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cbarber357
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  Message Not Read  EMU Player One Of Many Accused Of Throwing Games
   Posted: 1/15/2026 11:08:43 AM 
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college... /

Carlos Hart from EMU is one of the current players accused and it does call out that a game/games involving us were involved. He did go 0-5 from the field in our 68-67 win on January 3rd…
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  Message Not Read  RE: EMU Player One Of Many Accused Of Throwing Games
   Posted: 1/15/2026 11:17:23 AM 

That article lists Ohio as one of the schools.... ?!



Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 1/15/2026 11:24:49 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
That article lists Ohio as one of the schools.... ?!





I’m fairly sure it means that there were players on the other team shaving points against us.

I.E. Carlos Hart going 0-5 against us in a one point game against EMU.
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   Posted: 1/15/2026 11:37:37 AM 

I hope you are correct.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 1/15/2026 11:42:07 AM 
39 players on 17 teams. Then 16 schools listed as impacted.

If we were just an opponent, it's hard to see how only 16 schools would be impacted. 17 teams would necessarily include a lot more opponents than the number of impacted schools listed.

Buckle up.

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   Posted: 1/15/2026 11:43:32 AM 

I see ESPN has a list of schools named in the indictment and Ohio is not on there so ... nevermind ....

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 1/15/2026 11:47:28 AM 
ESPN wrote:
Four of the players charged -- Simeon Cottle, Carlos Hart, Camian Shell and Oumar Koureissi -- have played for their current teams in the past week. The allegations against Hart, Shell and Koureissi stem from their previous schools, while Cottle's alleged incident occurred in the 2023-24 season.


Sounds like Hart's 0-5 performance against us was him just not having a good game, unless he is continuing his betting ways at EMU. ESPN reports this was from his prior team.

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   Posted: 1/15/2026 3:33:23 PM 
If you follow the link through to the CBS News article, there's a statement from Ohio saying no students/coaches were involved. So that's a relief.
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  Message Not Read  RE: EMU Player One Of Many Accused Of Throwing Games
   Posted: 1/15/2026 7:03:57 PM 
The way they’re shooing this season I wish we could blame it on gambling.
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   Posted: 1/15/2026 7:11:38 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
The way they’re shooing this season I wish we could blame it on gambling.


One day a kid is going to suck so bad that they start investigating him for it. Wouldn’t be surprised if it has already happened quietly. Lol

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   Posted: 1/16/2026 9:23:54 AM 
cbarber357 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
The way they’re shooing this season I wish we could blame it on gambling.


One day a kid is going to suck so bad that they start investigating him for it. Wouldn’t be surprised if it has already happened quietly. Lol


I hope Sheldon is pulling in an absolute BAG for shooting 36% from the field.
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   Posted: 1/16/2026 10:43:38 AM 
Betting $424,000 for Kent State to cover a first half spread over Buffalo is INSANE gambling work. Call the helpline my guy.
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   Posted: 1/16/2026 10:53:41 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Betting $424,000 for Kent State to cover a first half spread over Buffalo is INSANE gambling work. Call the helpline my guy.


I am sure that is what caused the scrutiny, and how these crooks don't understand the kind of red flags and attention a bet like that is going to bring is mind boggling.

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.

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   Posted: 1/16/2026 11:00:29 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.


I agree. For a long time, I was of the mind that legalizing gambling would bring things out of the shadows and create better enforcement mechanism to catch things like this.

But I think the sheer accessibility of sports betting seems to have increased the amount of fraud around it. And that's before you even consider how sports betting has impacted bankruptcy rates.

I'm not sure if I favor a full repeal of legalized sports betting -- I think it's hard to put that cat back in the bag -- but I certainly think there needs to be far more regulation and a vast reduction in the amount of prop bets available (betting on a single pitch in a baseball game is straight up addictive behavior and basically turns your phone into a slot machine). I'm also of the mind that The prediction markets -- like Kalshi -- which basically create a world where you can bet on anything are unregulatable and invite manipulation.

Last Edited: 1/16/2026 11:00:46 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: EMU Player One Of Many Accused Of Throwing Games
   Posted: 1/16/2026 11:46:22 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.


I agree. For a long time, I was of the mind that legalizing gambling would bring things out of the shadows and create better enforcement mechanism to catch things like this.

