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bobcatsquared
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Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 4:26:08 PM

Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

	Breath
	Sheldon
	Elliot
	Conners
	Simmons
	other

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Quoting SBH from the CMU game thread.

M.D.W.S.T
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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 4:53:50 PM

I think we should re-write the question.

Who is pulling the biggest Sheldon on this roster?

Probably Elliott. I think everyone had sky-high hopes for him in Year 2. FG% is down 13%. 3PT% is down 12%. FT% is FIFTY PERCENT. His minutes are UP. Scoring is DOWN. Tough scene.

Also Dior. I thought he could be our clutch shooter off the bench. His 3 pointer is down 10% from App State. He's playing half the minutes he was, so his scoring efficiency is slightly better - but 5.7 points for our 6th-7th man is tough. 14 mins a game. Just nowhere near where I thought we would be at this point.

I'm tempted to throw in Breath as well, because he's another one I thought could eventually be starting, or at least be first off the bench, but I think a lot of guys are having a tough time finding consistency. His minutes are down, but his scoring is pretty inline with last season. FG% is up over 54%. Rebounds are way down. He's not really playing "bad", he's just not doing enough.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 4:59:11 PM

I think the better question is "how bad would this team be if Jackson Paveletzke wasn't on it?"

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 5:34:05 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

I think the better question is "how bad would this team be if Jackson Paveletzke wasn't on it?"

Amen, Bro! He's the glue that keeps this team together. Look how much the offensive improved when he came into the game in the first half compared to how it looked without him.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 5:44:45 PM

Hadaway not even eligible?

He's taken more shots than anybody on the team, but he's not our best scorer or even close to it. Shooting 47% from the field, 27% from 3, but somehow 40% of his shots are threes and he's taken more of them than anybody but Sheldon.

Not really sure I see the case for Simmons but somehow Hadaway isn't even on the ballot?

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Posted: 12/30/2025 5:56:10 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I'm with you on this. After missing so much time last year I was really hoping he'd come in and be the all around player he's shown flashes off. Just hasn't happened for whatever reason.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 6:29:04 PM

Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1).

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 8:20:05 PM

Evans? So far big nothingburger.....

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/30/2025 8:56:59 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1).

He's scored 7 points more than Simmons, but taken 35 more shots than Simmons. And Hadaway basically never gets to the line, so coupled with the fact that he's a bad three point shooter it's basically impossible for him to be an efficient scorer.

Another quarter of Hadaway's possessions should be going to Pavs. Insane to have Hadaway and Pavs basically neck and neck in terms of usage rate.

Last Edited: 12/30/2025 8:57:30 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/31/2025 10:03:12 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1).

Product of the stand and watch offense. Pavs is the only person getting to the bucket and getting fouled. Nobody slashing. Nobody moving. Just catch and launch 3's. Hadaway is watching too much AJC tape, but he's still improved his scoring from last season. He was my dark horse for MAC POY, and we're certainly nowhere near that at the moment, but he's our second best player and without him or Jack this is a 2 win team.

This has long been my critique of Boals, whom I will defend all day, but this offense sucks. He doesn't adapt to the personnel. The purposeful 'let them create' only works when you have people creating. Like someone else said - we have a TON of shooters, and no makers. This clunky, watch the Jack show offense is atrocious. Part of the reason I keep beating the table for Kuany and Evans. I want Kuany running around, slashing, moving, causing movement, disrupting the defense. Evans needs to be camping out in the paint and let Hadaway do his thing and not have to be the #1 rebounder every night. If JJ keeps improving, I think we'll look a lot different, but right now Jack is 1A, 1B and 1C. There is no secondary leader.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/31/2025 11:42:58 AM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1).

I know Boals is your guy, but where do you see any improvement coming from if what you've listed off here is all a byproduct of his coaching and program building? He's not changing his ways at this point.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/31/2025 12:16:59 PM

E2 has been brutal, but for me it�s Conners.

Where we desperately need somebody to knock down the three, he can�t do it. And he�s not even close. Plus, his defense is lacking. Don�t even want to know what Boals is paying him.

I said it in a separate topic thread�give Fisher a shot at Conners minutes. It can�t be any worse. If Conners doesn�t play another minute this season, I�m good with it. He is a monumental disappointment.

Last Edited: 12/31/2025 12:17:36 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/31/2025 12:47:56 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

For what it's worth, I don't think Hadaway has actually improved his scoring. He's scoring more, but far less efficiently. He's basically just become a volume shooter, and I think he's pretty much the worst offender of the stand around and watch offense. He's taking far too many bad shots -- meaning shots he doesn't make. 40% of his shots are from three, and he's straight up bad from there. He doesn't get to the rim enough, and barely gets to the line. His free throw rate (i.e. the rate he gets to the line) is way down from last year, and it wasn't good last year.

That additional shooting volume isn't a good use of possessions.

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

This has long been my critique of Boals, whom I will defend all day, but this offense sucks. He doesn't adapt to the personnel. The purposeful 'let them create' only works when you have people creating. Like someone else said - we have a TON of shooters, and no makers. This clunky, watch the Jack show offense is atrocious. Part of the reason I keep beating the table for Kuany and Evans. I want Kuany running around, slashing, moving, causing movement, disrupting the defense. Evans needs to be camping out in the paint and let Hadaway do his thing and not have to be the #1 rebounder every night. If JJ keeps improving, I think we'll look a lot different, but right now Jack is 1A, 1B and 1C. There is no secondary leader.

