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Topic: RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

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greencat
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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 8:07:18 AM

Am I the only one who finds in interesting that MTSU was not willing to pay the one million dollar fee to exit the CUSA and join the MAC but can turn around and pay their coach a million a year for the next five years to go away after taking them to ten bowl games. This makes me think they were simply chicken 5hit about the prospects of playing a MAC schedule every year. We just saw that after a late double OT game, the Bobcats beat them solidly the next afternoon even though Middle should have been well rested from losing by 30 and playing everybody but the water-boy. They should change their mascot from a blue horse to a blue chicken.

Respect to WKU for wanting to jump to the MAC and being willing to do it. Maybe some other program (EKU, ETSU, Chattanooga....) can step up and be paired with WKU to make the jump and start a MAC South division.

L.C.
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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 8:37:55 AM

greencat wrote:

People in Nashville don't give a flying rat's a55 about MTSU sports. That includes my daughter and her husband who are both MTSU grads but have season tickets for the Titans and Preds. (And had Vandy basketball season tickets at one point in time) Pro soccer, Vandy Baseball, Belmont Basketball, etc etc - all get more attention than MTSU sports in the Nashville sports media. Austin Peay making the FCS playoffs probably got more coverage locally than Stockstill's pink slip will get at Middle.

I used to live in Nashville, and I agree with this 100%. Nashville has a lot of sports activity, and no one I knew cared about what was going on down in Murfreesboro. Yes, MTSU has a big enrollment (20k). Yes, Murfreesboro is a nice sized town (150k). While it is technically in the Nashville metro area, it is very separate, and like you, I don't believe that MTSU is ever going to have a major impact in the Nashville media market.

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IceCat76
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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 11:02:27 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

I always thought that Delaware would have made a nice addition to the MAC. Too bad that they couldn�t have been made a partner with WKU. Also, with WKU, MAC basketball would have a slightly better chance at that second NCAA tournament bid in some years. That would be a real plus.

I'd be more interested in bringing back UMass if that also meant Delaware. I'm wondering what the reaction in Amherst is today and if they're thinking of making any changes to their football only rule.

UMass is not likely to leave the A-10. Their entire athletics identity is tied to the notion of a multi-bid MBB league. There is a better chance of UMass dropping to FCS then there is of them leaving the A-10, unless they could find a way into the ACC. I don't see BC ever letting that happen.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 11:03:39 AM

I want WKU and Youngstown State to join the MAC. Adding more Ohio teams makes it less likely that an Ohio team would move on from the MAC, which creates more stability for the conference whenever the next round of realignment occurs.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 11:45:51 AM

L.C. wrote:

greencat wrote:

I actually lived IN Rutherford County (near Smyrna) and never went to MTSU sports.

I left out Eddie George being the new coach at TSU which gets them new attention in the sports crazy Nashville media landscape. If WKY and MTSU had joined the MAC, they would get more attention than continuing to play New Mexico State (1400 miles away) and Florida International (900 miles away).

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 12:31:56 PM

MMGrad2022 wrote:

Adding more Ohio teams makes it less likely that an Ohio team would move on from the MAC

What is the logic here? The conference immediately becomes more diluted in an already crowded recruiting region. The MAC becomes less appealing with YSU.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 1:06:47 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

MMGrad2022 wrote:

Adding more Ohio teams makes it less likely that an Ohio team would move on from the MAC

What is the logic here? The conference immediately becomes more diluted in an already crowded recruiting region. The MAC becomes less appealing with YSU.

Totally disagree, Youngstown St would be a great addition and bring a fan base and program that would only help regional rivalries and buzz. We already recruit against YSU. The more crossover of fans & alumni in the area the better.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 1:07:39 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

MMGrad2022 wrote:

Adding more Ohio teams makes it less likely that an Ohio team would move on from the MAC

What is the logic here? The conference immediately becomes more diluted in an already crowded recruiting region. The MAC becomes less appealing with YSU.

Agreed. Unless YSU is providing some sort of value I'm not aware of, I would think someone like Toledo would be more inclined to leave the league if another Ohio team joins.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 1:35:36 PM

Interesting article here from Jan 2022 about Northern Iowa and their stance on FCS football after it was announced others were transitioning up. I've always thought UNI would be an interesting MAC candidate if other schools out that way were able to join also.

https://www.thegazette.com/panther-football/uni-ad-david-... /

"While the Panthers sponsor all 63 available football scholarships, they do not sponsor cost of attendance stipends that pay out monthly and typically range annually between $2,000 to $4,000 per student-athlete."

