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   Posted: 11/25/2024 7:47:20 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 8:07:23 AM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



Hanging behind the three point line doesn't get you suspended twice.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 8:14:05 AM 
FJC31 wrote:
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oubobcatjohn wrote:
Toledo has Simmons. How come we can't get a player like that. We used to have those type of players. We back in the 1980's. Not enough athletic players on the frontline. Clayton and Hadaway are stretch 4's. They aren't centers. They aren't bangers. Searles is only big body we got and his is just a backup center type. We don't have anything like a Leon Williams, Reggie Keely, Jerome Tillman, Brandon, Hunter, Devaugh Washington, Tony Campbell or a Gary Trent on this roster. We don't shoot that well to make up for that.


This is not a Searls vs Wiz statement, it's a Searls vs legit D-1 post players take. He had 2 points and 2 rebounds last night plus a turnover and a couple of fouls. Not against a team from the SEC or ACC, a team from whatever conference TxState is in. Maybe we didn't have the NIL $$ for a better big but Kuany (if eligible) needs to be the primary backup big if Evans isn't physically ready.

Pope was a career 5 point/4 rebound guy. Last night he had 24 & 10. Plus the guy is 6-6, not 6-11. Just sayin'


Searls also had 11 points and 5 rebounds in just 19 minutes the game before going against Andrew Rapp who is 6’10 and Todd Jones who is 6’9. He’s been fine against D-1 competition. It’s like people on here want to blame Searls for the roster imbalances when he has held his own as a reserve.

Texas State is in the Sun Belt, btw. A better conference than the MAC.


Those guys lost by 30 last night in a consolation game and are now 2-6. Even on a crappy team, Rapp is a 6ppg guy and Jones averages 5. I'm not sure 11 & 5 against those guys = anything to write home about. It's not Searls fault he is slow and unathletic. Not everybody can be Anthony Davis or Jaren Jackson.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 8:31:47 AM 
shabamon wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



Hanging behind the three point line doesn't get you suspended twice.



I'm talking about on the court.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 8:34:57 AM 
greencat wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
greencat wrote:
oubobcatjohn wrote:
Toledo has Simmons. How come we can't get a player like that. We used to have those type of players. We back in the 1980's. Not enough athletic players on the frontline. Clayton and Hadaway are stretch 4's. They aren't centers. They aren't bangers. Searles is only big body we got and his is just a backup center type. We don't have anything like a Leon Williams, Reggie Keely, Jerome Tillman, Brandon, Hunter, Devaugh Washington, Tony Campbell or a Gary Trent on this roster. We don't shoot that well to make up for that.


This is not a Searls vs Wiz statement, it's a Searls vs legit D-1 post players take. He had 2 points and 2 rebounds last night plus a turnover and a couple of fouls. Not against a team from the SEC or ACC, a team from whatever conference TxState is in. Maybe we didn't have the NIL $$ for a better big but Kuany (if eligible) needs to be the primary backup big if Evans isn't physically ready.

Pope was a career 5 point/4 rebound guy. Last night he had 24 & 10. Plus the guy is 6-6, not 6-11. Just sayin'


Searls also had 11 points and 5 rebounds in just 19 minutes the game before going against Andrew Rapp who is 6’10 and Todd Jones who is 6’9. He’s been fine against D-1 competition. It’s like people on here want to blame Searls for the roster imbalances when he has held his own as a reserve.

Texas State is in the Sun Belt, btw. A better conference than the MAC.


Those guys lost by 30 last night in a consolation game and are now 2-6. Even on a crappy team, Rapp is a 6ppg guy and Jones averages 5. I'm not sure 11 & 5 against those guys = anything to write home about. It's not Searls fault he is slow and unathletic. Not everybody can be Anthony Davis or Jaren Jackson.



Do you just blindly post on here? Serious question.

Rapp averages 12ppg and 7rpg. Put up 13 and 7 against us.