But I think the sheer accessibility of sports betting seems to have increased the amount of fraud around it. And that's before you even consider how sports betting has impacted bankruptcy rates.

I'm not sure if I favor a full repeal of legalized sports betting -- I think it's hard to put that cat back in the bag -- but I certainly think there needs to be far more regulation and a vast reduction in the amount of prop bets available (betting on a single pitch in a baseball game is straight up addictive behavior and basically turns your phone into a slot machine). I'm also of the mind that The prediction markets -- like Kalshi -- which basically create a world where you can bet on anything are unregulatable and invite manipulation.


Well, IMHO, the whole rigmarole started when Ohio approved the state lottery. It was on the ballot in the early 1970s. I could not decide whether it would just make the then current level of gambling legal and help the state a little with revenue or whether it would create a whole new set of gamblers. If the former I would be for it; if the latter I would be against it. I was so torn about the issue that I left that choice blank on the ballot. I had no idea that the state would advertise like they do now to entice folks to gamble in the lottery. I should have anticipate that, but I didn't. Knowing what I know now I would have voted against it. In retrospect, I believe the approval of the state lottery put a kind of government stamp of approval on betting in general. That's when I believe the slippery slope that Andrew referred to began.

Let me add one further point. I have a cousin who is a gambling addict. At one time he was also an unreformed alcoholic, but he's now been sober for over ten years. He has not, however, been able to cure his gambling addiction. The next bet is always going to be the "big winner." He bets on everything from horse racing to poker to sports contests. It's a very ugly disease.

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   Posted: 1/16/2026 11:51:59 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.


I agree. For a long time, I was of the mind that legalizing gambling would bring things out of the shadows and create better enforcement mechanism to catch things like this.

But I think the sheer accessibility of sports betting seems to have increased the amount of fraud around it. And that's before you even consider how sports betting has impacted bankruptcy rates.

I'm not sure if I favor a full repeal of legalized sports betting -- I think it's hard to put that cat back in the bag -- but I certainly think there needs to be far more regulation and a vast reduction in the amount of prop bets available (betting on a single pitch in a baseball game is straight up addictive behavior and basically turns your phone into a slot machine). I'm also of the mind that The prediction markets -- like Kalshi -- which basically create a world where you can bet on anything are unregulatable and invite manipulation.


I'm not sure how much it would help, but here in Washington gambling is legal and sports betting is legal, but you have to do it within the confines of a casino due to agreements with the native tribes. So in essence, the temptation to pull out your phone and do 5 game parlay isn't as bad because you have to drive to the place to do it. Speaking for myself, there have been times I've wanted to bet and couldn't because the closest casino to me is 40 minutes away. I'm sure the degenerate gamblers would still go, but maybe not your regular average Joe who gambles casually.

Now, would that help this situation here? Also no.
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   Posted: 1/16/2026 11:57:01 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.


I agree. For a long time, I was of the mind that legalizing gambling would bring things out of the shadows and create better enforcement mechanism to catch things like this.

But I think the sheer accessibility of sports betting seems to have increased the amount of fraud around it. And that's before you even consider how sports betting has impacted bankruptcy rates.

I'm not sure if I favor a full repeal of legalized sports betting -- I think it's hard to put that cat back in the bag -- but I certainly think there needs to be far more regulation and a vast reduction in the amount of prop bets available (betting on a single pitch in a baseball game is straight up addictive behavior and basically turns your phone into a slot machine). I'm also of the mind that The prediction markets -- like Kalshi -- which basically create a world where you can bet on anything are unregulatable and invite manipulation.


I'm not sure how much it would help, but here in Washington gambling is legal and sports betting is legal, but you have to do it within the confines of a casino due to agreements with the native tribes. So in essence, the temptation to pull out your phone and do 5 game parlay isn't as bad because you have to drive to the place to do it. Speaking for myself, there have been times I've wanted to bet and couldn't because the closest casino to me is 40 minutes away. I'm sure the degenerate gamblers would still go, but maybe not your regular average Joe who gambles casually.

Now, would that help this situation here? Also no.


I'm just curious how that requirement is enforced.

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   Posted: 1/16/2026 12:15:00 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.


