believe the 2 reasons Ohio continues to grow it's fan base is a result success and the new media. When I was attending Ohio University I could not listen to games in Gallia County. Now you can stay connected any where in the world. If you have a smart phone then you have access at your finger tips. Used to folks would graduate and head back to wherever and occasionally see a box score in whatever local rag served their community.

We've come a long way baby but there is still a long way to go. Ohio University has not even come close to peaking!
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