We lost in a consolation game last night and are 2-5. I think most would agree we would have lost by 30 playing Princeton. We are also a crappy team, just like Portland.

Last Edited: 11/25/2024 8:36:03 AM by FJC31
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.
   Posted: 11/25/2024 8:40:32 AM 
FormerMember wrote:
It's easy to be frustrated and hate the team right now but it's an overreaction to question if this Ohio will even make it to Cleveland.

The MAC is horrible. This is still going to be an above .500 squad that should finish in the top four and have a shot.

The MAC Tournament shouldn't be the only thing that matters. I expect more out of the non-conference portion but being doom and gloom in November isn't a smart thought process. Ohio was 9-10 last year and 9-9 the year before and finished with 20 and 19 wins respectively.

Overreacting at this point of the season shows a lack of basketball IQ.

This team has issues. They'll fix some of them and they'll have to learn to battle through other problems. Boals has a history at Ohio of his teams improving as the season goes on. We'll see if that trend continues this year.


Sorry, I’m not really a basketball guy so you’re right I have no basketball IQ. But hear me out here, right now we are next to last in the “horrible” MAC with a 2-5 record, only Ball is worse at 1-4. So as bad as the MAC is, we’re next to last. The last 2 years we were 5-2 and 4-3 at this juncture. Including the MAC tourney we finished 20-13 and 19-14. Is this what we expect for Ohio basketball? I expect us to get better and make the MAC tourney, but we have a very long wa to go.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 8:46:37 AM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



It's pretty clear Boals wants Clayton, AJB and even Hadaway firing it from beyond the arc whenever they want. For better or worse, this is the style he has chosen for this team. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Boals promised Clayton he could showcase his perimeter shooting as a means of keeping him this year.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 9:07:36 AM 
SBH wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



It's pretty clear Boals wants Clayton, AJB and even Hadaway firing it from beyond the arc whenever they want. For better or worse, this is the style he has chosen for this team. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Boals promised Clayton he could showcase his perimeter shooting as a means of keeping him this year.


This. At the end of the day, this is Boals ball and his roster. It's position-less with a heavy emphasis on 3PT shooting. Like SBH said, for better or worse.

I tend to lean towards the latter, since it's glaring we need guys in the paint who aren't the prototypical Boals player. Even Kuany and Evans who have size, also have the ability hit the 3. I'm not sure Boals is looking at a kid at this point if he can't to some extent.

Just look at our recruiting tab on here. There's only two total "bigs" on the first page we offered for 2025 in Scantlebury and Alan Gballou. Our current class consists of more (bigger) wings/guards. Mosley is the closest thing to potential post player by default given he's 6'7. That's it. Doesn't exactly solve anything for next season.

It's not an NIL issue, this how Boals prefers to build his roster. The Myles Fosters of the portal world cost a premium, but we don't need that. We need guys who man the paint, crash boards, and can be disruptive on defense. A slash of 5-6ppg, 5-8rpg, and 1-2bpg. You know why that doesn't cost $200K? Because that's currently our old friend Seth Towns. 6ppg/7rpg/1.5bpg.

Players with this skill-set are littered throughout the landscape from HS, JUCO, D2, and D3. I really just don't think Boals is looking at them because it's not his style. It's almost like he's trying to outsmart the basketball world with his position-less preference and 3pt shooting, while neglecting rebounding and physical play.

It reminds me a lot of Bengals and how Zac Taylor has built his team. The Bengals have been dubbed as a Pac12 team trying to play in Big10. All Finesse and no physicality. That's pretty much our brand of basketball.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 9:19:37 AM 
SBH wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



It's pretty clear Boals wants Clayton, AJB and even Hadaway firing it from beyond the arc whenever they want. For better or worse, this is the style he has chosen for this team. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Boals promised Clayton he could showcase his perimeter shooting as a means of keeping him this year.


I'm sympathetic to it, largely because shooting should be the team's strength. And, I suspect, it will ultimately end up being our strength. We started out shooting poorly last year too as a result of some of our higher volume shooters (namely Hunter) shooting much worse than his career rate early in the season.

