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Topic:  So If Captain Chaos Misses Games And With Elmore Gone….
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FearLeon
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  Message Not Read  So If Captain Chaos Misses Games And With Elmore Gone….
   Posted: 1/18/2025 10:49:31 AM 
The starting lineup is going to feature Vic or Elliott moving forward I would assume.

Last Edited: 1/18/2025 10:52:02 AM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 1/18/2025 1:14:01 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
The starting lineup is going to feature Vic or Elliott moving forward I would assume.


Boals clearly does not want to play Evans, but we are getting to the point where he has no choice. I can't wait to see how this develops.
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  Message Not Read  RE: So If Captain Chaos Misses Games And With Elmore Gone….
   Posted: 1/18/2025 1:45:40 PM 
I’d like to see Searls, just to bump AJC to a more natural 4 and see how the offense runs with a true paint presence.

I wouldn’t rule out Sheldon as an option, though.

Last Edited: 1/18/2025 2:31:48 PM by FJC31
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   Posted: 1/18/2025 1:54:28 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
I’d like to see Searls, just bump AJC to a more natural 4 and see how the offense runs with a true paint presence.

I wouldn’t rule out Sheldon, though.


Thought about Sheldon....but take away the Memphis game...and it feels like he's shooting 11% this year from 3-point land.

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   Posted: 1/18/2025 1:56:01 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
The starting lineup is going to feature Vic or Elliott moving forward I would assume.


Boals clearly does not want to play Evans, but we are getting to the point where he has no choice. I can't wait to see how this develops.


Agree about Boals and Evans. Don't get Evans not hitting the court against Akron. With Chaos possibly out and missing games, how do you not get Evans out there and get him more ready moving forward? He could have at least played for Clayton in the last five minutes.

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  Message Not Read  RE: So If Captain Chaos Misses Games And With Elmore Gone….
   Posted: 1/18/2025 2:18:44 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
I’d like to see Searls, just bump AJC to a more natural 4 and see how the offense runs with a true paint presence.

I wouldn’t rule out Sheldon, though.


Thought about Sheldon....but take away the Memphis game...and it feels like he's shooting 11% this year from 3-point land.


Sheldon is 21-61 34.4% from 3 this year. He was 6-10 against Memphis, leaving him 15-51 29.4% from 3 outside that game.

For his career he's:
2022-23, 7-23
2023-24, 38-82
2024-25, 21-61

Total, 66-166 39.8%

So he's definitely 5-10% below his career norms this year.

We could certainly use another guy in addition to AJB to step up from 3 with Elmore gone and Pavs not a threat for those games when Clayton is off.
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   Posted: 1/18/2025 2:36:33 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
I’d like to see Searls, just bump AJC to a more natural 4 and see how the offense runs with a true paint presence.

I wouldn’t rule out Sheldon, though.


Thought about Sheldon....but take away the Memphis game...and it feels like he's shooting 11% this year from 3-point land.


Sheldon is 21-61 34.4% from 3 this year. He was 6-10 against Memphis, leaving him 15-51 29.4% from 3 outside that game.

For his career he's:
2022-23, 7-23
2023-24, 38-82
2024-25, 21-61

Total, 66-166 39.8%

So he's definitely 5-10% below his career norms this year.

We could certainly use another guy in addition to AJB to step up from 3 with Elmore gone and Pavs not a threat for those games when Clayton is off.



Ridiculous stat-picking analysis to pile on a player. You want to selectively choose which games count for a players season stats? C'mon man. Sheldon is a shooter and is going to hit big threes for us this year, book it.
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   Posted: 1/18/2025 2:42:37 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
I’d like to see Searls, just bump AJC to a more natural 4 and see how the offense runs with a true paint presence.

I wouldn’t rule out Sheldon, though.


Thought about Sheldon....but take away the Memphis game...and it feels like he's shooting 11% this year from 3-point land.


Sheldon is 21-61 34.4% from 3 this year. He was 6-10 against Memphis, leaving him 15-51 29.4% from 3 outside that game.

For his career he's:
2022-23, 7-23
2023-24, 38-82
2024-25, 21-61

Total, 66-166 39.8%

So he's definitely 5-10% below his career norms this year.

We could certainly use another guy in addition to AJB to step up from 3 with Elmore gone and Pavs not a threat for those games when Clayton is off.



Ridiculous stat-picking analysis to pile on a player. You want to selectively choose which games count for a players season stats? C'mon man. Sheldon is a shooter and is going to hit big threes for us this year, book it.


Is everyone on the drugs today?
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   Posted: 1/18/2025 3:41:16 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
Sheldon is a shooter and is going to hit big threes for us this year, book it.


