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I'm a master of the obvious. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,895 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:10:02 PM  The good news… It isn’t that we don’t play hard. We just play poorly. Lost possessions. Bad defense tonight. Bad offense tonight. Back to Top FJC31 General User Member Since: 3/31/2022 Post Count: 1,253 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:11:00 PM  Never could’ve imagined getting dominated by Toledo at home post-Shumate, Milltner, and Dennis. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,241 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:15:46 PM  FJC31 wrote: Never could’ve imagined getting dominated by Toledo at home post-Shumate, Milltner, and Dennis. No reason for us to be dominated by Tyler Friggin Cochran. Pathetic. And Boals needs to give us an IJ update. I would take Foster, Towns, Wight, McMurray, Gareri, Rifen and Nate Springs--at least they played--and Boals ran them out of town. If I were Lee Martin I'd do it myself but he is probably the reason IJ gets to live the sweet life. Last Edited: 1/2/2024 9:16:58 PM by Bobcat1998 Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,152 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:16:20 PM  FJC31 wrote: Never could’ve imagined getting dominated by Toledo at home post-Shumate, Milltner, and Dennis. And they play five freshman. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top FormerMember General User Member Since: 1/7/2022 Post Count: 149 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:18:38 PM  This team is regressing. They played way too sloppy today. With as bad as our defense is, we need our offense to carry this team on a nightly basis and they simply aren't right now. Hunter and Mitchell should be two of the best players on this team but they're not performing at the level necessary for this team to be successful. I agree with some of the other posters that want to see Elmore and Clayton receive more opportunities on offense. I don't think recruiting is Boals problem. He brings in highly regarded talent. I think the bigger issue is bringing in guys that fit what he's looking to run and coaching them up. I'd take a wager that we have as many 3+ star recruits as anyone else in the MAC. I think it's to start questioning some of Boals tactics. Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,089 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:23:37 PM  I apologize to whoever took my tickets. Sorry you sat through that. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,241 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:28:54 PM  FormerMember wrote: This team is regressing. They played way too sloppy today. With as bad as our defense is, we need our offense to carry this team on a nightly basis and they simply aren't right now. Hunter and Mitchell should be two of the best players on this team but they're not performing at the level necessary for this team to be successful. I agree with some of the other posters that want to see Elmore and Clayton receive more opportunities on offense. I don't think recruiting is Boals problem. He brings in highly regarded talent. I think the bigger issue is bringing in guys that fit what he's looking to run and coaching them up. I'd take a wager that we have as many 3+ star recruits as anyone else in the MAC. I think it's to start questioning some of Boals tactics. You hit the nail on the head. It's why until today we had 6 losses by 6 or less pts. But we have no gamechangers. JP, BVP, DW3..heck, Sears or a Mike Laster were gamechangers. Clayton is very good but cannot create his own shot. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 1,825 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 9:36:21 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: If I were Lee Martin I'd do it myself but he is probably the reason IJ gets to live the sweet life. If you’ve ever wondered why Wiz has the worlds second longest leash… Back to Top Urban Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/14/2007 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 800 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 10:07:11 PM  We just need to be better. Maybe a team trip to Parkersburg is in the near future. URBAN BOBCAT Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,089 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 10:21:16 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: Bobcat1998 wrote: If I were Lee Martin I'd do it myself but he is probably the reason IJ gets to live the sweet life. If you’ve ever wondered why Wiz has the worlds second longest leash… Speaking of I J, what's the deal? He's still sits on the bench with then team? Who does he have nekked pictures of? Back to Top oubobcatjohn General User Member Since: 1/1/2005 Post Count: 803 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 10:33:19 PM  We are what we are. We don't rebound, Shoot, handle the ball or defend enough to beat average division I teams. MAC has lots of mediocre teams, but we aren't contenders this year. We get waxed at home for the third time against 6 division I teams. We have lost to Toledo, Cleveland State, Youngstown State already. Good luck with recruiting. We might be the worst division I team the state this year. Miami might have a say about that still. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,763 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/2/2024 10:57:54 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: FormerMember wrote: This team is regressing. They played way too sloppy today. With as bad as our defense is, we need our offense to carry this team on a nightly basis and they simply aren't right now. Hunter and Mitchell should be two of the best players on this team but they're not performing at the level necessary for this team to be successful. I agree with some of the other posters that want to see Elmore and Clayton receive more opportunities on offense. I don't think recruiting is Boals problem. He brings in highly regarded talent. I think the bigger issue is bringing in guys that fit what he's looking to run and coaching them up. I'd take a wager that we have as many 3+ star recruits as anyone else in the MAC. I think it's to start questioning some of Boals tactics. You hit the nail on the head. It's why until today we had 6 losses by 6 or less pts. But we have no gamechangers. JP, BVP, DW3..heck, Sears or a Mike Laster were gamechangers. Clayton is very good but cannot create his own shot. Mike Laster?? Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,241 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 7:37:25 AM  SBH wrote: Bobcat1998 wrote: FormerMember wrote: This team is regressing. They played way too sloppy today. With as bad as our defense is, we need our offense to carry this team on a nightly basis and they simply aren't right now. Hunter and Mitchell should be two of the best players on this team but they're not performing at the level necessary for this team to be successful. I agree with some of the other posters that want to see Elmore and Clayton receive more opportunities on offense. I don't think recruiting is Boals problem. He brings in highly regarded talent. I think the bigger issue is bringing in guys that fit what he's looking to run and coaching them up. I'd take a wager that we have as many 3+ star recruits as anyone else in the MAC. I think it's to start questioning some of Boals tactics. You hit the nail on the head. It's why until today we had 6 losses by 6 or less pts. But we have no gamechangers. JP, BVP, DW3..heck, Sears or a Mike Laster were gamechangers. Clayton is very good but cannot create his own shot. Mike Laster?? In Laster's final season he was someone we could count on to go get buckets. He wasn't a world beater but he was consistent from all spots on the floor. I wish we had someone like him on this team. Back to Top ohiocatfan1 General User Member Since: 9/6/2016 Post Count: 325 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 7:52:47 AM  Bobcat1998 wrote: How do you give up a layup off a FT? And what is wrong with Miles? Total B-Rod issues right now. No confidence. Miles looked like he didn't even want to be there. Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,010 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 7:56:14 AM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: Bobcat1998 wrote: If I were Lee Martin I'd do it myself but he is probably the reason IJ gets to live the sweet life. If you’ve ever wondered why Wiz has the worlds second longest leash… Actually, vs Toledo the leash should have been longer. While Wiznitzer was on the bench the Bobcats went down by 13. He came in and somehow the Bobcats closed the gap. When he was on the bench the Rockets had no trouble penetrating and scoring bunches of 2 pointers. Hadaway gave us nothing while Clayton had too few opportunities. Since there was little defense with the lineups we played, why not put Gabe and Clayton on the floor at the same time to see if that mix would work. Coaches are too much in the "how do we match up to them" mode vs "let's see how they match up to us". It couldn't have been any worse than the final outcome. No wonder Clayton fires up a three every time he touches it out there. He must feel that the only way he will touch the ball is if he gets an offensive rebound. Now maybe he doesn't move well without the ball or know how to make himself a target. On the radio it sounded like Hadaway had touches and that should have been Clayton while Gabe played the nobody ever passes it to me Clayton position. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,492 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 8:13:08 AM  For a "close" game, it never really felt that close. We had opportunities to make a run that were squandered by untimely turnovers and empty possessions. If Sheldon continues to shoot from the perimeter with this much confidence, somehow he has to see the floor. Maybe that's him taking minutes from Miles, who looks lost right now for some reason. I understand Sheldon might be a defensive liability, but he's the only guy amongst our guards than can stretch the defense and provide outside shooting. Also, maybe we should try the severely undersized shorts that worked so well for Toledo's stars? Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,719 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 8:19:07 AM  I sat in the vacated Ozone right on the court which is always fun to see how big, strong & fast things are down there. Toledo's offense is elite. Simmons, Wilson & Lewis...3 freshmen go 11 for 13 from the field, 5 assists 0 turnovers. They're smooth and comfortable and the whole damn team just shoots the ball well, or at least did last night. And 0 seniors. I would be excited if I'm a Rocket fan. Coach Boals seemed despondent last night. Grumpy in more of a quiet way, not an angry way. His subs were more of the "you pissed me off there, come sit on the bench" variety. The whole vibe seemed icy...this team needs a good night in the worst way right now. Ben Wight played 8 minutes, grabbed some rebounds and committed some fouls. Uneventful handshake. He sure handled his trip the Convo more classy and gracefully than Sam Towns. Clayton did the catch and hoist awkward 3s of yesteryear and I hated it. He is a legit post player in the MAC. Let's embrace it. And Hadaway's ups and positioning and sense are really good...but he too camped out on the perimeter several times and even hoisted 2 threes himself. Hadaway should almost never be shooting 3s, and Clayton when he is spotted up open. We have a ball handling / shot creating issue. EJ4 does his thing, but I worry that is getting sniffed out more with the same 1 or 2 pop and spin moves that opponents are starting to look for. Jaylin is really struggling with his outside shot and not having much luck distributing. Shereef is reckless with the ball. Sheldon doesn't have the size and stones yet and Miles seems reluctant, even though I believe he has PG skills. Someone mentioned Mark Sears. Yeah, he is exactly what this team needs. We need our 5th year seniors Jaylin & Miles to step up and quarterback this team better going forward. One thing we did well was hustle back and defend on breakaways. I think we had 5 really nice blocks/defenses of would be sure buckets, 2 of which brought completely garbage fouls from the very whistle happy refs. I do credit Toledo, I thought they looked really good. We really need to get a win Saturday and if so, week 1 isn't so disastrous. Drop another one at home Saturday and it's a sad state of affairs. