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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 4/30/2024 12:19:42 PM 
Eastern loses two more right after their two DePaul gets.

Orlando Lovejoy and Legend Geeter into the portal.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 4/30/2024 3:02:28 PM 
Lolol Jovante Brown is back in the portal.

Last Edited: 4/30/2024 3:02:49 PM by shabamon

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 4/30/2024 4:36:37 PM 
We get Elijah Elliott who originally verbally committed to FAU, 6'2 combo guard - Chase Boals confirmed as walk on commit

Last Edited: 4/30/2024 4:37:25 PM by Cellis033


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 4/30/2024 5:47:10 PM 
Cellis033 wrote:
We get Elijah Elliott who originally verbally committed to FAU, 6'2 combo guard - Chase Boals confirmed as walk on commit


He also had offers originally from Kansas State and Drake,etc

A great pickup. One schollie left for a veteran big and there are lots in the portal.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 4/30/2024 6:17:51 PM 
greencat wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
We get Elijah Elliott who originally verbally committed to FAU, 6'2 combo guard - Chase Boals confirmed as walk on commit


He also had offers originally from Kansas State and Drake,etc

A great pickup. One schollie left for a veteran big and there are lots in the portal.


Will Elliott see time in a loaded wing room? If he is a project that give us Nichol, Burris, Evans and Elliott as projects. That is some Saul thinkin there.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 4/30/2024 6:30:37 PM 
I think Elliott is the type to command playing time from day 1. It's been a bad offseason for Sheldon, who appears will remain in the same role he was in his sophomore year.

Alternative take - The Elliott get is embracing there is no big coming and loading up for a wing heavy offense.


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 4/30/2024 6:41:50 PM 
Didn't see it posted, but NIU Xavier Amos to Wisconsin. Big step up there.

For that matter, NIU Keshawn Williams to Colorado St is as well.

So NIU has guys transfer to Wisconsin, Penn St and Colorado St and none of them are David Coit. Interesting.

Last Edited: 4/30/2024 6:45:18 PM by GraffZ06

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/1/2024 8:44:50 PM 
Isaiah Adams from Buffalo to Toledo. Their 2nd intra-conference transfer.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/1/2024 8:58:40 PM 
Tyler Cochranís transfer announcement coming tomorrow.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/2/2024 1:01:04 PM 
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.

Last Edited: 5/2/2024 1:11:18 PM by FJC31

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/2/2024 4:40:09 PM 
Ball State's Davion Bailey to Incarnate Word. That's two former Cardinals heading to UIW.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/2/2024 7:10:09 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.


I'm sur that a Toledo fan would remind you that they have four MAC titles in the last four years. They just don't have the tournament title which brings the most attention to the University. I think that's surprising but not all that surprising. I think a regular season championship is more dependent on catching the right breaks than anything else. A tournament title is DEFINATELY mostly luck so I don't think we should be all that surprised when a team, no matter what we think of that team, doesn't win. What surprises me is when people ARE surprised.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/2/2024 7:58:31 PM 
Victory wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.


I'm sur that a Toledo fan would remind you that they have four MAC titles in the last four years. They just don't have the tournament title which brings the most attention to the University. I think that's surprising but not all that surprising. I think a regular season championship is more dependent on catching the right breaks than anything else. A tournament title is DEFINATELY mostly luck so I don't think we should be all that surprised when a team, no matter what we think of that team, doesn't win. What surprises me is when people ARE surprised.


I think a regular season title is harder to get as injuries, schedule breaks, and winning one or two games you should have lost play a huge part in a league like the MAC.

A MAC Tournament title is easier in the sense that matchups/coaching (particularly in the first round) play a key role considering each victory comes with two defeats - the team you beat and the team your next opponent beats are eliminated. Historically -- particularly w/Ohio MAC teams, a rivalry game will also be played at some point which is a toss-up, no matter what the records.

By rivalry I don't just mean Ohio-Miami, Kent-Akron, but considering recent history, Kent-Toledo is a rivalry of sorts as well. And we see how that played out when it looked like UT should have cakewalked the Flashes.


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/2/2024 10:55:18 PM 
Victory wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.


I'm sur that a Toledo fan would remind you that they have four MAC titles in the last four years. They just don't have the tournament title which brings the most attention to the University. I think that's surprising but not all that surprising. I think a regular season championship is more dependent on catching the right breaks than anything else. A tournament title is DEFINATELY mostly luck so I don't think we should be all that surprised when a team, no matter what we think of that team, doesn't win. What surprises me is when people ARE surprised.


