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Topic: RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Topic: RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

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moutinboy
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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/29/2023 8:10:09 PM

Ohio U needs to take a look at the running backs. Let them compete not just in practice, let them compete in game situations. I'm pretty sure they have talent that can get one yard. The run sets up the pass.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/29/2023 8:34:48 PM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

I guess overall point would be I would rather be in the race constantly than be terrible how we were pre solich /Albin and how Kent or Akron are now. 1-7 and and absolute dumpster fire. Mediocrity can be frustrating after awhile but we haven�t really been mediocre we have fallen just short and been unlucky. Would rather be that than terrible. If we are 1-7 idk if would even watch todays game. At least now we are in the mix every year and makes us want to watch and be interested.

Stop bringing up how bad we were almost 20 years ago college football is a completely different game now than it was then.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 8:39:14 AM

The Mac Championship drought is actually one of the more remarkable (depressing?) things in American sports. In a league with only 12 (or less) teams, to go 56 years without a title is astounding. I could argue it is worse than the Cubs 108 year drought.

Then you add to it that it is a storied university with a solid fan base, or 5 trips to the championship, includes the winningest coach in conference history, and so on...It is truly unbelievable.

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AlumDadDad
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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 9:40:44 AM

Absolutely correct, and this year was the best chance we've had since 2012...even better because our injury situation isn't nearly as bad.

As has been mentioned before, Albin isn't going anywhere for now. Ohio probably finishes 7-5 or 8-4, goes to the Port-O-Let bowl and probably wins.

Isphording and Rudolph on the other hand; they should be polishing their resumes. Absolutely no excuse for the kind of running game performance we've seen this year - the cherry on top being the inability to get ONE yard on multiple occasions in the biggest game of the year on your home turf.

The players have to execute - I get that. But, if we have players that consistently fail to execute and/or are penalized - guess what? We have other offensive linemen. They may not be as experienced, but I bet they're hungry for playing time - playing time that they need to develop for the near future.

And no, it's not Bangura or Allison. We know that they can run the ball. They're being continually met by multiple members of the defensive front either at or behind the line.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 10:16:06 AM

AlumDadDad wrote:

As has been mentioned before, Albin isn't going anywhere for now. Ohio probably finishes 7-5 or 8-4, goes to the Port-O-Let bowl and probably wins.

If I remember correctly, as part of Albin's contract extension, if he wins 8 games (don't know if that includes a bowl win) he gets an automatic 1 year extension.

So, even if the team tanks, I don't think O.U. is not going to "eat"
what's left of his contract.

Last Edited: 10/30/2023 10:16:38 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 10:18:52 AM

And if he does that for 15 years, we name the field after him, right?

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 10:24:03 AM

I appreciate all the thoughts, and take them into consideration. That loss Saturday was absolutely embarrassing. Terrible! However are we overreaching, overeacting, DOSE Ohio have the best talent in the MAC? DOES Ohio have the best coaching staff? IS Ohio ready to be a perennial staple in the conference? I ask myself this very often. Unfortunately, I have been around long enough to accept mediocrity. This is it .we will end up playing 1500 miles away in a cheesy bowl game against a team from Louisiana again.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 10:26:12 AM

I was never on board with Albin from day 1. I've said here many times that he was in over his head and I still believe that. I won't even mention that he can't put 2 coherent sentences together. Should have never been hired and should be fired now.

M.D.W.S.T
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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 11:12:23 AM

randy wrote:

At the beginning of this season, I believe 90% of us would've said YES to the most talented roster. Less than 50% would've said YES to best coaching staff.

It's more than started to rear its head.

The offense isn't clicking like it did last season, and the staff has absolutely no answer for it.

