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JAF
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  Message Not Read  Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 11:07:58 AM 
Not sure if this is just me or if others are feeling really disconnected from this version of Ohio BBall. Between the transfers in and out, the lack of continuity, I am not as invested in the players, the stories, the progression etc? I fear that this is the new normal. Does anyone else feel this way or am I getting to the 'get off my lawn' period of my life? Help me out here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 11:26:06 AM 
I find myself forgetting that Devon Baker is even on the team sometimes. That's a combination of him only having one year left as well as his just-average production. In my mind, Miles, AJ, and Elmore are the shooting guards on this team.

I find it hard getting invested in freshmen, too. For several years, I've hoped we'd see a year where our starting lineup is all seniors who began their eligibility at Ohio. That could have happened with the class that came in 09 (Cooper, Kinney, Horne, Baltic, Keely) or 2015 (Dartis, Gollon, Block, Dozier, Taylor). With Ezuma redshirting, there's a possibility of a Sheldon, Brown, James, Hadaway, and Ezuma senior class in three years. I'm probably dreaming though - attrition and injuries are inevitable.

When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 11:50:50 AM 
I am actually feeling the same. It is a very disheartening situation. The events over the last 3-5 years have created what most of us expected - tough times for the MAC and our beloved OHIO.

I would complain about it but it wouldn't matter and I wouldn't know where to start.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 11:54:22 AM 
JAF wrote:
Not sure if this is just me or if others are feeling really disconnected from this version of Ohio BBall. Between the transfers in and out, the lack of continuity, I am not as invested in the players, the stories, the progression etc? I fear that this is the new normal. Does anyone else feel this way or am I getting to the 'get off my lawn' period of my life? Help me out here.


Yes, I feel your pain. I find it's more of an effort to keep track of the players, and I keep wondering in the back of my mind who will be back next year -- who is going to be loyal to OHIO and who is going to bolt because they are not getting enough PT, or because they think their route to the NBA is through a P6 school. That's one reason I'm finding myself more interested in the women's team, even though they are having a horrendous season. There seems to be a lot less portal turmoil on the distaff side.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 12:07:14 PM 
Iím not sure why anyone would call whatís happening now as ďunexpectedĒ. Itís free agency without any restrictions it seems. Loyalty and stability is essentially out the window. Iím glad all the folks who were all in on this are loving everything about it now. Itís out of control, but I guess itís helping the players(except for the 30-40 percent who end up with no scholarships).
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 12:33:42 PM 
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 12:52:25 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 1:04:10 PM 
I find myself needing a scorecard where in the past I didn't. For example, is Baker #12 or is Hunter. Which of the two transfer guards is from Old Dominion and which is from Tulane?

I've always been derided by others for looking too far in the future. For example, if my team had a strong group of underclassmen in 2002, I would expect a better season in 2003 and an even better one in 2004. This heralded freshman class Boals brought in would typically have me excited for the next few years. Of course, I have to temper this moving forward. You don't know what the roster will look like one year from now, let alone 2 or 3 years.

This, in my opinion, is not a good thing for college sports. Loyalty is not a bad thing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 1:12:26 PM 
I would take it to the bank across the college basketball landscape that individual school career records are largely going to go untouched going forward.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 1:41:52 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.


Not sure just Sears. One other example in the old world of transfers...there is a chance Sam Towns would still be here and Wiz would not (although based on Sam giving his former teammates and coaches the bird maybe not). Perhaps Granger stays, perhaps Hunter stays for his final year at ODU, etc.

But yeah we were going to have a huge turnover on the roster regardless this year, not entirely a product of the new era.

To answer your question, I hate it. I would still prefer to favor Freshmen in recruiting and minimize use of the portal and this discussion with various fans saying it makes them lose interest only solidifies that. If we can have more roster stability than others maybe we can keep our fan base more engaged than others.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 2:04:17 PM 
I sent a text to my buddies this weekend about this very thing. It's going to be extremely rare in the near future to see a 4-5 year player remain at one school. Feels especially more true in football for a starting QB. You can almost book the timeline going something like this:

Freshman year: probably ride the bench unless you're a blue chip/high talent guy from day 1
Sophomore year: limited PT
Junior year: transfer out for more PT
Senior year: transfer out for better team/coach/draft opportunities

And all of this combined with the fact that any time there is a coaching change, you're almost guaranteed to lose your entire roster.

