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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/15/2022 8:42:02 AM 

Some welcome news.
https://www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/new-season-our-university


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/15/2022 10:32:24 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Some welcome news.
https://www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/new-season-our-university


Three cheers for President Sherman! I think he's doing a very good job -- right man at the right time. I'm personally not surprised at this development.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/16/2022 10:27:05 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Some welcome news.
https://www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/new-season-our-university


Three cheers for President Sherman! I think he's doing a very good job -- right man at the right time. I'm personally not surprised at this development.


The most surprising out of what was listed in the accomplishments was enrollment numbers. The projection that it will be the biggest class since 2018 which was 3,980 and larger than the 2019 class of 3,671 according to this article places the Athens freshman class right around historical norms in terms of size. The dire predictions made two years ago of an Athens campus undergraduate enrollment of 12,500 don't look to be happening. 14,200 of last year was likely the bottom.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-sees-further-en...


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/16/2022 10:41:01 AM 
A fairly highly placed insider told me that there is no way to adequately convey what a cluster#$*@ Nellis was. They said the university was in absolute freefall. Sherman was the right choice. I hope he stays beyond his current projected tenure.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/16/2022 10:52:23 AM 
SBH wrote:
A fairly highly placed insider told me that there is no way to adequately convey what a cluster#$*@ Nellis was. They said the university was in absolute freefall. Sherman was the right choice. I hope he stays beyond his current projected tenure.


Well, at least this time, your sources and mine agree, though my sources didn't use the colorful language that yours did. Having Nellis as president was kind of like having someone in that position with the personality of Gomer Pyle but about half the brains. I agree, I hope Sherman will have his contract extended to a longer term.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/16/2022 1:26:53 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
SBH wrote:
A fairly highly placed insider told me that there is no way to adequately convey what a cluster#$*@ Nellis was. They said the university was in absolute freefall. Sherman was the right choice. I hope he stays beyond his current projected tenure.


Well, at least this time, your sources and mine agree, though my sources didn't use the colorful language that yours did. Having Nellis as president was kind of like having someone in that position with the personality of Gomer Pyle but about half the brains. I agree, I hope Sherman will have his contract extended to a longer term.



Thank you for your insight and humor Ohio Cat Fan. I appreciate both. Rarely does this board agree on much, but apparently we can agree that President Sherman is needed and his stay needs to be longer in duration that what his initialy contract stated. My one interaction with him via an e-mail about an academic matter that I felt he should be made of was recieved very well by him. He personally got back to me and thanked me for relaying the info, which I wasn't expecting.

It never ceases to amaze me how people like President Nellis get hired. Then again, I have sat on hiring committes where some of looked at each other as to how did this person got the job they have, let alone seeking a promotion only to be told by some on the committe, "Wasn't he wonderful, let's hire him." You can't make this stuff up. Thankfully, it seems our ship has been righted and calmer seas appear to be on the horizon.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/16/2022 4:17:13 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Some welcome news.
https://www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/new-season-our-university


Three cheers for President Sherman! I think he's doing a very good job -- right man at the right time. I'm personally not surprised at this development.


The most surprising out of what was listed in the accomplishments was enrollment numbers. The projection that it will be the biggest class since 2018 which was 3,980 and larger than the 2019 class of 3,671 according to this article places the Athens freshman class right around historical norms in terms of size. The dire predictions made two years ago of an Athens campus undergraduate enrollment of 12,500 don't look to be happening. 14,200 of last year was likely the bottom.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-sees-further-en...



Well, not surprising that dire predictions were made on here which is par for the course for so many BAers at first sign of adversity. I could dig up the comments from some of our most prolific posters speculating that the whole university as we know it was going down the drain. There's still plenty of work to be done, but in my opinion it's important for people to understand that this ship not only wasn't going down, it wasn't magically rescued in the last nine months. As much as I like Sherman, the hard decisions for financial recovery and the enrollment rebound started under Nellis, Deb Shafer and their hard-working staff whether you like them or not.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/16/2022 10:53:21 PM 
GroverBall: Let me point out that I was not one making dire predictions. Also, however, I do not give Nellie as much credit as you do. I had personal interactions with the man, and I don’t think that he was “presidential material.” I don’t think he provided good leadership. Though this can’t be proven, I personally think that we would have weathered this particular storm with less damage had we had a president like Bob Glidden or Charlie Ping at the helm rather than Nellis, whose decision making reminded me a lot of Claude Sowle, who I always characterized as making the worst out of a bad situation.