During the SDSU game, I was extremely critical of Albin, during the Iowa State game it got worse - I called him a coward for seeming to just run out the clock. It appeared he didn't even have an offensive gameplan. I was irate. He was playing with luck. Get a small lead and sit on it. Pray. People called me a piece of shit. I'm always wrong. I should burn my degree. Never come to Athens again. Some pretty wild stuff. That thread is now deleted it got so bad. Well here we are. What has changed? Except our luck as run out. Albin's offense is still panic running out the clock and we've not improved at any position.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 12:19:50 PM

BryanHall wrote:

Everything was set up for them to win the MAC East. A good returning cast, a weaker division and Gabbert hurt. The staff seems either unwilling or unable to change their strategy. If they were not the most talented team in the division right now, I wouldn't feel this way. If Gabbert had sliced them up for 300 yards I wouldn't feel this way.

I'm just curious, but on what do you base the statement that Ohio is "the most talented team in the division"?

One thing that has happened over the years is that 247Sports has actually put some effort into ranking G5 recruits, and as a result, they seem to have gotten better at it. For example, for a long, long time, it was a joke that the lowest ranked players were the ones who would become starters the fastest (e.g. Hagan Meservy), but now it is the top ranked players who shine early. The top ranked players in last year's class were Chase Hendricks 86 (starter WR-Z), Andrew Marshall 86, Kobi Gorman 86 (#2 NT), Ricky Hunt 86 (#3 RB), and Mason Williams 84 (#4 TE). Of the top 5, then, 4 are playing.

The 247Sports rankings arenn't perfect, obviously. Three Freshmen are playing who aren't rated by them at all. Khamani Debrow is the #3 WR-X, Dane Jackson is the backup Center, and Kadin Schmitz is the backup Jack. Note that all three of these, however, were late additions and/or came by unusual routs, and were thus never rated by 247Sports. Among the players they did rate, the only one who is playing who was low rated is Spetic.

So, if we use the premise that 247Sports recruiting rankings are no longer a joke, and now have some value, who has the best talent in the MAC? If you use the average rankings over the last five years, it looks like this:
1. Toledo 2.8 (4-0 in MAC)
2. Miami 3.6 (4-1 in MAC)
3. CMU 4.0 (2-2 in MAC)
4. WMU 5.4 (2-3 in MAC)
5. NIU 5.6 (3-1 in MAC)
6. Buffalo 6.0 (3-1 in MAC)
7. EMU 7.4 (2-3 in MAC)
8. Kent 8.0 (0-4 in MAC)
9. Ohio 8.2 (3-2 in MAC)
10. Ball State 8.2 (1-3 in MAC)
11. BG 8.8 (2-2 in MAC)
12. Akron 10.2 (0-4 in MAC)

Looking at this year's MAC games, the top 4 teams combine for a 12-6 record. The middle 4 teams have a combined record of 8-9. The bottom four teams (one of which is Ohio) combine for a record of 6-11. Thus, using recruiting rankings to predict which teams will do well, and which will do poorly appears to have some significance.

Does Ohio have the best talent in the MAC? That seems very doubtful. Does Ohio have the 9th best talent in the MAC? That's doubtful, too, in my opinion for a variety of reasons:
1. I think Ohio does a better than average job at finding under the radar players.
2. I think Ohio also does a very good job of coaching their players up
3. I think Ohio's stability has led to better player retention than at most schools, and in particular less top players leaving via the portal.

On the whole, I think Ohio has maybe the 4th or 5th best talent in the MAC, but has good coaching that gets a lot out of the players they have. I put Ohio kind of on a par with CMU/WMU/NIU, but below Miami and Toledo. As a note for the future, I also think that Ohio's recruiting classes the last two years are substantially better than in years past, so the future looks bright. Nearly every player in this year's recruiting class has 6+ other offers, and many/most have a few P5 offers in there.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 12:58:09 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

You'd at least think Ohio would have backed into one on accident by now. Almost every "current" team in the conference has won a championship since 2000. The only schools that haven't: Ohio, Kent State, EMU

With the success Ohio has had A.F. (After Frank arrived) it almost makes no sense.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 1:17:13 PM

Depressing. My whole self worth is tied up in our teams. I can't wear my Ohio gear and strut my stuff at happy hour.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 2:12:02 PM

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

Maybe we can get Scott Frost????? And, everyday I wake up with Tim as OUr coach, makes me happy you are miserable! Let's win 8!!!!