I'm also wondering if redshirting will eventually be a forgotten thing. If you redshirt a guy who's to say you're not in danger of losing him because of that?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 2:28:13 PM 
I 100% agree with this. One of the fun things about being a hoops fan is seeing a recruit come in that might flash some talent as a freshman and then see them develop over their time with us to be strong players and leaders. I think of Cooper and Nick Kellogg as examples but there are many that fit that mold over their four year careers.

I am having a hard time connecting or being excited about this team. And the large freshmen class (instead of bringing me excitement for their growth) has me thinking about who will actually stick around beyond this season. I used to feel like I couldnt miss a game when the Bobcats were on, but now, its more of a "meh" feeling.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 2:38:25 PM 
Loyalty to the name on the front of the jersey, not back. Just like how it is being a Cleveland Guardians fan. Root for the team as a whole. But yes, it makes it harder to get invested in individual players and getting to know them. Enjoy the ride with guys like BVP and understand those circumstances may not come around as frequently.

I'll be coming to a game in early February and I will have to do my homework on the roster.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 3:19:18 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.


Not sure just Sears. One other example in the old world of transfers...there is a chance Sam Towns would still be here and Wiz would not (although based on Sam giving his former teammates and coaches the bird maybe not). Perhaps Granger stays, perhaps Hunter stays for his final year at ODU, etc.

But yeah we were going to have a huge turnover on the roster regardless this year, not entirely a product of the new era.

To answer your question, I hate it. I would still prefer to favor Freshmen in recruiting and minimize use of the portal and this discussion with various fans saying it makes them lose interest only solidifies that. If we can have more roster stability than others maybe we can keep our fan base more engaged than others.


Iím not sure what happened between Towns and staff. So I wonít disagree on the potential domino effect of him staying. Which again, it brings me back to the point of if Baker, Wiz, and Hunter are consistently positive contributors are we bothered by the new era? Itís early, but they feel like misses right now so I can appreciate not liking the portal.

However, I still like it. If 2-3 guys are added from it each year, I donít see it being an issue. It has to be the right guys. I look back to guys like Offutt, Jon Smith, Kaminski, and DW3 being the right pieces at the right time.

Thatís on the coaching staff to identify the correct fits while maintaining as much of the current roster as it can. Unfortunately in our case, it looks like we didnít do that this time around. The caveat is thereís an opportunity for a ďdo-overĒ as soon as the season ends. Would it be ideal to move on from Hunter and/or Wiz after one season? No, but it isnít unheard of this day and age and allows for the staff an opportunity to right the ship for 23-24.

To minimize the blow moving forward, I agree prioritizing guys seen as the next core is pivotal. Again, thatís on Boals and staff. Perhaps thatís why minutes are so wonky this year, heís trying to win now and maintain a future roster. Maybe he didnít expect so many guys to leave? Weíll never know. Just have to adapt and hit on transfers.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 3:24:36 PM 
I feel bad for a school like St. Peters. Going into last year's MAAC Tournament, they were 16-11. Pretty good, but nothing that would unify and excite their student body and alumni. They go on their run, the coach leaves for Seton Hall, and then just about everyone else bolts for the transfer portal. That school barely had any time to revel in what it had accomplished. Any excitement for the 2023 Peacocks is waning as their turned-over roster is now 7-9.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 3:56:44 PM 
shabamon wrote:
I feel bad for a school like St. Peters. Going into last year's MAAC Tournament, they were 16-11. Pretty good, but nothing that would unify and excite their student body and alumni. They go on their run, the coach leaves for Seton Hall, and then just about everyone else bolts for the transfer portal. That school barely had any time to revel in what it had accomplished. Any excitement for the 2023 Peacocks is waning as their turned-over roster is now 7-9.


That's what will happen to any mid-major that makes the Sweet 16 for the rest of eternity. Leagues like the MAC and MAAC are the farm system of the Power conferences for both coaches and players.

