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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/15/2023 9:02:16 AM 
Campus Flow wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
If someone posted this already, apologize for the redundancy. Sounds like itís not going to be easy for second time transfers beginning this year.

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/news/ncaa-division-i-... /


If its only possible to transfer once it impacts the calculus for any player considering the graduate transfer route at some point in their career. Having the right to transfer in your back pocket at any given year has value if the staff is fired too.


Graduate transfers is a totally different thing. And will not be effected by this.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/15/2023 3:12:15 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
and think that attempts to force an education on student athletes are overbearing.


Always thought "education" and "student" went hand in hand. If an aspiring professional athlete is not interested in an education (or perhaps not equipped for one) then maybe there should be alternatives to going to college. MiLB and G League come to mind. If you look up the mission statement of any university, I believe you will find something about providing an education as part of it. Perhaps I'm naive to believe that is still part of what colleges should strive to provide for all students, athlete or not.


If you think that schools should restrict transfers because it's challenging to get credits to transfer, and you think that because "education" and "student" go hand in hand, then why are the restrictions you're supporting only in place for the subset of students that play college sports? Since education is so important to you and transferring complicates that, seems like we should be favoring restrictions on transfers for why scholarship student and give schools and some governing body the power to stop transfers more broadly, no?

What makes athletes special here?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/17/2023 2:09:28 PM 
shabamon wrote:
When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?


In my opinion, until the NCAA gets the NIL / transfer portal under control, I can't see many high quality 4-year players and any MAC schools. Maybe I should say "if" instead of "until".

Re: the original post, I've found myself with slightly less interest in college sports in general as a result of the portal and NIL. It's just staggering how much greed on the part of the old guys and gals running the NCAA has affected things. Imagine if they'd done the right thing 15 years ago without legal proceedings requiring them to change.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/18/2023 3:19:25 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
shabamon wrote:
When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?


In my opinion, until the NCAA gets the NIL / transfer portal under control, I can't see many high quality 4-year players and any MAC schools. Maybe I should say "if" instead of "until".

Re: the original post, I've found myself with slightly less interest in college sports in general as a result of the portal and NIL. It's just staggering how much greed on the part of the old guys and gals running the NCAA has affected things. Imagine if they'd done the right thing 15 years ago without legal proceedings requiring them to change.


What can the NCAA do about the NIL? NIL is law in 32 states, with many more having pending legislation. NCAA cannot supersede state law! And the NCAA is NOT going to ban NIL in 18 states. As for the portal, after the Deppe v National Collegiate Athletic Association case, the NCAA decided they are one ruling away from losing total control.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/18/2023 4:08:53 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
shabamon wrote:
When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?


In my opinion, until the NCAA gets the NIL / transfer portal under control, I can't see many high quality 4-year players and any MAC schools. Maybe I should say "if" instead of "until".

Re: the original post, I've found myself with slightly less interest in college sports in general as a result of the portal and NIL. It's just staggering how much greed on the part of the old guys and gals running the NCAA has affected things. Imagine if they'd done the right thing 15 years ago without legal proceedings requiring them to change.


What can the NCAA do about the NIL? NIL is law in 32 states, with many more having pending legislation. NCAA cannot supersede state law! And the NCAA is NOT going to ban NIL in 18 states. As for the portal, after the Deppe v National Collegiate Athletic Association case, the NCAA decided they are one ruling away from losing total control.


You're right that they can't do anything now.

But their inaction led to this point. State legislatures were compelled into action because they let a system everybody knew wasn't sufficient persist. They could have relaxed their restrictions on player earnings and set the guardrails; instead they played chicken, lost and the states did so and they lost complete control.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/18/2023 8:20:43 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
shabamon wrote:
When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?


In my opinion, until the NCAA gets the NIL / transfer portal under control, I can't see many high quality 4-year players and any MAC schools. Maybe I should say "if" instead of "until".