This is our rotation (career 3P%/this year):

Clayton -- 36%/29.3%
AJB -- 35.7/37.5%
Pavs -- 39%/28.6%
EJ4 -- 36.8%/45.8%
Sheldon -- 42.4%/40.7%

You've also got Reef and Hadaway whose numbers aren't stellar, but can hit open looks, and Elliot who take threes even if he probably shouldn't a ton (sample size of course, but he's had some bad looking misses that make me question the shooting touch):

Reef -- 30.9%/20%
Hadaway -- 30%/28%
Elliot -- 0%/0%


If there's something we could be elite at, it's that.

I do think Clayton should definitely be facing his man up and trying to drive on him way more (what's the point of an athletic small ball big otherwise?), and I'd like to see more touches for him at the elbow to collapse the defense.

But I also get why Boals is leaning three point shooting heavy. If it's true that a serviceable big in the portal's just out of our price range, what other choice is there but to go small and try and outshoot teams?
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 9:30:56 AM 
We lost this game to a smaller, scrappier, harder working team. PERIOD!
Live by the 3 die by the 3. PERIOD!




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   Posted: 11/25/2024 9:50:34 AM 
On the subject of rebounding there are a couple of things that come to mind from my basketball days that I am wondering are even a thing nowadays.:

1.) “Following your shot”. Is this something that is stressed at all now or has it lost out to being in position to strike the best pose after a make?
2.) “Boxing out aggressively so that ones backside maintains physical contact with the opposing player”.

I remember being reminded of these two things probably more than anything else during practice back in the day. Really I don’t see this happening for most teams but IMHO we definitely need to put these into practice. Is there a concern about “getting burned” on the other end?

Curious to hear from anyone who knows more about this than I do. I’m sure there are many here. :)
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:03:28 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
It's easy to be frustrated and hate the team right now but it's an overreaction to question if this Ohio will even make it to Cleveland.

The MAC is horrible. This is still going to be an above .500 squad that should finish in the top four and have a shot.

The MAC Tournament shouldn't be the only thing that matters. I expect more out of the non-conference portion but being doom and gloom in November isn't a smart thought process. Ohio was 9-10 last year and 9-9 the year before and finished with 20 and 19 wins respectively.

Overreacting at this point of the season shows a lack of basketball IQ.

This team has issues. They'll fix some of them and they'll have to learn to battle through other problems. Boals has a history at Ohio of his teams improving as the season goes on. We'll see if that trend continues this year.


Sorry, I’m not really a basketball guy so you’re right I have no basketball IQ. But hear me out here, right now we are next to last in the “horrible” MAC with a 2-5 record, only Ball is worse at 1-4. So as bad as the MAC is, we’re next to last. The last 2 years we were 5-2 and 4-3 at this juncture. Including the MAC tourney we finished 20-13 and 19-14. Is this what we expect for Ohio basketball? I expect us to get better and make the MAC tourney, but we have a very long wa to go.


Yet Ohio is the 4th ranked team in KenPom in the MAC because they have tested themselves against similar competition while many MAC teams schedule cupcakes. Ohio is 178th in KenPom and there's eight MAC teams below 200.

That's obviously not the expectation for this team and we shouldn't be content with it but we should also realize we're a mid-major and we're not always going to live up to our expectations. I thought this could be a Top 100 team before the season as did many coaches and experts but they're clearly not.

As you get more evidence, you need to adjust your expectations. This will be a good team in the MAC but they're not going to be a top tier mid-major.