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top ohiocatfan1 General User Member Since: 9/6/2016 Post Count: 325 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 8:57:47 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Gonna predict the refs' calls are going to start going Ohio's way in the 2nd half. It can't get any worse, can it? We foul a lot this year. We're on the bottom ~15% of college basketball in a bunch of foul related stats. Something like 24% of our opponents points come from the line, we commit ~20 fouls a game. We actually defend shots from the floor well, particularly threes. But we give away a lot of points at the free throw line. Likely because we are undersized. Inability to defend without fouling was beyond horrible. Toledo went to the line 31 times. Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,089 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 9:26:14 AM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Ben Wight played 8 minutes, grabbed some rebounds and committed some fouls. Uneventful handshake. He sure handled his trip the Convo more classy and gracefully than Sam Towns. William & Mary is one of few U.S. universities recognized as "Public Ivy." It offers the lowest student-to-faculty ratio (13-to-one) among leading national public universities. So he went there for 4 years. Is that really anything to be bummed out about? Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,152 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 9:28:25 AM  100%Cat wrote: If Sheldon continues to shoot from the perimeter with this much confidence, somehow he has to see the floor. Maybe that's him taking minutes from Miles, who looks lost right now for some reason. I understand Sheldon might be a defensive liability, but he's the only guy amongst our guards than can stretch the defense and provide outside shooting. At this point, what does Boals have to lose? We can't make a 3 point shot, but the only guy who is doing it consistently the last few games is Sheldon. I know defense is an issue, but start him at the 2-guard with Hunter. Bring Reef in off the bench. Sheldon is nowhere close to being a PG. Maybe we find lightning in a bottle and the kid turns into Chad Estis. I would sign up for that type of Sheldon career right now. Last Edited: 1/3/2024 9:32:28 AM by FearLeon #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top FJC31 General User Member Since: 3/31/2022 Post Count: 1,253 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 9:59:24 AM  FearLeon wrote: 100%Cat wrote: If Sheldon continues to shoot from the perimeter with this much confidence, somehow he has to see the floor. Maybe that's him taking minutes from Miles, who looks lost right now for some reason. I understand Sheldon might be a defensive liability, but he's the only guy amongst our guards than can stretch the defense and provide outside shooting. At this point, what does Boals have to lose? We can't make a 3 point shot, but the only guy who is doing it consistently the last few games is Sheldon. I know defense is an issue, but start him at the 2-guard with Hunter. Bring Reef in off the bench. Sheldon is nowhere close to being a PG. Maybe we find lightning in a bottle and the kid turns into Chad Estis. I would sign up for that type of Sheldon career right now. I'd be all for this. I said in the Davidson thread it might be time to separate Shereef and Jaylin. I get they're buddies; but the we desperately need to spread the defense out more. They're skill-sets are identical at this point and it isn't complimentary. I think they also have a tendency to look for each other first. Pair Sheldon with one and Miles with the other. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,763 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 10:08:35 AM  Bobcat1998 wrote: SBH wrote: Bobcat1998 wrote: FormerMember wrote: This team is regressing. They played way too sloppy today. With as bad as our defense is, we need our offense to carry this team on a nightly basis and they simply aren't right now. Hunter and Mitchell should be two of the best players on this team but they're not performing at the level necessary for this team to be successful. I agree with some of the other posters that want to see Elmore and Clayton receive more opportunities on offense. I don't think recruiting is Boals problem. He brings in highly regarded talent. I think the bigger issue is bringing in guys that fit what he's looking to run and coaching them up. I'd take a wager that we have as many 3+ star recruits as anyone else in the MAC. I think it's to start questioning some of Boals tactics. You hit the nail on the head. It's why until today we had 6 losses by 6 or less pts. But we have no gamechangers. JP, BVP, DW3..heck, Sears or a Mike Laster were gamechangers. Clayton is very good but cannot create his own shot. Mike Laster?? In Laster's final season he was someone we could count on to go get buckets. He wasn't a world beater but he was consistent from all spots on the floor. I wish we had someone like him on this team. Elmore James. We all hoped Laster could be a difference maker but he never was. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,763 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 10:10:39 AM  MonroeClassmate wrote: [QUOTE=M.D.W.S.T] [QUOTE=Bobcat1998] why not put Gabe and Clayton on the floor at the same time to see if that mix would work. Coaches are too much in the "how do we match up to them" mode vs "let's see how they match up to us". I've been saying this for weeks. I also believe Sheldon deserves more minutes, although the kid (like most everyone else on this team) can't make free throws. Last Edited: 1/3/2024 10:14:49 AM by SBH Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 1,931 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 13 Thread: Toledo    Posted: 1/3/2024 10:24:20 AM  I'm not knocking the ideas. We definitely need to shake things up and try something. But you know the season has gone off the rails when the best we can come up with is we need to play Sheldon and Wiznitzer more. 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