And with all that said...give me Ohio's last four years over Toledo's last four years. I can't imagine being a Rockets fan and winning four straight regular season titles and not sniffing the Big Dance once. No thank you. Like it or not, such is life in a one-bid league.

Last Edited: 5/3/2024 5:54:09 AM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/3/2024 7:33:23 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
Victory wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.


I'm sur that a Toledo fan would remind you that they have four MAC titles in the last four years. They just don't have the tournament title which brings the most attention to the University. I think that's surprising but not all that surprising. I think a regular season championship is more dependent on catching the right breaks than anything else. A tournament title is DEFINATELY mostly luck so I don't think we should be all that surprised when a team, no matter what we think of that team, doesn't win. What surprises me is when people ARE surprised.


And with all that said...give me Ohio's last four years over Toledo's last four years. I can't imagine being a Rockets fan and winning four straight regular season titles and not sniffing the Big Dance once. No thank you. Like it or not, such is life in a one-bid league.


+1. I couldnít take that reminder seriously. Itís big dance or bust, but Iíll applaud Tod K on the talent heís been able to bring in year in and year out. Just 1 MAC tourney title over the years and heís probably gone.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/3/2024 2:14:59 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Victory wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.


I'm sur that a Toledo fan would remind you that they have four MAC titles in the last four years. They just don't have the tournament title which brings the most attention to the University. I think that's surprising but not all that surprising. I think a regular season championship is more dependent on catching the right breaks than anything else. A tournament title is DEFINATELY mostly luck so I don't think we should be all that surprised when a team, no matter what we think of that team, doesn't win. What surprises me is when people ARE surprised.


And with all that said...give me Ohio's last four years over Toledo's last four years. I can't imagine being a Rockets fan and winning four straight regular season titles and not sniffing the Big Dance once. No thank you. Like it or not, such is life in a one-bid league.


+1. I couldnít take that reminder seriously. Itís big dance or bust, but Iíll applaud Tod K on the talent heís been able to bring in year in and year out. Just 1 MAC tourney title over the years and heís probably gone.


Agree....definitely gone and forever a Toledo legend with just one conference tournament championship.

Last Edited: 5/4/2024 9:08:34 AM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/4/2024 1:25:25 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Victory wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.


I'm sur that a Toledo fan would remind you that they have four MAC titles in the last four years. They just don't have the tournament title which brings the most attention to the University. I think that's surprising but not all that surprising. I think a regular season championship is more dependent on catching the right breaks than anything else. A tournament title is DEFINATELY mostly luck so I don't think we should be all that surprised when a team, no matter what we think of that team, doesn't win. What surprises me is when people ARE surprised.


And with all that said...give me Ohio's last four years over Toledo's last four years. I can't imagine being a Rockets fan and winning four straight regular season titles and not sniffing the Big Dance once. No thank you. Like it or not, such is life in a one-bid league.


+1. I couldnít take that reminder seriously. Itís big dance or bust, but Iíll applaud Tod K on the talent heís been able to bring in year in and year out. Just 1 MAC tourney title over the years and heís probably gone.


Agree....definitely gone and forever a Toledo legend with just one conference tournament championship.


Perhaps I'm old school ... But I'll take a conference title any day. I think NCAA Bids are great, but fade unless they come with a win or two (like the Cats have delivered). But over time what good are 2-3 NCAA appearances if they don't come with a win or two.

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/4/2024 1:56:45 PM 
Marcus Johnson (Wheeling) to Bowling Green.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/4/2024 6:33:33 PM 
OUcat wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Victory wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Cochran to Oregon State.

https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1786072666685731281?s=46&...

Maddux - Louisville
Dennis - Baylor
Moss - Oregon
Cochran - Oregon State
Rollins - NBA

It's wild to me how much talent Toledo has had over the years without a MAC title.


I'm sur that a Toledo fan would remind you that they have four MAC titles in the last four years. They just don't have the tournament title which brings the most attention to the University. I think that's surprising but not all that surprising. I think a regular season championship is more dependent on catching the right breaks than anything else. A tournament title is DEFINATELY mostly luck so I don't think we should be all that surprised when a team, no matter what we think of that team, doesn't win. What surprises me is when people ARE surprised.


