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  Message Not Read  Official Post App State Complaint Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 5:27:09 PM 

That second half was so awful that I think we need a thread dedicated to talking about how bad OHIO basketball is right now. I don't think I've witnessed a worse half of OHIO basketball in many, many years. We looked totally inept. The bad passes, with no pressure, when we had a chance to cut into the lead were killers. The 3-point shooting that was as bad as our three-point defense was just horrendous.

And, I thought that non-p5 schools couldn't recruit 6-10+ guys who could walk and chew gum at the same time. Well it appeared that App State had at least two.

I like all of our players individually. They seem like really nice guys. Many of them seem to have a fair amount of talent, but as a team they are not really very good.

And, today, so far the MAC has won 7 and lost 4 to the Sunbelt. I believe there is one game remaining, in which CMU has and early lead 16-9, as I type this. All of the other supposed top MAC teams won -- Toledo, Akron, Miami, even Kent State. So, the MAC may be weak this year, but OHIO is not one of the top teams by any measure. Early in the season I thought this "team to beat" mantra about our team being the best in the MAC was pure hype, and now it's clear that I was right. And, I'm usually the cockeyed optimist. Something about this team just has never inspired me, and now I think I'm seeing in more depth just exactly why.

Sorry for the rant, but I just had to get this out of my system.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 5:36:14 PM 
Is it time to start talking about who are next coach should be?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 5:36:28 PM 
Copied from App State game thread:

I am so tired of hearing our coach say we get outbid for bigs. Appalachian State is finding a way to make it happen and so are many other mid-majors. We have now gone two consecutive seasons without a starting true “big” who can give us 25 to 30 minutes of solid basketball. We can’t compete for championships with the current recruiting philosophy.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:22:12 PM 
Boals is going to have some tough decisions to make after this season in terms of who he wants to keep off this year’s roster for next season. And sorry…players are getting paid…it is what it is. You have to treat schollies like one year contracts.

If they don’t transfer, Brown and Elliott yes. Pav and Captain Chaos yes. Kuany yes.

But after these five, I don’t think there are any slam dunks with the other players returning. Elmore maybe.

But every other scholarship players on the roster you can question what their future is moving forward at Ohio.

Sheldon
Nicol
Evans
Burris (incomplete grade though because redshirt year)


Last Edited: 2/8/2025 6:24:00 PM by FearLeon

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:36:35 PM 
I just think a lot of this season's teams issues are

1) The best player on the team is a soft, no-defense, stretch big - who when he is on from the outside is a match-up nightmare, and when he isn't is a net negative. Clayton most nights is either really good or really bad.

2) Boals runs a free-flowing unstructured offense that is predicated on having a "jack of all trades" elite PG (Preston, Hunter etc) who can break down the defense an either get to the hoop and finish/get the foul, or drive and kick to our open shooters. Say what you want about Paveletzke - and he's a tough kid - but he isn't putting this team on his back as that type of PG.

3) With the 4-out, 1-in philosophy you have to do certain things well. Limit turnovers. Gang rebound. Shoot the 3 well.

All things considered, we've been fine with the turnovers.
Our rebounding is terrible.
We've really struggled (from where we thought we'd be) shooting the 3. Sheldon (30%), Pavs (29%), Elmore (35%), AJB (37%), Hadaway (34%), Reef (38%), Clayton (39%), Elliott (46% now but on 5 makes, 2 today in the last minute).

This team isn't going to win the MAC with Clayton and Pavs being the "guys" unless we shoot the lights out. And we aren't.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:39:08 PM 
JimLurker34 wrote:
Is it time to start talking about who are next coach should be?


No. Not even close. Call me in 3 years when Boals is still 500 or below with multiple 1st round exits in Cleveland.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:41:35 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Copied from App State game thread:

I am so tired of hearing our coach say we get outbid for bigs. Appalachian State is finding a way to make it happen and so are many other mid-majors. We have now gone two consecutive seasons without a starting true “big” who can give us 25 to 30 minutes of solid basketball. We can’t compete for championships with the current recruiting philosophy.


Boals did recruit a big this year. In fact he recruited TWO. Searls and Evans. Evans was never going to play big minutes this year. He's going to need a season or two to develop. By his Jr/Sr years he'll be a contributing big in the MAC. We needed a backup to AJC this year - which Searls has filled admirably.

With both AJC and Searls moving on, I expect Evans to be a bench guy next year - means our starting big for next year isn't on the roster yet.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:51:13 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Copied from App State game thread:

I am so tired of hearing our coach say we get outbid for bigs. Appalachian State is finding a way to make it happen and so are many other mid-majors. We have now gone two consecutive seasons without a starting true “big” who can give us 25 to 30 minutes of solid basketball. We can’t compete for championships with the current recruiting philosophy.