Re: the original post, I've found myself with slightly less interest in college sports in general as a result of the portal and NIL. It's just staggering how much greed on the part of the old guys and gals running the NCAA has affected things. Imagine if they'd done the right thing 15 years ago without legal proceedings requiring them to change.


I think we will quickly find ourselves in a world where smaller programs like ours will be better off paying players a fixed salary to "lock them in" to a four-year scholarship agreement.

It's a scary precedent to set because of the looming issue of how large a football roster is (you wouldn't be able to pay basketball players without paying everyone) but it is easily doable in basketball.

There's nothing worse than losing an investment you have in a player (development, tuition, room and board) who is suddenly better than you thought he could be and has eyes for a larger school.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/18/2023 8:23:39 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
shabamon wrote:
When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?


In my opinion, until the NCAA gets the NIL / transfer portal under control, I can't see many high quality 4-year players and any MAC schools. Maybe I should say "if" instead of "until".

Re: the original post, I've found myself with slightly less interest in college sports in general as a result of the portal and NIL. It's just staggering how much greed on the part of the old guys and gals running the NCAA has affected things. Imagine if they'd done the right thing 15 years ago without legal proceedings requiring them to change.


What can the NCAA do about the NIL? NIL is law in 32 states, with many more having pending legislation. NCAA cannot supersede state law! And the NCAA is NOT going to ban NIL in 18 states. As for the portal, after the Deppe v National Collegiate Athletic Association case, the NCAA decided they are one ruling away from losing total control.


You're right that they can't do anything now.

But their inaction led to this point. State legislatures were compelled into action because they let a system everybody knew wasn't sufficient persist. They could have relaxed their restrictions on player earnings and set the guardrails; instead they played chicken, lost and the states did so and they lost complete control.



So you going to blame state athletic associations because they didn't act early enough as legislators bring NIL into High School and Jr. High sports. Because its law already in several states, and the moment it hits Ohio's borders, it will become legal in High School. Face it, if compensation was allowed but limited, it would be challenged in court (just like all levels of limiting compensation has historically been challenged). Some people act like the NCAA is some ultra powerful organization, when in reality its only as powerful as #1. Laws allow it to be. #2. Only as powerful as its members allow it to be.

Another example of this is how HS kids can be allowed to move so freely, everyone wants to blame the state associations, but school choice is LAW, its law in every single state. You cannot deny participation.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/18/2023 8:25:50 PM 
bobcatsandbrew wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
shabamon wrote:
When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?


In my opinion, until the NCAA gets the NIL / transfer portal under control, I can't see many high quality 4-year players and any MAC schools. Maybe I should say "if" instead of "until".

Re: the original post, I've found myself with slightly less interest in college sports in general as a result of the portal and NIL. It's just staggering how much greed on the part of the old guys and gals running the NCAA has affected things. Imagine if they'd done the right thing 15 years ago without legal proceedings requiring them to change.


I think we will quickly find ourselves in a world where smaller programs like ours will be better off paying players a fixed salary to "lock them in" to a four-year scholarship agreement.

It's a scary precedent to set because of the looming issue of how large a football roster is (you wouldn't be able to pay basketball players without paying everyone) but it is easily doable in basketball.

There's nothing worse than losing an investment you have in a player (development, tuition, room and board) who is suddenly better than you thought he could be and has eyes for a larger school.


Those agreements are no longer binding though with the transfer portal. And the NCAA allowed extra payment to players 10 years ago with the "full cost of tution" deal, where some places it was 5 figures over scholarship value.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/18/2023 8:28:56 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
shabamon wrote:
When will be the next time we have a first team all-MAC caliber player that completes all of his college eligibility at Ohio*? Will we have another Jason Preston, Tony Campbell, or DJ Cooper any time soon?


In my opinion, until the NCAA gets the NIL / transfer portal under control, I can't see many high quality 4-year players and any MAC schools. Maybe I should say "if" instead of "until".