Ohio's feeling the same pain this season without the joy of a run last season. The whole enterprise gets less appealing every year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 5:40:32 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.


Not sure just Sears. One other example in the old world of transfers...there is a chance Sam Towns would still be here and Wiz would not (although based on Sam giving his former teammates and coaches the bird maybe not). Perhaps Granger stays, perhaps Hunter stays for his final year at ODU, etc.

But yeah we were going to have a huge turnover on the roster regardless this year, not entirely a product of the new era.

To answer your question, I hate it. I would still prefer to favor Freshmen in recruiting and minimize use of the portal and this discussion with various fans saying it makes them lose interest only solidifies that. If we can have more roster stability than others maybe we can keep our fan base more engaged than others.


I look back to guys like Offutt, Jon Smith, Kaminski, and DW3 being the right pieces at the right time.




Big difference. If I'm not mistaken, those guys had to sit a year before playing. That's a way different level of commitment.

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   Posted: 1/9/2023 6:34:10 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.


Not sure just Sears. One other example in the old world of transfers...there is a chance Sam Towns would still be here and Wiz would not (although based on Sam giving his former teammates and coaches the bird maybe not). Perhaps Granger stays, perhaps Hunter stays for his final year at ODU, etc.

But yeah we were going to have a huge turnover on the roster regardless this year, not entirely a product of the new era.

To answer your question, I hate it. I would still prefer to favor Freshmen in recruiting and minimize use of the portal and this discussion with various fans saying it makes them lose interest only solidifies that. If we can have more roster stability than others maybe we can keep our fan base more engaged than others.


I look back to guys like Offutt, Jon Smith, Kaminski, and DW3 being the right pieces at the right time.




Big difference. If I'm not mistaken, those guys had to sit a year before playing. That's a way different level of commitment.



I should have included Simmons on that list. However, Iím not seeing the correlation between having to sit a year then and being able to identify the right pieces/players in the portal as a staff. Most would argue Bean wasnít a fit. Kadeem Green? Hardly contributed for a season. Both sat for a year.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 6:54:51 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
shabamon wrote:
I feel bad for a school like St. Peters. Going into last year's MAAC Tournament, they were 16-11. Pretty good, but nothing that would unify and excite their student body and alumni. They go on their run, the coach leaves for Seton Hall, and then just about everyone else bolts for the transfer portal. That school barely had any time to revel in what it had accomplished. Any excitement for the 2023 Peacocks is waning as their turned-over roster is now 7-9.


That'o mids what will happen to any mid-major that makes the Sweet 16 for the rest of eternity. Leagues like the MAC and MAAC are the farm system of the Power conferences for both coaches and players.

Ohio's feeling the same pain this season without the joy of a run last season. The whole enterprise gets less appealing every year.


Two mid majors made the Sweet 16 last year. Did it happen to them?
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 7:39:44 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Two mid majors made the Sweet 16 last year. Did it happen to them?


I know itís a loose term but I donít see any mid-majors other than St. Peterís last year in the Sweet 16. Providence? Houston? The #1 seed Gonzaga?
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 7:56:23 PM 
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Two mid majors made the Sweet 16 last year. Did it happen to them?


I know itís a loose term but I donít see any mid-majors other than St. Peterís last year in the Sweet 16. Providence? Houston? The #1 seed Gonzaga?


Oh sorry, you're right. My bad. I looked at '21 with Oral Roberts and Loyola Chicago.
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   Posted: 1/9/2023 9:01:33 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Two mid majors made the Sweet 16 last year. Did it happen to them?


I know itís a loose term but I donít see any mid-majors other than St. Peterís last year in the Sweet 16. Providence? Houston? The #1 seed Gonzaga?


Oh sorry, you're right. My bad. I looked at '21 with Oral Roberts and Loyola Chicago.


I just passed OCF at a framing store here in Athens. He had this last post matted and framed.

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   Posted: 1/9/2023 11:42:54 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.


Not sure just Sears. One other example in the old world of transfers...there is a chance Sam Towns would still be here and Wiz would not (although based on Sam giving his former teammates and coaches the bird maybe not). Perhaps Granger stays, perhaps Hunter stays for his final year at ODU, etc.