We have two efficient offensive players: Pavs and Simmons. That's it. Boals sitting by and watching while Hadaway becomes a high volume 25% three point shooter is pretty bad coaching. Just don't get it.

And we'll have to agree to disagree on Evans. Don't see what he actually brings and why there aren't multiple options to do what you're suggesting better than Evans does it. Evans had the worst rebound rate last year for an Ohio big in 20+ years. Breath, Simmons, and Kuany are all better bets to deliver that than Evans.

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Posted: 12/31/2025 1:30:28 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

If Evans is on this team next year, then Boals just needs to turn in the keys to his office now.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 12/31/2025 7:20:46 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1).

He's scored 7 points more than Simmons, but taken 35 more shots than Simmons. And Hadaway basically never gets to the line

Hadaway could be a great player with proper direction, which is exactly what I said about AJ Clayton the last couple years. This is my biggest frustration with the coaching staff. You need to recalibrate guys using the type of data BLSS is laying out here.

Simmons has not been the beast I was expecting, he even struggled to get to the rim against Ohio Wesleyan. Conners hasn't been great but kinda hard to impress with the tiny spurts he is given. We need to lean into JP & Kelly and get Hadaway more in the paint.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 1/2/2026 9:35:48 AM

Hadaway is shooting nearly 62% on two point shots and 26% on threes. And he still averages 13 a game. So he doesn't need to be a three point threat to be an efficient scorer. Someone print these statistics on paper, roll the paper up, and smack him on the head with it. Stop shooting threes unless you're wide ass open.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 1/2/2026 9:37:41 AM

FJC31 wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1).

That's absolutely my biggest knock.

And I bet if you saw him out and asked him, to a man he'd give you an honest answer.

Likely a mix of overconfidence in his system, lack of confidence in his players to execute. So which one wins out? His system. Forcing round pegs into square holes, and not allowing some triangles to get enough game minutes to figure it out.

Unfortunately, in this new era you just don't know what you have until its here. And these days, dudes are showing up in summer forced into leadership roles because they're seniors, for a team to play games in a few weeks. In isolation, we constantly have one of the top recruiting classes in the MAC. As a team... they're not gelling. They dont play well together. They don't seem to trust each other on offense or defense. Everyone just wants to jack up their shots to get their own stats and hopefully that is enough to stay on the floor.

For Boals, I think some guys just get to a point where they have previous success in System ABC and they fixate on it, especially when you're struggling. 'We can do it again. We can be that again. We can have that success with that offense. I've seen it. ABC works.' Then you get a bunch of random pieces in and you try to force System ABC on them because you know it works - and don't have the confidence to install System XYZ, because if it (also) fails then you're like SEE, I shouldn't have spent all that time on the new system. Self-fulfilling fail prophecy.

Every year I have the same critique about the offense. It's just not a good MAC offense. It's not good for what we have. We have no identity. Are we fast-paced? No. Are we running up and down trying to beat teams with our athleticism? No. Are we trying to make plays and get to the line? No. Are we a 3-point shooting team? Unfortunately, yes. But we suck at it. Are we a rebounding, tough defense team? Lol no. What's our identity? What kind of team are we? It's a high school all-star team and they play like it. I bet they'd win a Gus Macker 3-on-3. Unfortunately, we have to play team basketball and it's not team basketball.

FearLeon wrote:

If Evans is on this team next year, then Boals just needs to turn in the keys to his office now.

Considering how badly we need him and how the pieces aren't coming together, I agree. If he can't do it now, he likely can't do it at all.

I think he's probably gone, but we have no true C for next season in the pipeline. Simmons is a Jr, so I guess again we will have to force an undersized 4 into a starting 5 role. Or we will have to rely on another unknown portal guy. Which might keep Evans spot on the bench fresh. At least have some height to fight with in practice.

Last Edited: 1/2/2026 9:43:15 AM by M.D.W.S.T

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Posted: 1/2/2026 10:14:54 AM

I was watching game a earlier this week where the announcer critiqued a big man for not making a basket near the rim while being fouled. I'm a believer in the importance of finishing strong and powering through contact. Some players strive in this situation. And they don't have to be powerful 6-10 post players. Think of Sears and Preston, who loved creating contact and finishing strong with the and-one. Others are not . . . when they need to be.

This is my biggest critique of Breath. While I don't expect him to score a basket every time he's fouled, it would be nice if he did every so often. I could be wrong, and I'm not going to go through the play-by-play of every game he's played this year, but I don't believe he's done this until the second half of Tuesday's game at CMU. This is especially disappointing when the best you can expect him to do at the line is make 1 of 2 foul shots. And while it's not an official turnover, I consider it a turnover when a player is fouled and misses both free throw attempts.

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RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?

Posted: 1/2/2026 11:39:36 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

This is my biggest critique of Breath. While I don't expect him to score a basket every time he's fouled, it would be nice if he did every so often. I could be wrong, and I'm not going to go through the play-by-play of every game he's played this year, but I don't believe he's done this until the second half of Tuesday's game at CMU. This is especially disappointing when the best you can expect him to do at the line is make 1 of 2 foul shots. And while it's not an official turnover, I consider it a turnover when a player is fouled and misses both free throw attempts.

Weird little stray thought I've been wondering about. . .

Last year's free throw percentages:

Simmons: 74.5%
Breath: 67.9%

This year:

Simmons: 69%
Breath: 42.9%

Add in Connors far worse shooting from 3, the fact that Pavs regressed a ton in his first year in the program, and it makes me wonder if we're doing something to people's shooting form that's backfiring.

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