Last Edited: 10/30/2023 2:14:09 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 2:56:51 PM

Said it often will say it again�under Solich and now under Albin we have recruited enough good players to be a bit above average but not enough to win a MACC. Probably the most frustrating thing possible for a good fan base, the players, the coaches, and this University! The only way to get past this curse is for the coaches to set their sites higher when recruiting . Very good MAC players do make a difference! Let�s get more of them.

Last Edited: 10/30/2023 2:58:22 PM by Casper71

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 3:04:35 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

It's not a popular view here, but I think the A.F. success is a bit of a paper tiger.

The strategy -- which made sense initially -- was to play a pretty weak non-conference schedule to get bowl eligible as often as possible. And we did that. Considering where the program was before Solich, it's a strategy that made sense. Get some momentum, some success under the belt, build a winning culture, etc.

But the problem is that we never took much of a leap beyond that. We couldn't beat the conference's elite teams in big games and we were neck-and-neck with a quarter of the conference so every season we had 3 games that were toss-ups. And we never got lucky and got through a schedule unscathed to the point that we played in any truly meaningful games.

M.D.W.S.T
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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 3:43:16 PM

Casper71 wrote:

Brett Gabertt in the portal?

Last Edited: 10/30/2023 3:46:27 PM by M.D.W.S.T

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 3:52:33 PM

L.C. wrote:

BryanHall wrote:

>>>Does Ohio have the best talent in the MAC? That seems very doubtful. Does Ohio have the 9th best talent in the MAC? That's doubtful, too, in my opinion for a variety of reasons:<<<

Is the key takeaway to this post the following, "I just presented a bunch of data that makes no sense, therefore I refuted your statement?"

For reference, we have a first-team all-conference received that was walk-on out of high school and a conference player of the year QB that was not as highly rated as a recruit as Joey Duckworth.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/30/2023 8:44:38 PM

As someone who has followed recruiting for year, I totally agree that recruiting rankings a decade ago were completely meaningless at the MAC level. It seems, however, that the quality of evaluations has improved substantially over the years.

Current recruiting rankings no longer seem to be meaningless. Comparing the recruiting rankings over the last 5 years to the current wins and losses shows a 75% correlation. The data set is small, and I'm not going to get out my stats book to figure out if a 75% correlation is statistically significant, but I suspect it might be. I am, however, certain that it has to be significant for, in a sample of 17 players, the 4 players who end up on the field as true freshmen to all be included in the top 5 players. Taken together, I believe that recruiting rankings at the MAC level are no longer meaningless.

To summarize my earlier post, I made no claim that I "refuted" your opinion. Rather, I'm gave the reasons for my opinion that Ohio does not have the best talent, but rather, is somewhere in the middle to upper middle of the MAC. Instead, I asked you what the reasons for your opinion are, since it obviously is different than mine.

FWIW, which isn't much, I think that the one year when Ohio did have the best talent in the MAC was 2012. Take away 19 starters due to injury, however, and they were middle of the MAC by the time the MAC season rolled around.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/31/2023 3:26:28 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Would you rather be Ball State?

I say that with 100% sincerity. I'm curious where people fall on this...

19 Years;

Fighting David Lettermans:
14 Seasons of 6+ Losses.
11 below .500 Seasons
1 MAC Championship.
1 Bowl Win.
7.8K in attendance to watch Toledo

OU:
135 wins.
11 Finishes in the Top 2 of the MAC East
5 MAC East Championships.
12 Bowls.
6 Bowl Wins.
19.8K average attendance for 2023

Is that 1 year of relevance enough to keep you warm and cozy?

I know where I come out on this, but I do think a large swath of people would choose total irrelevance for one MAC Champions shirt.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/31/2023 3:46:47 PM

Oh I 100% would choose Ohio in that scenario. I deeply value sustained competitiveness, where nearly each November you're still thinking about the chance to win the title.

