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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 6 Thread: Portland
   Posted: 11/22/2024 9:54:41 PM 
I really don't get some of the negative opinions on Pavs. He's not the best defender but he's clearly a talented offensive player. I think some of you are harping way too much on his cons without giving proper credit for what he creates offensively.

I also think some of you have forgotten how Shareef Mitchell has looked at point guard in the past. He's much more of a scorer than a facilitator for everyone else.

We're a team that's going to have to spread out minutes between a handful of talented guards and that's okay. Pavs, Mitchell, Brown, James, Sheldon and eventually Elliott are all going to see solid minutes this year and that's okay.

Last Edited: 11/22/2024 9:59:24 PM by FormerMember
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 6 Thread: Portland
   Posted: 11/22/2024 10:21:19 PM 
FormerMember wrote:
I really don't get some of the negative opinions on Pavs. He's not the best defender but he's clearly a talented offensive player. I think some of you are harping way too much on his cons without giving proper credit for what he creates offensively.

I also think some of you have forgotten how Shareef Mitchell has looked at point guard in the past. He's much more of a scorer than a facilitator for everyone else.

We're a team that's going to have to spread out minutes between a handful of talented guards and that's okay. Pavs, Mitchell, Brown, James, Sheldon and eventually Elliott are all going to see solid minutes this year and that's okay.


I agree with you. Having watched the games to date to me he sees the court better than any of our guys. He's averaging almost 5 assists per game. Other than Reef at 4 per game no one else is much over 1 per game. If Pavs shooting picks up, he should be on the court 30 minutes per game.
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   Posted: 11/22/2024 10:32:01 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
That's the AJ Clayton we all want and need!

The Jax Pav lines are starting to resemble the Rondo lines during his prime! I love it!

Hopefully we can clip some Ivy tomorrow, if that's how it pans out.


Pav with back-to-back double doubles. I think we're gonna be ok guys/gals.


If by "we're gonna be ok" you mean we just need Clayton to go off for 34 to comfortably beat teams ranked in the mid 200's or below (to be fair that's 2/3 of the MAC) - then yeah I guess so.

We got a W when we needed a W. Long long long way to go.

Torvik has us going 19-12, 12-6 in MAC after today's game.

Is that "okay"? Maybe.



I was more referring to the OK factor at the PG position. Pav caught, maybe rightfully so even as a newcomer, some flak for a couple of bad outings.

Last Edited: 11/22/2024 10:33:32 PM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 11/23/2024 10:19:47 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
For kicks and giggles I broke down how I'd distribute the minutes (and in before SBH or Billy offer up Jeff's email address - yes I'm a dude on the internet, Jeff Boals both knows more than me and gets paid more than me - so he can do what he wants)

PG: Reef - 32, Pavs - 8
SG: Brown - 16, Sheldon - 16, Pavs - 5, EJ4 - 3
SF: Hadaway - 15, Brown - 13, EJ4 - 12
PF: Clayton - 33, Hadaway - 7
C: Searls - 25, Evans - 10, Clayton - 5

Total Minutes
Clayton - 38
Mitchell - 32
Brown - 29
Searls - 25
Hadaway - 22
Sheldon - 16
James - 15
Paveletzke - 13
Evans - 10

Something like that.

Then again, I'm big on defense and rebounding being the winning formula.


Not sure I understand the reaction to Pavs at this point. I get he's a liability on defense, but so is Sheldon, and over the last two games -- the best two we've played -- Pavs went for 12.5 pts/10.5 assists/5.5 rebounds.

He's struggled shooting, but he's a much better career shooter than he's shown, so you would expect that to revert to the mean.

Ajay is an excellent shooter, but doesn't do much else. He's certainly not a plus defender -- on their careers, Pavs and Ajay basically have identical defensive win share numbers -- and doesn't move the ball nearly as well as Pavs.