"Currently, UNI�s annual athletic scholarship cost across all sports is nearly $4.5 million and its Panther Scholarship Club typically raises nearly $1.5 in donations. This leaves the department with a roughly $3 million bill to cover annually. Until that number comes down, there doesn�t appear to be a pathway toward funding cost of attendance."

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 1:57:17 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

greencat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

greencat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

I hope MTSU enjoys that.

WKU was ready to move to the MAC. Mitsu sure screwed that one up.

Would love to see the Chattanooga Mocs go full D-1 in football and jump with WKU to the MAC. It's a really cool town if you haven't been there recently.

MTSU's whole argument of not wanting to travel that far made no sense considering that current members of C-USA and the travel required there. They're almost a full day's drive (I'm aware they would fly anyway) from UTEP.

There could be a nice little southern division of the MAC if WKU would get a little more lenient and let EKU into the fold too - they really want to transition up.

Middle just fired their football coach of 18 years. They are delusional. He took them to TEN bowl games. A regional school. Their last two bowl wins were over Toledo and San Diego State... and they fire the guy after one down year? He's a two-time Sun Belt and once C-USA coach of the year. His son (Brent, an assistant coach) will be in demand as a smart former QB should be.

Why does that shock you? We have some that want to fire a coach who has the schools only back to back 9 win seasons.

BTC- How true. Some of these people are ready to get rid of Coach Albin after winning 19 games in two years. I continue to shake my head at a few of these so called fans. Were these same "so called fans" ready to dismiss Boals after six losses in January last season?

This won't be the last time BTC stumbles around amusing himself by rejecting common sense and a few bots come to his aid, but I sincerely hope this is the last time I publicly question his ability to comprehend elementary level statistics on this specific topic.

Below is where Pope Albin and OU finished in 2023:

Strength of Schedule: 120th
(PowerRankingsGuru has us at 129th)

Total Offense: 97th (40th in 2022)
PPG: 100th (41st in 2022)
Passing: 86th
Passing TD: 95th
Rushing: 92nd
Total Yards: 92nd

Rourke Ranks (11 games both seasons):
2022 Passing TD: 26th
2023 Passing TD: 88th

2022 Passing Yards: 22nd
2023 Passing Yards: 65th

2022 Comp %: 6th
2023 Comp %: 50th

2022 Rating: 4th
2023 Rating: 70th

2022 Avg YPC: 3rd (9.2)
2023 Avg YPP: 65th (7.2)

Putting it lightly, we failed to meet expectations. OU was expected to win the division. They received 33% of the vote to win the MAC. In any other world, that is fireable. It's been said dozens and dozens of times, including by me, 9 wins is tremendous, nothing if not miraculous. But we went from having the #1 offense in the conference to 100th in FBS. #100. Against the 3rd EASIEST SCHEDULE in college football. Read that again. Have someone read it to you. The 100th ranked offense vs the 129th ranked schedule. 9 wins, again, amazing - as you message daily. Amazing stuff. Against the 129th ranked schedule. 100th ranked offense.

Led by a tremendous defense, we got lucky most weeks. We won ugly most weeks. The expectation was to - yes, win against the 4th easiest schedule in FBS - but to win the games we needed to win, to take the division and compete for a championship. It was not to REGRESS across the board when you returned 85% of the offense.

But yes - please continue to think you're getting off these hilarious one liners. You're really crushing it here.

*edit*
And your dumb comparison about Boals - I'm not sure where to even begin, but he brought in NINE NEW PLAYERS. 19 wins with a roster that lost 14 of the 16 players who scored points the prior year... They finished 5th in the conference. He deserves an extension just for that. But regardless - they were picked to finish 5th. They finished 5th. I mean, be upset if you want. I can't help you there.

Last Edited: 11/28/2023 2:02:52 PM by M.D.W.S.T

BillyTheCat
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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 2:39:11 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

greencat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

greencat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

I hope MTSU enjoys that.

Why does that shock you? We have some that want to fire a coach who has the schools only back to back 9 win seasons.

Just WIN Baby, just win!

Bobcat1996
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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 2:51:04 PM

Like BTC mentioned just win baby! Maybe you don't subscribe to the Al Davis theory? Knocking a program that just won nine games! Jump on the bandwagon in Columbus, because you sound exactly like most of their fans.

OhioCatFan
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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 3:17:11 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Let me combine both groups of idiots into one idiotic statement:

Fire Day in Columbus, fire Albin in Athens, and then bring Day to Athens. Both fan bases are now happy -- at least until the next loss!