And with all that said...give me Ohio's last four years over Toledo's last four years. I can't imagine being a Rockets fan and winning four straight regular season titles and not sniffing the Big Dance once. No thank you. Like it or not, such is life in a one-bid league.


+1. I couldnít take that reminder seriously. Itís big dance or bust, but Iíll applaud Tod K on the talent heís been able to bring in year in and year out. Just 1 MAC tourney title over the years and heís probably gone.


Agree....definitely gone and forever a Toledo legend with just one conference tournament championship.


Perhaps I'm old school ... But I'll take a conference title any day. I think NCAA Bids are great, but fade unless they come with a win or two (like the Cats have delivered). But over time what good are 2-3 NCAA appearances if they don't come with a win or two.



I think almost everyone would take a tournament title over a regular season title, including the AD and college president. Almost all of the 2000 or so collegiate athletic departments lose money. The point of taking on the cost is mostly as a marketing expense for exposure of the school. It is also in part a campus entertainment and quality of life expense and to lesser extent executing the college mission of developing leaders of the future. Unless a mid-major program is really good, even just losing one game in the NCAA tournament is probably the best chance for marketing exposure so it is important to the coach's goals. Winning 1 tournament as opposed to 4 regular season championships, well, I imagine that preference is pretty split. And as far as the AD goes consistently winning is what gets games on lesser TV channels and sells tickets to regular season games.

Todd K hasn't won a tournament. That's a knock on him. And, yes, people are human and not robots so it might have something to do with him as a coach or the type of players he recruits as to why they succeed in winning most MAC games but always lose one in the tournament. But I would contend that every game, regular season or not (baseball more so than basketball and basketball more so than football), has a lot of lucky breaks in the outcome. Even over the course of a long season lucky breaks, injuries and such play a very, very big factor. Unless you are a team as far above the league as 2019 Buffalo, the chances of any team winning any particular tournament aren't great but if he keeps winning low to mid twenties every regular season odds are pretty good that at some point he'll get one. FJC31 was dismissive of my comment but I also, while no fan of Toledo, felt like I HAD to comment. In my mind it was an obviously false statement and also probably an intentionally false one. It is the sort of deceitful thing that politicians do when they lie in that knowing that they are lying about their opponent's record but if they are called out on it then they can be snarky dismissive of their opponent's record rather than be forced to own the lie.

There was a time when MAC champions got at-large bids. Especially now, with the way that the MAC is post-pandemic, that probably isn't happening again any time soon. I am fully aware that describes "life in the MAC" But I think that using that as the reason that the regular season title doesn't count for anything because you are very unlikely to parlay that into the ultimate national title is just ridiculous. A MAC team is very unlikely to parlay a tournament championship into a national championship as well. I mean, duh. It is like you gave zero thought to what you said. The same rules apply on that argument. If you want to make a distinction, and there is a distinction, look at it from the marketing and campus life and ticket sales standpoint. Doing anything else makes no sense at all. Any other argument is just from a standpoint of personal preference. Getting dismissive and snarky when comparing someone's possible personal preferences to yours is pretty rude.

Todd K is 57 now. He's reaching the point where his age is going to start making it harder to get that big payday. But is is probably still slightly closer to that in the hierarchy than Boals is right now. But our offseason looks pretty good so far. If we can get a high quality grad transfer center oe something like that, I think having a team that approaches the school record in wins and wins both MAC titles becomes a realistic possibility. And if that happens, at 51, even though we probably won't lose Boals to a job offering a smallish raise, odds are very good that he'll be offered the sort of job that he can't refuse.

Last Edited: 5/4/2024 6:54:03 PM by Victory

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/5/2024 11:33:00 AM 
Cornish to Nichols State.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/5/2024 12:48:36 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Cornish to Nichols State.


13-5 in that conference last season. Not bad.

But blown out twice by Will Wade's team which will be even better now.**

Nobody else will see the light of day in the NCAA tourney as long as Wade remains.


** 3 times if you include the conference tournament

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/8/2024 10:30:03 AM 
Miami lands Pete Suder from Bellarmine.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/8/2024 11:36:05 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Miami lands Pete Suder from Bellarmine.


Fiami (OH) transfer Ryan Mabrey has committed to Quinnipiac.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Portal Watchin 2024
   Posted: 5/9/2024 3:52:39 PM 
BG lands 6'6 230 Soph transfer Wilguens Exacte Jr from Utah.

Running for best name in the MAC
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