Last Edited: 3/17/2022 10:29:46 AM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/16/2022 11:40:40 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Some welcome news.
https://www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/new-season-our-university


Three cheers for President Sherman! I think he's doing a very good job -- right man at the right time. I'm personally not surprised at this development.


The most surprising out of what was listed in the accomplishments was enrollment numbers. The projection that it will be the biggest class since 2018 which was 3,980 and larger than the 2019 class of 3,671 according to this article places the Athens freshman class right around historical norms in terms of size. The dire predictions made two years ago of an Athens campus undergraduate enrollment of 12,500 don't look to be happening. 14,200 of last year was likely the bottom.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-sees-further-en...



Well, not surprising that dire predictions were made on here which is par for the course for so many BAers at first sign of adversity. I could dig up the comments from some of our most prolific posters speculating that the whole university as we know it was going down the drain. There's still plenty of work to be done, but in my opinion it's important for people to understand that this ship not only wasn't going down, it wasn't magically rescued in the last nine months. As much as I like Sherman, the hard decisions for financial recovery and the enrollment rebound started under Nellis, Deb Shafer and their hard-working staff whether you like them or not.


The 12,500 projection by 23-24' was actually in presentations to the Ohio Board of Trustees back in the summer of 2020.

Last years class showed strong improvement as the new marketing strategies were taking hold and of course this one even better than before.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/17/2022 10:21:55 AM 
GroverBall wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Some welcome news.
https://www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/new-season-our-university


Three cheers for President Sherman! I think he's doing a very good job -- right man at the right time. I'm personally not surprised at this development.


The most surprising out of what was listed in the accomplishments was enrollment numbers. The projection that it will be the biggest class since 2018 which was 3,980 and larger than the 2019 class of 3,671 according to this article places the Athens freshman class right around historical norms in terms of size. The dire predictions made two years ago of an Athens campus undergraduate enrollment of 12,500 don't look to be happening. 14,200 of last year was likely the bottom.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-sees-further-en...



Well, not surprising that dire predictions were made on here which is par for the course for so many BAers at first sign of adversity. I could dig up the comments from some of our most prolific posters speculating that the whole university as we know it was going down the drain. There's still plenty of work to be done, but in my opinion it's important for people to understand that this ship not only wasn't going down, it wasn't magically rescued in the last nine months. As much as I like Sherman, the hard decisions for financial recovery and the enrollment rebound started under Nellis, Deb Shafer and their hard-working staff whether you like them or not.


Collecting Millions in Covid monies did not hurt the recovery!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/17/2022 10:22:48 AM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
GroverBall wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Some welcome news.
https://www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/new-season-our-university


Three cheers for President Sherman! I think he's doing a very good job -- right man at the right time. I'm personally not surprised at this development.


The most surprising out of what was listed in the accomplishments was enrollment numbers. The projection that it will be the biggest class since 2018 which was 3,980 and larger than the 2019 class of 3,671 according to this article places the Athens freshman class right around historical norms in terms of size. The dire predictions made two years ago of an Athens campus undergraduate enrollment of 12,500 don't look to be happening. 14,200 of last year was likely the bottom.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-sees-further-en...



Well, not surprising that dire predictions were made on here which is par for the course for so many BAers at first sign of adversity. I could dig up the comments from some of our most prolific posters speculating that the whole university as we know it was going down the drain. There's still plenty of work to be done, but in my opinion it's important for people to understand that this ship not only wasn't going down, it wasn't magically rescued in the last nine months. As much as I like Sherman, the hard decisions for financial recovery and the enrollment rebound started under Nellis, Deb Shafer and their hard-working staff whether you like them or not.