They'll be fine and people that pay attention to the metrics realize that. At one point last year, OU lost 7 of 9 games during the middle of the season and people were complaining... Guess what? The metrics said they were going to be solid in the MAC and they were. It's going to be a similar case this year.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:14:03 AM 
I think that it is hard for us older folks to take any solace in the fact that the MAC is awful and thus we can stl win games. There was a time when we had some national pride. The fact that it is in decline just makes it that much harder for us to ever be good again. I don't judge a season by if we get blown out by a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament because the rules demand that every crappy conference tournament champion be in the field. I'd rather see us be a team that does things like take beat ranked teams in or out of the tournament. We were that just a few years ago. I'd rather be sitting at home than suffer the humiliation of seeing OHIO on the chests if a team in the play-in game. If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:15:38 AM 
FJC31 wrote:
SBH wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



It's pretty clear Boals wants Clayton, AJB and even Hadaway firing it from beyond the arc whenever they want. For better or worse, this is the style he has chosen for this team. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Boals promised Clayton he could showcase his perimeter shooting as a means of keeping him this year.


This. At the end of the day, this is Boals ball and his roster. It's position-less with a heavy emphasis on 3PT shooting. Like SBH said, for better or worse.

I tend to lean towards the latter, since it's glaring we need guys in the paint who aren't the prototypical Boals player. Even Kuany and Evans who have size, also have the ability hit the 3. I'm not sure Boals is looking at a kid at this point if he can't to some extent.

Just look at our recruiting tab on here. There's only two total "bigs" on the first page we offered for 2025 in Scantlebury and Alan Gballou. Our current class consists of more (bigger) wings/guards. Mosley is the closest thing to potential post player by default given he's 6'7. That's it. Doesn't exactly solve anything for next season.

It's not an NIL issue, this how Boals prefers to build his roster. The Myles Fosters of the portal world cost a premium, but we don't need that. We need guys who man the paint, crash boards, and can be disruptive on defense. A slash of 5-6ppg, 5-8rpg, and 1-2bpg. You know why that doesn't cost $200K? Because that's currently our old friend Seth Towns. 6ppg/7rpg/1.5bpg.

Players with this skill-set are littered throughout the landscape from HS, JUCO, D2, and D3. I really just don't think Boals is looking at them because it's not his style. It's almost like he's trying to outsmart the basketball world with his position-less preference and 3pt shooting, while neglecting rebounding and physical play.

It reminds me a lot of Bengals and how Zac Taylor has built his team. The Bengals have been dubbed as a Pac12 team trying to play in Big10. All Finesse and no physicality. That's pretty much our brand of basketball.


I agree that Boals should target scrappy, athletic bigs that can rebound and creat havoc even if they can't score. I'm disappointed that we've lacked those type of players on the roster. Just adding one guy like that could make a difference.

I don't have an issue with Boals coaching philosophy. He's won a lot of games at the D1 level and a lot of schools have implemented similar strategies. On paper, it looked like it could be successful this year.

Positionless basketball is something a lot of good mid-majors have done in recent years. In theory, stacking up on guards and shooters is a good thing at this level but they need to shoot better than what they're doing.

If you can't hit your open threes, you're gonna be in for a lot of long nights when you can't defend or rebound. Another issue is that you can get by with a lack of size if you can pressure and create turnovers which Ohio can do at times but not nearly enough on a consistent basis.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:26:13 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
SBH wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



It's pretty clear Boals wants Clayton, AJB and even Hadaway firing it from beyond the arc whenever they want. For better or worse, this is the style he has chosen for this team. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Boals promised Clayton he could showcase his perimeter shooting as a means of keeping him this year.


I'm sympathetic to it, largely because shooting should be the team's strength. And, I suspect, it will ultimately end up being our strength. We started out shooting poorly last year too as a result of some of our higher volume shooters (namely Hunter) shooting much worse than his career rate early in the season.

This is our rotation (career 3P%/this year):

Clayton -- 36%/29.3%
AJB -- 35.7/37.5%
Pavs -- 39%/28.6%
EJ4 -- 36.8%/45.8%
Sheldon -- 42.4%/40.7%

You've also got Reef and Hadaway whose numbers aren't stellar, but can hit open looks, and Elliot who take threes even if he probably shouldn't a ton (sample size of course, but he's had some bad looking misses that make me question the shooting touch):

Reef -- 30.9%/20%
Hadaway -- 30%/28%
Elliot -- 0%/0%


If there's something we could be elite at, it's that.

