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Topic: RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

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Bobcat Love
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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:48:58 PM

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Coaching mapractice to not be playing Evans. Absolutely ridiculous.

The only question now is the Cover ATS.

18-4 run to start the game, 12-2 run to start the 2nd half. 69% from 3 for Memphis. You can't win anything with that kind of nonsense.

FearLeon
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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:49:42 PM

Someone care to explain why Sheldon was taken out at 5:14 mark?

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis (NT)

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:49:59 PM

Last Edited: 11/15/2024 9:50:28 PM by bobcatsquared

FearLeon
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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:51:07 PM

With 3 min left:

Sheldon 22 min
Pav 30 min

Make it make sense.

Last Edited: 11/15/2024 9:51:34 PM by FearLeon

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:51:56 PM

How did the refs not T up Cisse on that pull up he did on the rim???

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:52:08 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

I agree on this but it is Memphis without Reef. This time of year is finding out what you have and Sheldon has shown he can go off so now you have AJC, AJB, EJ, Reef, Hadaway and Sheldon who can all go for 20. And Searls and Elliott as better than expected bench guys. Would like more Evans mins but still solid.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:55:10 PM

FormerMember wrote:

Memphis is begging Ohio to get back into this game but we've been unable to capitalize. Too many self-inflicted errors.

I actually feel better following this performance but they still need to work on a bunch of things before conference play as expected.

This was before Ohio decided to quit playing and accept getting blown out on the road.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:57:03 PM

Men v boys.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 9:58:04 PM

This game was closer than what the score is gonna show.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 10:01:25 PM

Memphis shoots 73% from 3. How is this possible? What is this coaching staff doing? And if Ben Nicol can�t play tonight, he�s never going to play in an Ohio uniform.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 10:02:42 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Apologies, Memphis ended up at 72% from 3!!!!!!

It was Illinois State without Reef and we got smoked too. Is this time of year to see what Evans can do before the MAC? To not play your prized recruit more than ONE MINUTE in non mop-up time? At some point the water carrying for Boals has to die down....this is ugly. We should be much better.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 10:06:07 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Eh, even without Reef this was winnable.

This is a team full of juniors and seniors, most of have which have played together for 2 years. It�s really tough to give a �this time of year is finding out what you have� pass.

Losing is frustrating, but it�s how we�re losing. We don�t look well coached. Clayton�s start reminds me of Jaylin�s last year coming into the year with preseason accolades.

Agree with Bobcat Love, it�s bizarre to not be playing Evans.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 10:07:51 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Hate to say it. That was a Saul second half tonight in Memphis. Boals still has plenty of time to figure it out for 3 nights in Cleveland.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 10:08:45 PM

FJC31 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

And by year end Jaylin was First Team All-MAC. And Pavs is getting acclimated. Brown and Elmore both still coming back. AJC has had a less than expected year but will be fine.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 10:26:11 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

I agree. There is something missing from this team, and I don�t think that it�s just Reff. The total is less than the sum of the parts. Lot�s of individual talent, but there�s very little chemistry. Our passing is just atrocious. All our players seem to be good guys and they seem to like each other, but they don�t play well as a team. And, that 72 percent from three wasn�t just their excellent shooting, at least some of it was what might be the D1�s worst three point defense. At this point, I�m not even sure this team will be a top four seed in Cleveland.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/15/2024 10:50:23 PM

Our defense this year.

Memphis: 32-57, 13-18 from 3
Ill St: 30-49, 10-19 from 3
UNCA: 27-63, 11-25
JMU: 31-57, 10-20

Totals: 120-226 53.1%
44-82 from 3 53.7%

That's 1.610 points per possession on 3 pt attempts for you and me.

No idea how that isn't worst in the entire country.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 1:42:17 AM

That was a painful one to watch. I still think there's a good team in there, but we just seem so undisciplined/unfocused right now. Whether it's defense (not moving your feet 1v1, letting the same passing pattern repeatedly lead to open 3s) or offense (getting into the paint and throwing up a prayer, lazy cross-court passes that lead to runouts), we're just not nearly as locked in as we need to be. Maybe all the pre-season accolades made us too comfortable?