The 12,500 projection by 23-24' was actually in presentations to the Ohio Board of Trustees back in the summer of 2020.

Last years class showed strong improvement as the new marketing strategies were taking hold and of course this one even better than before.



Exactly, what this board was talking about was the Universities OWN projections.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/17/2022 7:21:37 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
GroverBall: Let me point out that I was not one making dire predictions. Also, however, I do not give Nellie as much credit as you do. I had personal interactions with the man, and I don’t think that he was “presidential material.” I don’t think he provided good leadership. Though this can’t be proven, I personally think that we would have weathered this particular storm with less damage had we had a president like Bob Glidden or Charlie Ping at the helm rather than Nellis, whose decision making reminded me a lot of Claude Sowle, who I always characterized as making the worst out of a bad situation.


Have to disagree a little bit on Ping. He's the guy whose animosity towards Ohio State ran so deep that he chose not to join with them and try to move Ohio to selective admissions at the same time in the mid 80s along with fundamentally restructuring the system. (In fairness, there might have been a ton of lingering bad blood on the OSU side from the 60s that would have prevented that in any event, but he could have went it alone). At the end of the day, they had a half-decade head start on us, and that pretty much led to game over for Miami and Ohio matching them in selectivity ever again.

In my mind, the two huge strategic errors that hamstringed Ohio on a generational level were Alden not realizing that Miami and Millett were going to stab him in the back in the 60s, and Ping not moving Ohio to selective admissions the first moment that it became politically feasible to do so.

Now back to the original link, that's really great news. Aside from the enrollment numbers, the fundraising and endowment numbers are really strong. I think that puts our endowment about +200M on Miami and above them when considering it on a $$/student ratio.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/17/2022 7:52:04 PM 
On the move to "selective admissions" initially all that means is a university has made the decision that it will no longer have pure open admissions. OCF has said that it was during the time of President Alden Ohio officially moved from open admissions to selective admissions.

OSU moved from open to selective in the 1980's however OU was more difficult to gain admission to until 2002 and Miami for another 10 years after that. OSU though all along always had a larger group of students who were 30+ types on the ACT. To this day its not particularly difficult to get into OSU because of the sheer freshman class size. Cincinnati has come out of nowhere to go selective the last 30 years which has been as much of a factor against OU as the OSU selectivity rise.

At least this is my interpretation after studying this for 30 years starting from the old college guides like Barron's. The way those guides organized information it was much easier to tell what majors were offered and the general level of university that assigning one a ranking of #151 and other #181 in the USNWR doesn't indicate.


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   Posted: 3/18/2022 10:12:10 AM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
On the move to "selective admissions" initially all that means is a university has made the decision that it will no longer have pure open admissions. OCF has said that it was during the time of President Alden Ohio officially moved from open admissions to selective admissions.

OSU moved from open to selective in the 1980's however OU was more difficult to gain admission to until 2002 and Miami for another 10 years after that. OSU though all along always had a larger group of students who were 30+ types on the ACT. To this day its not particularly difficult to get into OSU because of the sheer freshman class size. Cincinnati has come out of nowhere to go selective the last 30 years which has been as much of a factor against OU as the OSU selectivity rise.

At least this is my interpretation after studying this for 30 years starting from the old college guides like Barron's. The way those guides organized information it was much easier to tell what majors were offered and the general level of university that assigning one a ranking of #151 and other #181 in the USNWR doesn't indicate.


Alden never moved Ohio to selective admissions. He planned to, but Millett (Board of Regents chair and former Miami President) wouldn't let him. In reality, no Ohio public was ever officially selective in the 60s. OSU had plans to tighten up admissions along with other B10 schools, but that was derailed by Rhodes and Millett. Miami wasn't forced to build enough dorm space to accommodate the baby boom application surge, so they Millett essentially let them backdoor their way into it. Everyone else was forced to build the dorms.