I do think Clayton should definitely be facing his man up and trying to drive on him way more (what's the point of an athletic small ball big otherwise?), and I'd like to see more touches for him at the elbow to collapse the defense.

But I also get why Boals is leaning three point shooting heavy. If it's true that a serviceable big in the portal's just out of our price range, what other choice is there but to go small and try and outshoot teams?


This is definitely a big part of his strategy. The 3-point shot has completely changed the basketball world over the past decade. NBA teams are jacking up more threes than ever before and you’re seeing it at the college level as well. Several coaches have the belief that if theycan’t get the size to matchup with bigger teams, we’ll just outshoot them. I do think Clayton, Hadaway, Searles have the ability to generate offense in the paint against MAC competition but will struggle at times against better opponents.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:26:25 AM 
CatsUp wrote:
On the subject of rebounding there are a couple of things that come to mind from my basketball days that I am wondering are even a thing nowadays.:

1.) “Following your shot”. Is this something that is stressed at all now or has it lost out to being in position to strike the best pose after a make?
2.) “Boxing out aggressively so that ones backside maintains physical contact with the opposing player”.

I remember being reminded of these two things probably more than anything else during practice back in the day. Really I don’t see this happening for most teams but IMHO we definitely need to put these into practice. Is there a concern about “getting burned” on the other end?

Curious to hear from anyone who knows more about this than I do. I’m sure there are many here. :)


On your first point, you are correct in saying that follow your shot is not really taught anymore, especially at the college and professional levels and probably most high school programs. For the exact reason you mentioned later in your post. The risk of getting burned in transition. Most coaches want 2-3 players starting to get back in transition right away after a shot (some more, some less depending on how aggressive the coach is in their rebounding/transition defense thinking), and the easiest way to do this is for the shooter and one or two players to consistently get back. The thinking is that a non-shooting player that can start crashing as the ball is shot is more likely to get an offensive rebound than the shooter that has to land and then build momentum towards the ball. As with any strategy, it doesn't always play out that way, but the thinking is that doing this consistently is the most efficient rebounding/transition defense strategy. And usually the more conservative strategy is employed more often when you play with more guards that aren't going to get many offensive rebounds over big guys that can go get offensive rebounds. In my opinion that is clearly the case with us, because we have fewer guys who could end up with the O-board, we probably opt to get back on defense to protect against easy buckets in transition.

On your second point, yeah it is important to box out. But when you play two big guys that are less athletic, shorter, and not as strong as other teams, along with having two small guards on the court at all times, you can box out however much you want. Sometimes you are going to get out sized to rebounds. I feel like that is the bigger issue with this team. We just don't have the size, length and athleticism to rebound with the teams we've competed with so far. It's not an effort issue, it's a style of play issue. As many others have stated, Boals has clearly chosen to play with more guards and shooting vs athleticism and size. That can benefit you in some ways, but is clearly hurting us in the rebounding battle on both ends. (This is my opinion, I'll be the first to admit I don't spend every possession making sure all 5 guys on the floor are boxing out, so it could be partially and effor issue, I just think size is the bigger issue).
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:28:56 AM 
SBH wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Newsflash… Clayton is not a five. If he hit four out of 12 three point shots that is 12 points that would require somebody shooting a 50% from twos. I doubt that is happening ever. The issue is that we didn’t go out and get what we needed a good big and a couple good wings.


He's Kenny Kaminski all over again. Hang around the 3-point arc and wants nothing to do with the dirty work in the paint. Which I guess is how we ended up with him. That stuff is not accepted at Michigan St.



It's pretty clear Boals wants Clayton, AJB and even Hadaway firing it from beyond the arc whenever they want. For better or worse, this is the style he has chosen for this team. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Boals promised Clayton he could showcase his perimeter shooting as a means of keeping him this year.