It sucks missing Reef two games in a row (with what was apparently a minor knock but now, who knows?), but it's not like we were exactly world-beaters on defense before he went down. Over 50% from the field and from 3(!!) for our opponents is a shocking statistic.

Agree 100% that we need to see Evans more, especially when Clayton is struggling and especially when we're already down 15+.

On the bright side, despite his poor shooting I thought Pav had his best game as a Bobcat. More active on rebounding/defense, and his drive-and-dish game seemed much more natural/in-rhythm than the first 3 games. If he can follow the Jaylin Hunter trajectory I'll remain bullish on our chances.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 1:45:37 AM

FearLeon wrote:

Memphis shoots 73% from 3. How is this possible? What is this coaching staff doing? And if Ben Nicol can�t play tonight, he�s never going to play in an Ohio uniform.

Agree about Ben Nicol. If we are emptying the bench anyway I'm confused as to why he wouldn't get minutes (assuming he's not injured).

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 2:04:07 AM

Sorry guys and gals (if there are any), I don't agree with the general sentiment here. Losing games you should win and getting blown out (in the end) by Memphis are discouraging losses but most teams can�t hit 50% of their threes in warmup. We�re seeing some unconscious shooting but things generally revert to the mean over time. On the other hand I�m seeing more individual talent on our team than we�ve had in a long time. And they�re playing hard. If we�re still losing in a month you can say I�m full of crap. At this point I am not ready to dump on the coaching staff. In fact this team looks disciplined and well coached to me.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 4:03:49 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Yep, after tonights game, according to Torvik our team 3pt% defense is officially #363 out of 364 D-1 teams - and the team in dead last is listed as Alabama A&M at 100% (which is obviously an error).

So yes, we are indeed the worst in the entire country.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 8:53:51 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

And by year end Jaylin was First Team All-MAC. And Pavs is getting acclimated. Brown and Elmore both still coming back. AJC has had a less than expected year but will be fine.

It really doesn�t justify looking this unprepared. Like I said, it�s how we�re losing. Like someone said, it�s a great collection of individual players but we�re not resembling a team.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 9:34:37 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

These numbers are so embarrassing and hard to fathom. I would say 80% of the 3�s made against us were wide open too.

Last Edited: 11/16/2024 9:35:02 AM by FearLeon

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 11:29:23 AM

FearLeon wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

These numbers are so embarrassing and hard to fathom. I would say 80% of the 3�s made against us were wide open too.

This is a lot of bad defense and some bad luck. We could have made the active decision to give threes to all these players and would have at least a chance to not be surrendering that percentage.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 11:51:26 AM

Sure there's some bad luck at play but 4 games and 44 made 3s is enough of a sample size to blame the common denominator.

If we can't figure out how to guard somebody, anybody, then Boals may have to consider grinding the tempo to a stand still in an attempt to limit opponent possessions.

Of course that doesn't seem like the best offensive strategy for a small team with guys like Reef Brown and James.

Lots of growing to do.

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RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Memphis

Posted: 11/16/2024 12:32:44 PM

13 for 18 from 3 is absolutely bonkers. 44 for 82 on the season is extremely bonkers. I understand we 100% contributed to that, but also think it can't possibly continue at that rate and could, in a weird way, be an indication of good things to come.

Clayton & Hadaway struggled and Memphis drained threes, yes aided by our poor perimeter defense again. That's really the whole story.

Is Ajay Sheldon really going to go 4 years as a bench player? I am not necessarily saying he should start over JP, nor am I saying he should've started over Hunter...but the guy is absolutely a D1 mid-major starter. He led the conference in 3 point shooting last year and won't be surprised if he does again this year. But he isn't just a 3 point shooter, he is an excellent ball handler and solid defender. It just doesn't seem right that he could be a 4 year bench player.

I understand the call for Evans but this does not surprise me. When we brought Searls in, I took that as Evans taking a back seat for 1 year. I agree Nicol just won't ever be a Bobcat regular...that just happens sometimes with a 13 man roster. The 9 guys who are playing all have a lot of talent, there isn't anyone in the group that I'm uncomfortable with out on the court.

It's been disappointing. As others said, in today's environment our roster should be very familiar with each other and that be an advantage early on. So "still gelling and figuring out their scheme" doesn't fly with me. But I fully believe better days are ahead. Hopefully that's in Myrtle Beach.

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