Just don't see the argument that Paveletzke should be the 8th guy in our rotation. If you were giving his minutes to a strong defender, I'd understand it more. But giving the minutes to Sheldon doesn't solve your defensive problems at all, and makes you a worse rebounding team, too.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 6 Thread: Portland
   Posted: 11/23/2024 10:20:52 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
I really don't get some of the negative opinions on Pavs. He's not the best defender but he's clearly a talented offensive player. I think some of you are harping way too much on his cons without giving proper credit for what he creates offensively.

I also think some of you have forgotten how Shareef Mitchell has looked at point guard in the past. He's much more of a scorer than a facilitator for everyone else.

We're a team that's going to have to spread out minutes between a handful of talented guards and that's okay. Pavs, Mitchell, Brown, James, Sheldon and eventually Elliott are all going to see solid minutes this year and that's okay.


I agree with you. Having watched the games to date to me he sees the court better than any of our guys. He's averaging almost 5 assists per game. Other than Reef at 4 per game no one else is much over 1 per game. If Pavs shooting picks up, he should be on the court 30 minutes per game.



100%. If his shooting recovers to his career levels and he plays like he did over the last two games, he's a first team all conference guy. Not sure folks understand just how rare it is to fill the stat sheet that way.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 6 Thread: Portland
   Posted: 11/23/2024 1:06:47 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
For kicks and giggles I broke down how I'd distribute the minutes (and in before SBH or Billy offer up Jeff's email address - yes I'm a dude on the internet, Jeff Boals both knows more than me and gets paid more than me - so he can do what he wants)

PG: Reef - 32, Pavs - 8
SG: Brown - 16, Sheldon - 16, Pavs - 5, EJ4 - 3
SF: Hadaway - 15, Brown - 13, EJ4 - 12
PF: Clayton - 33, Hadaway - 7
C: Searls - 25, Evans - 10, Clayton - 5

Total Minutes
Clayton - 38
Mitchell - 32
Brown - 29
Searls - 25
Hadaway - 22
Sheldon - 16
James - 15
Paveletzke - 13
Evans - 10

Something like that.

Then again, I'm big on defense and rebounding being the winning formula.


I like what you did here, but disagree on PAV. My god…he’s six games into his Bobcat career. Yes…he’s tiny. And it frustrates me when he drives into the lane and tries to scoop a dipsy-doo underhand shot between 6’9 guys….but he’s solid and nobody can complain about his numbers six games in.

And Boals mentioned after the last game that he has been nursing an injury and feeling better. I have no doubt his outside shooting will pick up as the season goes on.

I agree about limiting Elmore’s minutes. Looking forward to Reef getting back and Elmore coming off the bench.


Last Edited: 11/23/2024 1:07:46 PM by FearLeon

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 6 Thread: Portland
   Posted: 11/23/2024 1:59:08 PM 
Pav has looked very shaky bringing the ball up against a press. Dribbled off his foot, of course, against MTSU, then got away with an obvious hook around the defender a few minutes later. Almost turned it over when trapped on the sideline against Portland. Not an elite ballhandler by any stretch.
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   Posted: 11/23/2024 4:11:28 PM 
SBH wrote:
Pav has looked very shaky bringing the ball up against a press. Dribbled off his foot, of course, against MTSU, then got away with an obvious hook around the defender a few minutes later. Almost turned it over when trapped on the sideline against Portland. Not an elite ballhandler by any stretch.


I am legitimately perplexed by the number of people on here who are acting like PAV is “The Whiz” of point guards. Really makes no sense to me.



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   Posted: 11/23/2024 4:26:26 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
SBH wrote:
Pav has looked very shaky bringing the ball up against a press. Dribbled off his foot, of course, against MTSU, then got away with an obvious hook around the defender a few minutes later. Almost turned it over when trapped on the sideline against Portland. Not an elite ballhandler by any stretch.


I am legitimately perplexed by the number of people on here who are acting like PAV is “The Whiz” of point guards. Really makes no sense to me.