Boals did recruit a big this year. In fact he recruited TWO. Searls and Evans. Evans was never going to play big minutes this year. He's going to need a season or two to develop. By his Jr/Sr years he'll be a contributing big in the MAC. We needed a backup to AJC this year - which Searls has filled admirably.

With both AJC and Searls moving on, I expect Evans to be a bench guy next year - means our starting big for next year isn't on the roster yet.



Yes…correct about Searls and Evans and their roles. At least, Vic is serviceable off the bench for 8-10 minutes a game. My point is nobody expected them to start and give 25 to 30 minutes of solid basketball night in and night out. They were always going to be bigs coming off the bench this season. And it’s obvious that Evans will not be playing 25 to 30 minutes per game next season.

The fact is, Boals has been unable the last two years to bring in a Dwight Wilson type big. Or even a big that is 50% of Wilson’s caliber.




Last Edited: 2/8/2025 8:09:22 PM by FearLeon

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 7:46:03 PM 
I’m tired of looking at other teams like App St and thinking “they’ve got some ‘dudes,’ I wish we had some.” If App St can get athletic, physical bigs (plural) in Boone, NC, why can’t we get at least ONE in Athens?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 9:13:42 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
I’m tired of looking at other teams like App St and thinking “they’ve got some ‘dudes,’ I wish we had some.” If App St can get athletic, physical bigs (plural) in Boone, NC, why can’t we get at least ONE in Athens?


Well, I watched the last 12 minutes of CMU's 85-70 thumping of Texas State, and they had some big guys who played well. Their roster lists three guys 6-10 or bigger. One of them -- Jarusevicius, who is 6'10" -- played 33 minutes, got 14 rebounds and scored 19 points. Who do we have that can guard him? And what will his presence do to our offense when he plays rim protector? We beat these guys back in early January in their gym, but it looks to me like they've improved since then and we've regressed. I hope we can right the ship, but it does look like they have "some dudes" who are putting it together and we don't. Perhaps, I'm wrong and overreacting, but after that last half of basketball today, I'm not ready to concede yet that we aren't headed for unseeded position in the MAC tournament and a first-round exit.

Last Edited: 2/8/2025 9:15:33 PM by OhioCatFan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 10:17:05 PM 
Interesting edit that a mod made of the title of this thread -- the word "bitch" was replaced by the word "complaint." I submit that "bitch" was an appropriate word. The meanings of the word in a reputable dictionary:

1. the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals

2. informal + often offensive: a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman

3. informal: something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
Aspirin overdoses are a bitch to treat.

4. informal: COMPLAINT

It was pretty obvious that I was using definition #4 and not any of the others. So, why was the use of "bitch" in this context offensive?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/8/2025 10:43:48 PM 
Just got a text from a friend who has been a season-ticket holder for 40+ years. He said that the talent we have has never jelled, and there were times in the second-half that reminded him of "Bandy-ball." For those who have been around here long enough, they will know what that means. Boy, I hope that's not the direction in which we are headed.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/9/2025 2:53:52 AM 
Boals has won enough to be safe, but it isn't going to excite anyone. He has done poor non-conference. His team usually peak. Hadaway injury sucked the life out of this team. Searles is a backup big at best at this level. He is a 10 minute guy. My question is wtf is Evans doing. For all the hype this kid had he hasn't earned any playing and for good reason. He is a complete disaster on the floor. Boals can't play him. Nicol in year two also nowhere good enough to see the floor. Someone on the staff needs to be fired for the lack of development. We are 20 games in and Evans and Nicol are so bad Boals can't play them even after losing Hadaway. My guess is they are shown the door after the season and Boals hits the portal for legit division I players that can play now. The lack of improvement from James and Sheldon also reflect poorly on Boals staff. Boals needs to make changes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/9/2025 12:18:21 PM 
Dale Bandy, ha ha ha! How about Billy Hahn, ha ha ha. I will tell you what I miss. Recruits from New York City, like John Devereau, recruits from Philadelphia, like Vic Alexander, recruits from inner city Cincinnati like Brandon Hunter. These were all big guys that were considered under the radar. But somehow we were able to get them to come here and develop them. Just looking at the game yesterday how could we miss on the kid from Pickering north? He chose App State over Ohio? This is all about recruiting. The staff has done a poor job of recruiting. As we all have all been saying, we are not big enough or athletic enough. This team could do well well in a 6’4” league and under. Unfortunately that is not D1 basketball today!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/9/2025 2:33:38 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Dale Bandy, ha ha ha! How about Billy Hahn, ha ha ha. I will tell you what I miss. Recruits from New York City, like John Devereau, recruits from Philadelphia, like Vic Alexander, recruits from inner city Cincinnati like Brandon Hunter. These were all big guys that were considered under the radar. But somehow we were able to get them to come here and develop them. Just looking at the game yesterday how could we miss on the kid from Pickering north? He chose App State over Ohio? This is all about recruiting. The staff has done a poor job of recruiting. As we all have all been saying, we are not big enough or athletic enough. This team could do well well in a 6’4” league and under. Unfortunately that is not D1 basketball today!