But it is just astounding that we haven't somehow won a single one.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/31/2023 3:47:58 PM

I have gone on record being disappointed with Albin in the past.

I have also (some might think hypocritcially) praised him when he's doing good.

Currently, I'm feeling pretty apathetic.

This is honestly characteristic Ohio football since 2008. Have a really great season out of nowhere and get to the MAC championship game and lose. Go into next season with high expectations, only to fall short of making it to the MAC championship (2012 season, anyone?)

I'm frustrated, I'm annoyed, and I haven't been following for as long as a lot of people on here who are more annoyed and more frustrated. But when push comes to shove, I don't think we're letting any coaches go early unless they hit sub .500 3 years in a row.

Last Edited: 11/10/2023 2:26:21 AM by KyleWvr13

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/31/2023 6:35:35 PM

KyleWvr13 wrote:

I have gone on record in the past being disappointed with Albin in the past.

I have also (some might think hypocritcially) praised him when he's doing good.

Currently, I'm feeling pretty apathetic.

This is honestly characteristic Ohio football since 2008. Have a really great season out of nowhere and get to the MAC championship game and lose. Go into next season with high expectations, only to fall short of making it to the MAC championship (2012 season, anyone?)

I'm frustrated, I'm annoyed, and I haven't been following for as long as a lot of people on here who are more annoyed and more frustrated. But when push comes to shove, I don't think we're letting any coaches go early unless they hit sub .500 3 years in a row.

Exactly. We named our field after a guy who never won a conference championship.

And now his successor is performing exactly like he did, and people think we're going to fire him and buy out his contract? Not only is that not happening, but Albin will probably trigger an extension by winning 8 games. Which, by the way, is basically exactly on par with Solich, who averaged 7.5 wins a year.

It sucks, but we don't have a good football program. We're in the top half of one of the worst conferences in the country, but we've never won our conference. We're miles away from being relevant, but we were so bad for so long that it became easy to mistake above average in the MAC for good after years of futility.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/31/2023 7:36:44 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

12 out of 32 NFL teams (38%) have never won a Super Bowl, some despite multiple appearances (Buffalo, Minnesota, Cincinnati).

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/31/2023 8:09:21 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

We're in the top half of one of the worst conferences in the country.

This statement is true only if one considers only the FBS and then ignores the obvious gap in funding and support between P5 and G5. In fact, there are over 900 intercollegiate football teams, and Sagarin presently ranks Ohio University as #90 overall; the program is in the top 10%.

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RE: Fire Albin or Isphording

Posted: 10/31/2023 8:27:44 PM

L.C. wrote:

I'm sorry if I confused your post with a "refutation"

I assumed this since you addressed my post directly, started with the statement
"I'm just curious, but on what do you base the statement that Ohio is "the most talented team in the division"?" and then included a statistical analysis that seemed to show Ohio as the ninth most talented team in the MAC.

I based my belief that Ohio was the most talented team in the MAC East based on the following:

1. Defense. Miami has a very good MAC defense. Ohio, even after last week, is fifth in total yards allowed per game among ALL FBS teams.

2. Quarterback. Ohio had the returning MAC player of the year. Miami had a backup that hadn't played much this year. I feel Ohio had a huge advantage in talent even though Rourke was not highly recruited.

3. Receivers. Ohio had a returning ALL-MAC first teamer with a good complement of receivers and TEs. Miami is not bad here with the addition of Larvadain, but does not seem to have an advantage vs Wiglusz/Cross+Others.

3 Backs. The Bobcats have the returning Freshman of the Year and a healed Allison. Miami is not bad here, but I will take Bangura/Allison talentwise.

4. Offensive Line. The team returned all but one starter from a solid unit. I didn't think talent was the problem. I don't know what the problem is.

5 Special Teams. Miami seemed better, but the gap did not seem huge going into the game.

That was the basis of my belief that Ohio was the most talented team in the Eastern Division.

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