That is very possible. But what about playing defense & rebounding? Maybe he was exempted from those to keep him from leaving.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:30:59 AM 
Victory wrote:
I think that it is hard for us older folks to take any solace in the fact that the MAC is awful and thus we can stl win games. There was a time when we had some national pride. The fact that it is in decline just makes it that much harder for us to ever be good again. I don't judge a season by if we get blown out by a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament because the rules demand that every crappy conference tournament champion be in the field. I'd rather see us be a team that does things like take beat ranked teams in or out of the tournament. We were that just a few years ago. I'd rather be sitting at home than suffer the humiliation of seeing OHIO on the chests if a team in the play-in game. If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.


Ohio has been a Top 150 KenPom team the past two years. They’re still battling and competing and were 81st the year they defeated Virginia in the NCAA Tournament. They’ve rarely been a Top 100 team during the past decade.

This is what we are as a program now. A consistently solid MAC school that hopes to make a run in Cleveland every year. Once in a while, we put together a special roster that has the upside of being a little bit better but the rest is fairy tales for the most part. The MAC had some good years when UB was rolling and now the league is struggling again. I doubt we’ll see it return to the heights of the 90’s anytime soon.

OU is still a solid mid-major program and fun to watch. Just a difficult start to the season.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:50:10 AM 
FormerMember wrote:
Victory wrote:
I think that it is hard for us older folks to take any solace in the fact that the MAC is awful and thus we can stl win games. There was a time when we had some national pride. The fact that it is in decline just makes it that much harder for us to ever be good again. I don't judge a season by if we get blown out by a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament because the rules demand that every crappy conference tournament champion be in the field. I'd rather see us be a team that does things like take beat ranked teams in or out of the tournament. We were that just a few years ago. I'd rather be sitting at home than suffer the humiliation of seeing OHIO on the chests if a team in the play-in game. If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.


Ohio has been a Top 150 KenPom team the past two years. They’re still battling and competing and were 81st when the year they defeated Virginia in the NCAA Tournament. They’ve rarely been a Top 100 team during the past decade.

This is what we are as a program now. A consistently solid MAC school that hopes to make a run in Cleveland every year. Once in a while, we put together a special roster that has the upside of being a little bit better but the rest is fairy tales for the most part. The MAC had some good years when UB was rolling and now the league is struggling again. I doubt we’ll see it return to the heights of the 90’s anytime soon.

OU is still a solid mid-major program and fun to watch. Just a difficult start to the season.


Yep, exactly. And if the MAC wants their basketball programs to be more than that, they either need to magically find a bunch of money, or think hard about whether or not it can afford to financially support both basketball and football at the highest level.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 10:53:21 AM 
FormerMember wrote:
Victory wrote:
I think that it is hard for us older folks to take any solace in the fact that the MAC is awful and thus we can stl win games. There was a time when we had some national pride. The fact that it is in decline just makes it that much harder for us to ever be good again. I don't judge a season by if we get blown out by a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament because the rules demand that every crappy conference tournament champion be in the field. I'd rather see us be a team that does things like take beat ranked teams in or out of the tournament. We were that just a few years ago. I'd rather be sitting at home than suffer the humiliation of seeing OHIO on the chests if a team in the play-in game. If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.


Ohio has been a Top 150 KenPom team the past two years. They’re still battling and competing and were 81st when the year they defeated Virginia in the NCAA Tournament. They’ve rarely been a Top 100 team during the past decade.

This is what we are as a program now. A consistently solid MAC school that hopes to make a run in Cleveland every year. Once in a while, we put together a special roster that has the upside of being a little bit better but the rest is fairy tales for the most part. The MAC had some good years when UB was rolling and now the league is struggling again. I doubt we’ll see it return to the heights of the 90’s anytime soon.

OU is still a solid mid-major program and fun to watch. Just a difficult start to the season.