I predict that these posts will not age well.

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   Posted: 11/23/2024 4:35:42 PM 
El Gato Roberto wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
SBH wrote:
Pav has looked very shaky bringing the ball up against a press. Dribbled off his foot, of course, against MTSU, then got away with an obvious hook around the defender a few minutes later. Almost turned it over when trapped on the sideline against Portland. Not an elite ballhandler by any stretch.


I am legitimately perplexed by the number of people on here who are acting like PAV is “The Whiz” of point guards. Really makes no sense to me.





I predict that these posts will not age well.


I am with ya El Gato Roberto

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   Posted: 11/23/2024 8:58:12 PM 
What is going to age well is this team as Mitchell begins his return. Once he gets his legs back he will start at point and allow Jackson P to lead the 2nd team. Mitchell will get 28-30 minutes and JP will find a 14-16 roll. best use of both their skill sets.
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   Posted: 11/23/2024 10:21:05 PM 
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What is going to age well is this team as Mitchell begins his return. Once he gets his legs back he will start at point and allow Jackson P to lead the 2nd team. Mitchell will get 28-30 minutes and JP will find a 14-16 roll. best use of both their skill sets.


This 100% will not happen.

The Pav hate is absolutely baffling after the last two games he’s had.

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   Posted: 11/24/2024 2:58:32 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
What is going to age well is this team as Mitchell begins his return. Once he gets his legs back he will start at point and allow Jackson P to lead the 2nd team. Mitchell will get 28-30 minutes and JP will find a 14-16 roll. best use of both their skill sets.


Holy crap…..did you even watch the first two games of the season? PAV and Reef was the starting backcourt. PAV played 31 minutes against JMU and 29 minutes against UNC Asheville. And in both of those games, Reef was the starting 2-guard.

Seriously, have you not watched one minute of Ohio hoops this season? If you think this team is better with “PAV” playing 14-16 minutes per game as his perfect “role”, then I am glad you are not on the coaching staff.

Last Edited: 11/24/2024 3:04:09 AM by FearLeon

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 6 Thread: Portland
   Posted: 11/24/2024 12:39:41 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Holy crap…..did you even watch the first two games of the season?


Watched the first two on TV and spent the last few days in Myrtle watching the games court side which, as you were able to observe watching on TV, were unobstructed and allowed view of the whole court. Now I'm not going to get into a back and forth on the kid, nor continually question him or drag him through the mud. Some posters did that last year with IJ and Wiz and these kids don't deserve that from us. So I'll leave it at this post:

He was constantly beat off the dribble and had difficulty beating his defender with the dribble. Someone said he was getting over an injury so maybe he was a step slow due to that – if not he will have struggles in the MAC that tends to have quick point guards (or Mitchell guards the point). The ball was getting stalled in his hands – too much dribbling – and his handle was not what one expects from a point guard – fumbled the ball a number of times especially going laterally to his right. As noted previously, he gets caught in the lane with no escape resorting to an up and under, a hot potato pass to a teammate, or straight turnover. I see his stats, but point guard also means possession guard and beyond the turnover line he also led to lost possessions through the excessive dribbling and forcing teammates into rushed shots or getting the ball out of position.

Elliot showed skills and will start to get time. Mitchell coming back will obviously get minutes reallocated, and, accordingly to folks associated with the program, will be getting minutes at the point as well. Hope some of my observations are him still getting acclimate to new teammates – pg is like qb – chemistry can take time - and/or he felt he had to do more with Mitchell out. We will see.

Rotations and playing time will continue to get refined prior to MAC play. I trust Boals to figure it out. Team seems to have good chemistry and getting the win Friday made for a much more fun day on Saturday of putt-putt and Calabash fish eating in Dirty Myrtle. 3.5 point favorite vs. Texas St – hopefully they can close out the tournament 2 and 1.
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   Posted: 11/24/2024 12:57:07 PM 
Princeton just destroyed Portland. Put up 94
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