Re: the original post, I've found myself with slightly less interest in college sports in general as a result of the portal and NIL. It's just staggering how much greed on the part of the old guys and gals running the NCAA has affected things. Imagine if they'd done the right thing 15 years ago without legal proceedings requiring them to change.


What can the NCAA do about the NIL? NIL is law in 32 states, with many more having pending legislation. NCAA cannot supersede state law! And the NCAA is NOT going to ban NIL in 18 states. As for the portal, after the Deppe v National Collegiate Athletic Association case, the NCAA decided they are one ruling away from losing total control.


You're right that they can't do anything now.

But their inaction led to this point. State legislatures were compelled into action because they let a system everybody knew wasn't sufficient persist. They could have relaxed their restrictions on player earnings and set the guardrails; instead they played chicken, lost and the states did so and they lost complete control.



10 years ago the NCAA allowed full cost of college to be paid, some places that was an extra $10K, and that still wasn't enough, so that was challenged. And again, as you know it only takes one state legislature to wreck the entire system.

The NCAA didn't do anything about gambling, but States did, now schools and the NCAA has to deal with death threats to their athletes when they miss kicks, FT's, goals. Again, everyone wants to blame the NCAA, but why? what can they do to stop any of this? I'm open to read your suggestions, because you always are thinking (not sarcasm).
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/19/2023 6:00:18 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:


10 years ago the NCAA allowed full cost of college to be paid, some places that was an extra $10K, and that still wasn't enough, so that was challenged. And again, as you know it only takes one state legislature to wreck the entire system.

The NCAA didn't do anything about gambling, but States did, now schools and the NCAA has to deal with death threats to their athletes when they miss kicks, FT's, goals. Again, everyone wants to blame the NCAA, but why? what can they do to stop any of this? I'm open to read your suggestions, because you always are thinking (not sarcasm).


I don't think the gambling comparison's all that apt, personally. States didn't legalize sports betting as a direct result of the NCAA's failure to do so. Whereas the NIL was a direct response to the fact that the NCAA was profiting on players NIL but prohibiting players from doing so. The courts agreed -- but before they did, the public sentiment shifted over the course of decades and the NCAA opted not to make meaningful changes. They could have, and I suspect they could have gotten away with changes that were far less drastic than state NIL laws have been. The play was to acknowledge the issue, share more revenue with players, and attempt to shift public sentiment. Maybe that revenue share took the form of a trust that couldn't be accessed for a set number of years; maybe it was cash, but that cash had to come from approved sponsors that also invested in the program. Maybe it could have been capped -- the NBA salary cap is negotiated as a percentage of revenue, for instance. And that's league revenue, not team revenue. You could easily envision taking the average revenue of D1 programs (or at a conference level) and capping player NIL earnings at a percentage of that.

Instead, the NCAA gave only an inch or two and politicians seized on a popular issue to pass legislation because the NCAA did nothing. Bottom line is that if the polling didn't show that people thought it was broken, legislators wouldn't have scrambled to fix it. NCAA inaction allowed that to happen. And there were paths that would have addressed the inequity the public perceived without upending the system. The NCAA didn't take any of those paths.

Now, I suspect there's no putting the cat back in the bag. But the NCAA made their bed here. Anybody paying attention knew their model wouldn't stand up to scrutiny; it ended up a unanimous decision on the Supreme Court. There aren't many of those these days, given how politicized the court's become. They had years to adapt and attempt to set the terms, and their inaction ended up leaving it to the states.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Unexpected Consequence of New Transfer Era
   Posted: 1/22/2023 10:53:25 AM 
Businesses were profiting from players, companies like EA Sports. NCAA makes money off of the product, and actually the NCAA makes their revenue off of the post season tournaments, tv rights for said tournaments and membership fees, mainly March Madness. They do not own the CFP, they do not own Bowl Games, they get zero dollars from admissions in regular season.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/219605/ncaa-revenue-b... /

They make zero dollars of of players names and images.
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