He's definitely a shooter. Would do Ohio good if he started being a maker a little more.
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   Posted: 1/18/2025 3:46:02 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
I’d like to see Searls, just bump AJC to a more natural 4 and see how the offense runs with a true paint presence.

I wouldn’t rule out Sheldon, though.


Thought about Sheldon....but take away the Memphis game...and it feels like he's shooting 11% this year from 3-point land.


Sheldon is 21-61 34.4% from 3 this year. He was 6-10 against Memphis, leaving him 15-51 29.4% from 3 outside that game.

For his career he's:
2022-23, 7-23
2023-24, 38-82
2024-25, 21-61

Total, 66-166 39.8%

So he's definitely 5-10% below his career norms this year.

We could certainly use another guy in addition to AJB to step up from 3 with Elmore gone and Pavs not a threat for those games when Clayton is off.



Ridiculous stat-picking analysis to pile on a player. You want to selectively choose which games count for a players season stats? C'mon man. Sheldon is a shooter and is going to hit big threes for us this year, book it.


How is this piling on a player? Stats don’t lie. Just like stats didn’t lie with BRod the last two years of his career. Sheldon has been horrible this year as a 3 point shooter. Dude is a competitor and he would even tell you he’s been awful from 3 this year. Hopefully, he can get his stroke back.

It amazes me how sensitive so many people on this board are.


Last Edited: 1/18/2025 4:07:58 PM by FearLeon

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  Message Not Read  RE: So If Captain Chaos Misses Games And With Elmore Gone….
   Posted: 1/18/2025 4:17:02 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
I’d like to see Searls, just bump AJC to a more natural 4 and see how the offense runs with a true paint presence.

I wouldn’t rule out Sheldon, though.


Thought about Sheldon....but take away the Memphis game...and it feels like he's shooting 11% this year from 3-point land.


Sheldon is 21-61 34.4% from 3 this year. He was 6-10 against Memphis, leaving him 15-51 29.4% from 3 outside that game.

For his career he's:
2022-23, 7-23
2023-24, 38-82
2024-25, 21-61

Total, 66-166 39.8%

So he's definitely 5-10% below his career norms this year.

We could certainly use another guy in addition to AJB to step up from 3 with Elmore gone and Pavs not a threat for those games when Clayton is off.



Ridiculous stat-picking analysis to pile on a player. You want to selectively choose which games count for a players season stats? C'mon man. Sheldon is a shooter and is going to hit big threes for us this year, book it.


WTH?

I was just responding to the post that said, outside Memphis, he hasn't been great - so I produced the stats. But I also provided his whole season (with Memphis) AND his career numbers, for context.

It's why I said he's 5% below career norms (including Memphis) to 10% (excluding Memphis).

How is that stat-picking again?

Also, stating facts isn't piling on. I like Sheldon. He's one of our best 3 pt options, and it's exactly why I said we could use him as that other option in addition to AJB and Clayton this year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: So If Captain Chaos Misses Games And With Elmore Gone….
   Posted: 1/18/2025 4:56:25 PM 
Here's some clarity for you. Players don't produce the same statistical percentages each game throughout a season. They have good games, they have bad games. The purpose of season stats is to show a player's statistical averages over all the games that season, same thing for career stats. It seems ridiculous to me to produce stats that remove particular games from an analysis, good games or bad games, to make a point about a players performance on the year. Sheldon is shooting 3s at a percentage 5.4% less than his career percentage according to the info you provided (trust you, I didn't look them up), to say that his shooting is anywhere near 10% less than his career is stat-picking. Would it be a good argument if I went back and removed all his bad shooting games from an analysis and claim he's X% range better? No. As Fear said, stats don't lie. So when talking about a season, or a career, why not use the season or career stats and not pick the games you want to include?

To be fair, in my response to your post I missed that you were replying specifically to Fears post about taking away the Memphis game, my bad. But on your own you claimed he "definitely" was shooting up to 10% below his career norms this year and that is statistically ridiculous unless you are stat-picking. That is adding 4.6% to his statistical decrease, and if anyone thinks that is a small number and I'm being "sensitive," that career percentage difference on three point shooting is enormous.

And for shooting vs making, my point was purely from watching Sheldon shoot the ball. Balance, release, follow through, rotation, the dude is a shooter.
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   Posted: 1/18/2025 7:15:40 PM 
12 of 44 over the last 12 games, or 27%. He has a DI scholarship because of his reputation as a "shooter". A lot of Ohio fans, not all, are hoping/waiting for him to start "making" at a higher rate.

Supplemental data (don't continue reading if not in favor of stat-picking games): throw out the DIII opponent during that 12-game stretch, our "shooter" is 9 of 41, or 22%, in Ohio's last 11 games.