I can handle being 81st and in the tournament. I would rather sit home than be 181st and in the tournament. That's just feels like being patronized. I don't think we are going to end up 181st. We'll figure some things out. But I can't accept this, "at least the MAC is awful now talk". I'd much rather be the 81st best team and finish last than the 181st team and finish first. The former would be better for our long term prospects. I get, "The MAC is awful so we might still win" type of talk but not the, "at least the MAC is awful" talk.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 11:01:25 AM 
Victory wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
Victory wrote:
I think that it is hard for us older folks to take any solace in the fact that the MAC is awful and thus we can stl win games. There was a time when we had some national pride. The fact that it is in decline just makes it that much harder for us to ever be good again. I don't judge a season by if we get blown out by a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament because the rules demand that every crappy conference tournament champion be in the field. I'd rather see us be a team that does things like take beat ranked teams in or out of the tournament. We were that just a few years ago. I'd rather be sitting at home than suffer the humiliation of seeing OHIO on the chests if a team in the play-in game. If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.


Ohio has been a Top 150 KenPom team the past two years. They’re still battling and competing and were 81st when the year they defeated Virginia in the NCAA Tournament. They’ve rarely been a Top 100 team during the past decade.

This is what we are as a program now. A consistently solid MAC school that hopes to make a run in Cleveland every year. Once in a while, we put together a special roster that has the upside of being a little bit better but the rest is fairy tales for the most part. The MAC had some good years when UB was rolling and now the league is struggling again. I doubt we’ll see it return to the heights of the 90’s anytime soon.

OU is still a solid mid-major program and fun to watch. Just a difficult start to the season.


I can handle being 81st and in the tournament. I would rather sit home than be 181st and in the tournament. That's just feels like being patronized. I don't think we are going to end up 181st. We'll figure some things out. But I can't accept this, "at least the MAC is awful now talk". I'd much rather be the 81st best team and finish last than the 181st team and finish first. The former would be better for our long term prospects. I get, "The MAC is awful so we might still win" type of talk but not the, "at least the MAC is awful" talk.


I’m with you on all of that. I still believe that this team will end up close to the past two years overall. If they remain where they’re currently at, that’ll be aggravating for sure but I do believe they’ll eventually start moving in the right direction.

A good question for several of you on this board would be… Would you rather be 7-0 with a schedule full of cupcakes where you learn nothing about your team and make little improvement or would you rather challenge yourself, knowing it might not go the way you want early in the season?

Because the results are bad right now but let’s not act like this is the same as scheduling Morgan State and Marietta. Ohio will learn and improve as a result of these performances.

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   Posted: 11/25/2024 11:04:29 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Save the "But the transfer portal...." nonsense - every team in this event is basically in the same boat.


Well, that worked great. We finished 6th in an event where every team is battling the same transfer portal issues. Illinois State and James Madison have the same issues. At some point, you can't use this excuse.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 11:21:06 AM 
CatsUp wrote:
On the subject of rebounding there are a couple of things that come to mind from my basketball days that I am wondering are even a thing nowadays.:

1.) “Following your shot”. Is this something that is stressed at all now or has it lost out to being in position to strike the best pose after a make?
2.) “Boxing out aggressively so that ones backside maintains physical contact with the opposing


When you have 3 guys under 6 foot on the court at the same time it doesn't matter how well you box out.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 11:59:41 AM 
I am all right with Boals offensive strategy. Most of our guys can shoot about 30 to 33% on threes. What I disagree with totally is his defensive strategy. We all know the game has become a three-point shooting contest. Yet we continue to have five guys in the lane doubling and tripling and leave wide open shooters at the arc. Against us, these wide open shooters are hitting their threes. Also, the concept of rebounding. We need a big banger who can rebound and protect the lane. Then we wouldn’t have to do all this double on triple teaming in the lane.
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   Posted: 11/25/2024 12:24:49 PM 
Maybe he needs to speed up his rotations. As they get tired, their defensive intensity, rebounding & shooting % drop off.

Last Edited: 11/25/2024 12:50:06 PM by SBH
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