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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/22/2022 12:57:28 PM 
I've never seen this discussed ever so I figured I'd bring it up here. Have they ever seriously considered raising the height of the rim? If I am not mistaken, it has stayed at exactly 10 feet for over 100 years now. The average height of men has increased about 3-4 inches in that time. Perhaps moreso, the athleticism and vertical ability has increased a ton too. Lastly, the international growth of the sport has brought more big guys to the game than before.

Has it ever been discussed to raise it to 10.5 feet? Maybe even 11? Should it be considered? Should they consider raising it gradually for different ages. It is kind of crazy 3rd graders and the NBA are using the same rim, isn't it?


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/22/2022 3:17:51 PM 
A number of years ago, Sports Illustrated did some experiments with an 11 foot basket. I don't remember many details, except that they found that the ball tended bounce off the rim at an angle that made it easier for smaller players in the back court to get more rebounds. Perhaps someone with enhanced internet search skills can find the article they did about this experiment. I remember that when I read the article I thought that it would be a good idea to implement the higher basket for college basketball, but it, of course, never happened.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/22/2022 3:53:23 PM 
Meh, I'm all for making changes to court dimensions when they make sense, count me out on a higher rim though.

If every other possession was a dunk I'd maybe reconsider.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/22/2022 9:05:50 PM 
I found this article from SI that discusses an Orange and White game at Tenn that experimented with taller baskets. https://vault.si.com/vault/1967/12/04/the-case-for-the-12...


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/23/2022 10:20:02 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
I found this article from SI that discusses an Orange and White game at Tenn that experimented with taller baskets. https://vault.si.com/vault/1967/12/04/the-case-for-the-12...


Thanks. This was the article that I remembered. However, it was a 12-foot rim they experimented with rather than an 11-foot basket. Got to love any article that references Ray Mears, who won a national championship at Wittenberg. He was a really interesting person and had some showmanship and slap-stick humor somewhat like our dearly departed Saul Phillips.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/23/2022 11:51:23 AM 
The NCAA experimented with a height change during the week of the 1973 Final Four. I was at St. Louis University then, and they were the host school for the tournament.

In the week leading up to the final 4, the NCAA had controlled scrimmages on campus where the Billikens had played years ago and was now used for pick up games. It was a barn. That week they raised the baskets from 10í to 10í6Ē or to 11í,I canít recall. The gym was still open to others so I still got to play. What I recall is that the height didnít appear that different but by the end of the day it felt like I was 0 for the barn.

side note: that final was the Bill Walton show against Memphis State: 21 for 22 from the field, 2 for 2 from the line.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/25/2022 8:30:14 AM 
stub wrote:
The NCAA experimented with a height change during the week of the 1973 Final Four. I was at St. Louis University then, and they were the host school for the tournament.


Interesting that they were looking into it 50 years ago, when it wasn't really warranted anywhere close to what it would be today.

I'm not sure I'd go more than 10.5...you still want to see some dunks. Going to 11 or beyond would take a ton of guys off the rim completely.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/25/2022 9:05:41 AM 
The rim height is perfectly fine for high levels of basketball. Scoring is at a level I like. "Good" shooting percentage is at a level I like.

I referee the main youth league in Cincinnati and they have third graders shooting at ten feet. That should change. I don't think the kids gain anything by playing for an hour only for free throws to be air balled and some final scores coming out to 9-6. Put third graders at nine feet, fourth grade at 9.5, and everyone older at 10.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/25/2022 9:17:21 AM 
shabamon wrote:
The rim height is perfectly fine for high levels of basketball. Scoring is at a level I like. "Good" shooting percentage is at a level I like.

I referee the main youth league in Cincinnati and they have third graders shooting at ten feet. That should change. I don't think the kids gain anything by playing for an hour only for free throws to be air balled and some final scores coming out to 9-6. Put third graders at nine feet, fourth grade at 9.5, and everyone older at 10.


Definitely agree with this. I'm a baseball guy and the thought of having 3rd graders play 90 feet base paths and pitch from 60.5 feet is insane.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/25/2022 10:52:20 AM 
shabamon wrote:
The rim height is perfectly fine for high levels of basketball. Scoring is at a level I like. "Good" shooting percentage is at a level I like.

I referee the main youth league in Cincinnati and they have third graders shooting at ten feet. That should change. I don't think the kids gain anything by playing for an hour only for free throws to be air balled and some final scores coming out to 9-6. Put third graders at nine feet, fourth grade at 9.5, and everyone older at 10.


Allows you to teach better shooting form as well. otherwise the kids have to throw the ball at the hoop. Plus many grow up with adjustable baskets in their driveways and can play on lower rims at home.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/25/2022 11:20:53 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
I found this article from SI that discusses an Orange and White game at Tenn that experimented with taller baskets. https://vault.si.com/vault/1967/12/04/the-case-for-the-12...


Tennessee also played a football game at a nascar track.

Count me as against any of their experimenting.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/25/2022 11:40:54 AM 
And according to Tucker Carlson, declining testosterone levels would mean men would have more difficulty getting the ball up to a higher hoop.


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   Posted: 4/25/2022 12:10:10 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
And according to Tucker Carlson, declining testosterone levels would mean men would have more difficulty getting the ball up to a higher hoop.


That is why you tan your testicles with red lights
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 4/30/2022 12:59:52 PM 
greencat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I found this article from SI that discusses an Orange and White game at Tenn that experimented with taller baskets. https://vault.si.com/vault/1967/12/04/the-case-for-the-12...


Tennessee also played a football game at a nascar track.

Count me as against any of their experimenting.



But they also played at a NASCAR track that isn't much bigger than most SEC or Big Ten football stadiums. They played Virginia Tech at Bristol -- it's not like they were at Daytona or Talladega.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Hoop Height
   Posted: 5/4/2022 4:35:05 PM 
greencat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
I found this article from SI that discusses an Orange and White game at Tenn that experimented with taller baskets. https://vault.si.com/vault/1967/12/04/the-case-for-the-12...


Tennessee also played a football game at a nascar track.

Count me as against any of their experimenting.



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