Last Edited: 1/18/2025 7:16:48 PM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 1/18/2025 8:21:08 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
12 of 44 over the last 12 games, or 27%. He has a DI scholarship because of his reputation as a "shooter". A lot of Ohio fans, not all, are hoping/waiting for him to start "making" at a higher rate.

Supplemental data (don't continue reading if not in favor of stat-picking games): throw out the DIII opponent during that 12-game stretch, our "shooter" is 9 of 41, or 22%, in Ohio's last 11 games.


+1

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   Posted: 1/18/2025 9:44:19 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
12 of 44 over the last 12 games, or 27%. He has a DI scholarship because of his reputation as a "shooter". A lot of Ohio fans, not all, are hoping/waiting for him to start "making" at a higher rate.

Supplemental data (don't continue reading if not in favor of stat-picking games): throw out the DIII opponent during that 12-game stretch, our "shooter" is 9 of 41, or 22%, in Ohio's last 11 games.


+1


Also, if Sheldon gets more key minutes, he’s seemingly going to see higher level defenders.

It’s not a sustainable solution.
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   Posted: 1/19/2025 5:31:13 PM 
You all know I have been a big Sheldon supporter, but his outside shooting has been a huge disappointment this year. If he was shooting it at the rate he did last season it would likely make a huge difference in our results this season. Several misses were wide open and the type of shot that you knew was going in last year. Ajay would himself would tell you it has been a disappointment and wouldn't be upset by the information shared and points made.

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   Posted: 1/20/2025 9:19:00 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
You all know I have been a big Sheldon supporter, but his outside shooting has been a huge disappointment this year. If he was shooting it at the rate he did last season it would likely make a huge difference in our results this season. Several misses were wide open and the type of shot that you knew was going in last year. Ajay would himself would tell you it has been a disappointment and wouldn't be upset by the information shared and points made.


It looks like Sheldon is letting the long balls fly more off balance and up in the air than in the past instead of taking a split second to get those shoulders squared up to the bucket. Nothing that can't be corrected.
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   Posted: 1/20/2025 10:15:55 AM 
I've noticed the same.
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   Posted: 1/20/2025 10:42:08 AM 
If Hadaway misses an extended period of time, I think we're going to struggle.

We'll also miss Elmore more than some folks here realize. He took a couple of bad fadeaways a game, but he was also one of the few guys actually making threes reliably. It's hard to say what Elliot is as a shooter -- he's only taken 6 threes on the year -- but he's looked hesitant to take those looks, and a PG with his size and athleticism very rarely ends up in the MAC if he can also shoot -- so I'm inclined to think his shooting is a work in progress.

Searls is going to see the biggest minutes increase, I suspect. A four guard lineup anchored around Clayton just doesn't have enough length to rebound and protect the rim; if we test that look for stretches, we are going to have to shoot better than we have from 3 to make it work. That means Pavs back to his career levels, Sheldon back to career levels, and Reef maintaining the rate he's at now.
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   Posted: 1/20/2025 11:17:53 AM 
I'm much more confident that Sheldon can re-find his stroke from 3 and make up for EJ4s production than I am that a combination of Searls/Evans can make up for a guy performing at a 2nd team All-MAC level.

The only guy we could afford to lose less than Hadaway is Clayton.

If he's out for an extended time I also think we're going to struggle.

Could turn home games against Kent and Appy St and road BG game from Ws to Ls.
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   Posted: 1/20/2025 6:34:56 PM 
To add a comment to the Shelton discussion. I just think lately he is taking some ridiculous shots at the wrong time…way early in the shot clock and not from his “spots” on the court. Like many players on this team trying to do too much individually without team orientation.

Last Edited: 1/20/2025 6:35:55 PM by Casper71
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   Posted: 1/21/2025 12:12:27 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
. . . Like many players on this team trying to do too much individually without team orientation.


Yes, that's my perception, too. As I said in another post, it appears to me that our talent level is higher than what you would think looking at the results on the court. Or, the whole is less than the sum of its parts. I know that's very subjective, but that's the way it looks to me.

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   Posted: 1/21/2025 5:22:05 PM 
Nothing much new from Boals in this postgame interview after Akron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPKvJ1VJ7po

Said Hadaway suffered a "sprain" and wasn't sure how bad it was. Elmore's situation wasn't even brought up
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   Posted: 1/21/2025 6:12:08 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


Searls is going to see the biggest minutes increase, I suspect. .


For this reason alone should be enough to give Evans more run. I don't get it. There's no 33% rule on redshirting in basketball. At this point what do you have to lose? Getting zero minutes again Akron and only two against Ball State after getting 33 minutes total in the previous three games is so weird. What is Boals waiting for? At the very least he's a body to spell Clayton and Searls some minutes and someone taller than 6'5" who can rebound.
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