I agree. For a long time, I was of the mind that legalizing gambling would bring things out of the shadows and create better enforcement mechanism to catch things like this.

But I think the sheer accessibility of sports betting seems to have increased the amount of fraud around it. And that's before you even consider how sports betting has impacted bankruptcy rates.

I'm not sure if I favor a full repeal of legalized sports betting -- I think it's hard to put that cat back in the bag -- but I certainly think there needs to be far more regulation and a vast reduction in the amount of prop bets available (betting on a single pitch in a baseball game is straight up addictive behavior and basically turns your phone into a slot machine). I'm also of the mind that The prediction markets -- like Kalshi -- which basically create a world where you can bet on anything are unregulatable and invite manipulation.


I'm not sure how much it would help, but here in Washington gambling is legal and sports betting is legal, but you have to do it within the confines of a casino due to agreements with the native tribes. So in essence, the temptation to pull out your phone and do 5 game parlay isn't as bad because you have to drive to the place to do it. Speaking for myself, there have been times I've wanted to bet and couldn't because the closest casino to me is 40 minutes away. I'm sure the degenerate gamblers would still go, but maybe not your regular average Joe who gambles casually.

Now, would that help this situation here? Also no.


I'm just curious how that requirement is enforced.


Betting apps on your phone are only eligible within casinos. The apps have a security restriction that monitors your location.

https://www.legalsportsreport.com/sports-betting-states/w... /

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   Posted: 1/16/2026 12:51:35 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.


I agree. For a long time, I was of the mind that legalizing gambling would bring things out of the shadows and create better enforcement mechanism to catch things like this.

But I think the sheer accessibility of sports betting seems to have increased the amount of fraud around it. And that's before you even consider how sports betting has impacted bankruptcy rates.

I'm not sure if I favor a full repeal of legalized sports betting -- I think it's hard to put that cat back in the bag -- but I certainly think there needs to be far more regulation and a vast reduction in the amount of prop bets available (betting on a single pitch in a baseball game is straight up addictive behavior and basically turns your phone into a slot machine). I'm also of the mind that The prediction markets -- like Kalshi -- which basically create a world where you can bet on anything are unregulatable and invite manipulation.


I'm not sure how much it would help, but here in Washington gambling is legal and sports betting is legal, but you have to do it within the confines of a casino due to agreements with the native tribes. So in essence, the temptation to pull out your phone and do 5 game parlay isn't as bad because you have to drive to the place to do it. Speaking for myself, there have been times I've wanted to bet and couldn't because the closest casino to me is 40 minutes away. I'm sure the degenerate gamblers would still go, but maybe not your regular average Joe who gambles casually.

Now, would that help this situation here? Also no.


I'm just curious how that requirement is enforced.


Betting apps on your phone are only eligible within casinos. The apps have a security restriction that monitors your location.

https://www.legalsportsreport.com/sports-betting-states/w... /


I am somebody who engages in some sports gambling on my phone, but I keep very low weekly deposit limits on myself. I’ve also seen how a gambling addiction can ruin somebodies life. Would totally be in favor of limiting sports betting to casinos and/or designated places (think keno at a bar) or limiting the amount of money that you can gamble from your phone. I personally always limit myself to $10-25 a week.
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   Posted: 1/16/2026 1:48:29 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Betting $424,000 for Kent State to cover a first half spread over Buffalo is INSANE gambling work. Call the helpline my guy.


LOL That’s MACtion baby!
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Andrew Ruck wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Betting $424,000 for Kent State to cover a first half spread over Buffalo is INSANE gambling work. Call the helpline my guy.


I am sure that is what caused the scrutiny, and how these crooks don't understand the kind of red flags and attention a bet like that is going to bring is mind boggling.

The slippery slope strikes again. Legalizing gambling seemed harmless enough but these random prop bets are out of control and a big problem for collegiate sports and conferences like the MAC in particular where a player can make some life changing money pretty easily. Although as we've seen with some of the NBA & MLB cases, even having a lofty salary isn't enough to stop some.


They’ve been doing this for decades, now that it is legalized, they haven’t caught up with the Feds algorithms
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   Posted: 1/17/2026 1:39:53 PM 
No Carlos Hart in the first half today as EMU plays at BG.
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