But yeah we were going to have a huge turnover on the roster regardless this year, not entirely a product of the new era.

To answer your question, I hate it. I would still prefer to favor Freshmen in recruiting and minimize use of the portal and this discussion with various fans saying it makes them lose interest only solidifies that. If we can have more roster stability than others maybe we can keep our fan base more engaged than others.


I respect your preferences on this...but I don't see this working ever again. The portal is the key to winning. D1 is now JUCO on steroids and I suspect it's a permanent condition.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/9/2023 11:46:07 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.


Not sure just Sears. One other example in the old world of transfers...there is a chance Sam Towns would still be here and Wiz would not (although based on Sam giving his former teammates and coaches the bird maybe not). Perhaps Granger stays, perhaps Hunter stays for his final year at ODU, etc.

But yeah we were going to have a huge turnover on the roster regardless this year, not entirely a product of the new era.

To answer your question, I hate it. I would still prefer to favor Freshmen in recruiting and minimize use of the portal and this discussion with various fans saying it makes them lose interest only solidifies that. If we can have more roster stability than others maybe we can keep our fan base more engaged than others.


Iím not sure what happened between Towns and staff. So I wonít disagree on the potential domino effect of him staying. Which again, it brings me back to the point of if Baker, Wiz, and Hunter are consistently positive contributors are we bothered by the new era? Itís early, but they feel like misses right now so I can appreciate not liking the portal.

However, I still like it. If 2-3 guys are added from it each year, I donít see it being an issue. It has to be the right guys. I look back to guys like Offutt, Jon Smith, Kaminski, and DW3 being the right pieces at the right time.

Thatís on the coaching staff to identify the correct fits while maintaining as much of the current roster as it can. Unfortunately in our case, it looks like we didnít do that this time around. The caveat is thereís an opportunity for a ďdo-overĒ as soon as the season ends. Would it be ideal to move on from Hunter and/or Wiz after one season? No, but it isnít unheard of this day and age and allows for the staff an opportunity to right the ship for 23-24.

To minimize the blow moving forward, I agree prioritizing guys seen as the next core is pivotal. Again, thatís on Boals and staff. Perhaps thatís why minutes are so wonky this year, heís trying to win now and maintain a future roster. Maybe he didnít expect so many guys to leave? Weíll never know. Just have to adapt and hit on transfers.


Agree

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   Posted: 1/10/2023 8:29:59 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I get that there are a lot of new faces. And understand the sentiment. Though, I suspect if we were good people would be embracing the new guys.

Also, if you look at who we lost last season it only really seems tangentially related to the "new transfer era."

Ben Vander Plas gave us 4 seasons and if it weren't for the abnormality of Covid wouldn't have had remaining eligibility. Lunden McDay, whose departure was unrelated to the transfer portal. Jason Carter after his 18th year in college basketball and a single year transfer in Schmock -- both transfers themselves. And Towns and Granger who didn't crack the rotation in a meaningful way.

Only Sears' transfer is representative of the new era of college basketball, unless I'm missing something.



Yea, Sears is really the only one. I suspect if we were winning more and our portal adds were playing better consistently, feelings would be different about the new era.


Not sure just Sears. One other example in the old world of transfers...there is a chance Sam Towns would still be here and Wiz would not (although based on Sam giving his former teammates and coaches the bird maybe not). Perhaps Granger stays, perhaps Hunter stays for his final year at ODU, etc.

But yeah we were going to have a huge turnover on the roster regardless this year, not entirely a product of the new era.

To answer your question, I hate it. I would still prefer to favor Freshmen in recruiting and minimize use of the portal and this discussion with various fans saying it makes them lose interest only solidifies that. If we can have more roster stability than others maybe we can keep our fan base more engaged than others.


I look back to guys like Offutt, Jon Smith, Kaminski, and DW3 being the right pieces at the right time.




Big difference. If I'm not mistaken, those guys had to sit a year before playing. That's a way different level of commitment.



DW3 did not sit. The others did sit.
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