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greencat
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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 3:34:28 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

MMGrad2022 wrote:

Adding more Ohio teams makes it less likely that an Ohio team would move on from the MAC

What is the logic here? The conference immediately becomes more diluted in an already crowded recruiting region. The MAC becomes less appealing with YSU.

What's going on with Indiana State, Illinois State, Southern Illinois? Is there any potential for those three to join the MACtion in the future? They all seem to care about sports.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 3:41:25 PM

greencat wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

MMGrad2022 wrote:

Adding more Ohio teams makes it less likely that an Ohio team would move on from the MAC

What is the logic here? The conference immediately becomes more diluted in an already crowded recruiting region. The MAC becomes less appealing with YSU.

What's going on with Indiana State, Illinois State, Southern Illinois? Is there any potential for those three to join the MACtion in the future? They all seem to care about sports.

I have a vague recollection that Indiana State was talked about at one point. Don't remember any details. If they'd be willing and able, I'd go for ISU and WKU as a package deal. I know that MTSU and WKU are rivals so both of them would have been a better deal, but Indiana State would not be bad, IMHO.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 6:44:14 PM

Logically, if the MAC is going to expand, they need to expand two things, the recruiting base, and the market area. Adding more schools in Ohio would only add additional teams recruiting the Ohio area, and weaken the conference. Thus, in my opinion, the MAC should probably look to add teams from states like Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, or Iowa.

OhioCatFan wrote:

How about adding 4 teams? You could add Indiana State, Illinois State or SIU, WKU, and Northern Iowa, and increase the covers of the MAC in all four states.

Last Edited: 11/28/2023 9:54:51 PM by L.C.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/28/2023 11:57:28 PM

L.C. wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

How about adding 4 teams? You could add Indiana State, Illinois State or SIU, WKU, and Northern Iowa, and increase the covers of the MAC in all four states.

SIU, I think, is the closest of those schools to Bowling Green, Ky. -- about 200 miles. It's a little farther to Indiana State, but only about a 3.5 hour bus ride from the WKU campus. Close enough, I think, for some rivalries to develop, but nothing like the "100 Miles of Hate" between WKU and MTSU.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/29/2023 6:57:50 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

L.C. wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

How about adding 4 teams? You could add Indiana State, Illinois State or SIU, WKU, and Northern Iowa, and increase the covers of the MAC in all four states.

They should re-name it the "100 miles of casual dislike" because it's not the bitter rivalry it used to be.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/29/2023 7:38:52 AM

Since we recruit the east coast a fair amount, would OHIO push to make our footprint go that way?

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/29/2023 12:03:00 PM

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

Since we recruit the east coast a fair amount, would OHIO push to make our footprint go that way?

Like UMASS and Temple? :)

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/29/2023 12:20:47 PM

Since Delaware and JMU are gone I was thinking more along Towson or others of that conference moving up.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/29/2023 11:41:56 PM

I would add Youngstown State and Eastern Kentucky. Very low travel cost. Both would really thrive in the MAC. Eastern Kentucky much closer to the MAC than Western Kentucky. They are the best FCS football programs that are closest to the MAC. MAC would save with the travel costs. The savings for the MAC would be moving BGSU to the west and placing Youngstown State and EKU in the East. YSU would be a closer trip for Buffalo than any other MAC school. Miami and Ball State closer to Eastern Kentucky. Less travel for student athletes. Helps with rivalries having BGSU and Toledo in same division with YSU, Akron and Kent State in same division. YSU also closer drive from Cleveland area alumni of MAC schools like Akron and Kent State are.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/30/2023 1:05:08 PM

I still think Illinois State being 115 miles from Northern Illinois might be a good addition. They have wins over Colorado State and Northwestern in the last ten years in football. 14 times in the NIT in hoops and 6 times in the big dance.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/30/2023 1:54:08 PM

greencat wrote:

They could develop rivalries with both NIU and Ball State (Red Bird RUMBLE) - smells like a MAC program already. Interesting note about their stadium is that it was designed in a way that it could be further expanded upon.

Any MAC expansion would have to create regional interest and rivalries that make sense and the league more enjoyable to watch. I'm still not convinced a YSU addition does that to put yet another team in Ohio, but schools like Illinois State, WKU, EKU, UNI and Southern Illinois probably do. The east coast schools and the Dakotas are just too remote.

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RE: Conference USA Adding Delaware

Posted: 11/30/2023 2:09:40 PM

Thinking about it, Conference USA should try to also add Hawaii and Alaska. That way they would really cover the entire US. Travel times might be high, but that's normal for Conference USA already.
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