Back in those days how many DI schools were there?
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 3:55:42 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Just looking at the game yesterday how could we miss on the kid from Pickering north? He chose App State over Ohio?


Dion Conners' first offer while playing at Pickerington North was from Ohio in the spring of 2019. For some reason, he ended up at 2 junior colleges - first at Mineral Area College and then Trinton College - before transferring to App St. this season.
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 4:16:00 PM 
Billy, not sure what your point is. My point is simply I don’t think we are recruiting inner city kids or we can’t get them to Athens now…maybe because Athens doesn’t have a good mall. Schools like Northern Kentucky, Longwood, App State and many others… None of them were division one, but they seem to be passing us up because they are getting better players than we are.

And B2, who recruited him in 2019? And did our staff identify him as somebody comeing out of junior college that could be helpful?

Last Edited: 2/9/2025 4:31:30 PM by Casper71
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 5:09:23 PM 
“But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns. Don’t bother, they’re here.”
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 7:08:09 PM 
giacomo wrote:
“But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns. Don’t bother, they’re here.”


Are you talking about a 6-10 clown who can shoot 3s, dunk like Trent, and is a great rim protector on defense? Yes, please send us that clown! ;-)

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   Posted: 2/9/2025 7:19:16 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
And B2, who recruited him in 2019? And did our staff identify him as somebody comeing out of junior college that could be helpful?


Sorry, don't know the answer to either question.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/9/2025 7:19:54 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Dale Bandy, ha ha ha! How about Billy Hahn, ha ha ha. I will tell you what I miss. Recruits from New York City, like John Devereau, recruits from Philadelphia, like Vic Alexander, recruits from inner city Cincinnati like Brandon Hunter. These were all big guys that were considered under the radar. But somehow we were able to get them to come here and develop them. Just looking at the game yesterday how could we miss on the kid from Pickering north? He chose App State over Ohio? This is all about recruiting. The staff has done a poor job of recruiting. As we all have all been saying, we are not big enough or athletic enough. This team could do well well in a 6’4” league and under. Unfortunately that is not D1 basketball today!


Not to sound as old as I am, but Jim Snyder was great at finding the diamonds in the rough -- in all kinds of places -- Corning, Portsmouth, Cincinnati, Xenia, Columbus, Cleveland, etc. And, he was good a coaching them up to their full potential. I'm not sure that Boals is as good as Snyder at getting the most out of the players he has recruited. I know that it's a different era, but even today some coaches are better at that than others.

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   Posted: 2/9/2025 8:30:45 PM 
giacomo wrote:
“But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns. Don’t bother, they’re here.”


We're not supposed to comment on politics here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Post App State Bitch Thread
   Posted: 2/10/2025 8:31:42 AM 
One of the worst performances in a half I have ever seen in a game. How many passes did we just throw out of bounds? Elmore did not have a good game and should of sat. I understand why Clayton was in but he should of sat too. Some of the shot selection in the second half was questionable too. App St. had adjusted but we didn't.

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   Posted: 2/10/2025 10:34:40 AM 
I think we may be underestimating how big of an injury losing Aidan Hadaway has become. The reason AJC is able to float along the 3pt arc and stretch defenses is because Hadaway was in the middle doing the dirty work - grabbing loose balls and getting tough rebounds. AJC also then became a garbage man in the paint of sorts when Hadaway was in the lineup, which made the team really dangerous. Now Ohio is relying on AJC to do that.

Since the Hadaway injury here are AJC's numbers:

PPG: 7.75
RPG: 5.0
FG%: 0.33%
3P%: 0.33% (He's taken only 8 more twos than threes since the injury).

Some of this can be blamed on his own injury, sure. So how hurt is he? How many minutes can he be 100%?
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   Posted: 2/10/2025 11:08:19 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
I think we may be underestimating how big of an injury losing Aidan Hadaway has become. The reason AJC is able to float along the 3pt arc and stretch defenses is because Hadaway was in the middle doing the dirty work - grabbing loose balls and getting tough rebounds. AJC also then became a garbage man in the paint of sorts when Hadaway was in the lineup, which made the team really dangerous. Now Ohio is relying on AJC to do that.

Since the Hadaway injury here are AJC's numbers:

PPG: 7.75
RPG: 5.0
FG%: 0.33%
3P%: 0.33% (He's taken only 8 more twos than threes since the injury).

Some of this can be blamed on his own injury, sure. So how hurt is he? How many minutes can he be 100%?


I agree. I know he didn't get off to a fast start, but Captain Chaos was coming on before the injury. His value to what he brings can't be understated.

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