Ohio did not move to selective admissions until the early 90s. Trust me, I was working in the state Senate on higher ed issues at the time. A Miami trustee came to my boss on the quiet and tried to get him to both block Ohio's move and roll back OSU's. He said that Miami had been made the "Honors Campus" of the system. I had to spend an entire weekend researching that b.s. to find out that no Regent Chair, Governor or legislative act had ever designated Miami as any type of "honors campus," specifically selective college or anything distinct from the other "Four Corners" campus. The only actions by the state in that regard related to OSU.

As for OSU vs Miami. OSU had caught up with Miami by the mid to late 90s and definitively passed them by in the mid-00s. Sometimes common perception (and college catalogs) lags behind the changes in reality. I know that plenty in Ohio would still be shocked if told the admissions gap between OSU and Miami. I don't know what the stats are on OSU currently, but I've been told that among B10 schools they're among the group right behind Michigan (Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota) and harder to get into than some schools like Texas, Washington and a lot of the U of California campuses (not Berkeley or UCLA obviously).

The UC thing is pretty wild. I told a Miami alum that they better stop worrying about OSU and take a look in their rear view mirror at UC. He laughed, so I sent him the hard data, and he still refused to believe it.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/18/2022 3:49:07 PM 
I do enjoy reading all of this historical material. It helps me understand the nuance of where we and others are with regard to decisions made in the past. With regard to perception, leaving out the whole party school image, in the 80s and 90s, it seemed the scuttlebut was our prowess in the Communications field, especially as it pertained to Journalism. We had some key players at NBC, CBS and later Fox that helped students get into those networks. With the arrival of the internet and the slow demise of print and legacy media, the bloom was off the rose.

On the anecdotal side, increasingly I hear about our medical college and the success it has achieved. It seems that's our claim to fame now when I hear other parents talk about what they hear regarding university reputations. However, UC is really a driving force in the world of public education. Before Covid, many parents considering Ohio State were grumbling about their kid being shipped off to Marion or some other branch campus. When Covid hit some kids went to Columbus State for a year. Now that we are getting back to normal UC continues their rise. Their ascent in the last 10 years has been something for others to ponder. The whole apprenticeship/job guarentee thing is a real selling point.

I am certainly glad we have President Sherman because we do have a lot to offer, but we certainly face some tough competition. On the flip side, Akron and some other schools are in a world of hurt. Talk about being behind the 8 Ball. It doesn't seem that they have many positive options.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ohio six year capital improvement plan (FY21-26)
   Posted: 3/18/2022 10:41:45 PM 
OUPride, Et al:

I think all this depends on how you define "selective admissions." The quote from me that Club Hyatt is remembering, I think, was the statement I made is post once that when I was working on my MA at the Big Farm (aka OSU) in the 1968-69 academic year that one of my professors said that he was upset that OSU was saddled with having to accept every student that graduated from any Ohio high school and that Ohio and Miami didn't. I have never researched this issue as thoroughly as some on this board, so I didn't mean to suggest that that was a definitive statement, just that that was what I was told at the time. And, I had heard this kind of thing from other people as well, but the professor's statement was the one that stuck out because he seemed to be in a position to know. I also remember at that time when I reported that professor's statement to my father-in-law, who wrote a weekly newsletter dealing with state government, he said that if Ohio was having selective admissions that we were in violation of state law. So, the bottom line is the there was at least a wide-spread rumor at that point that Ohio was practicing more selective admissions than the junior institution in Cowtown.


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   Posted: 3/19/2022 1:49:33 PM 
Here's where UC and Miami stand respectively by the way.

Acceptance Rate/Middle 50% SAT/Middle 50% ACT
Miami: 80%/1190-1390/25-30
UC: 77%/1120-1350/23-29

I'm sure class rank numbers are out there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for them right now.

Still a small bit of a gap, but pretty much anyone who goes to UC could have gone to Miami had they wanted to.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/miami-university /
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   Posted: 3/20/2022 3:20:00 PM 
OUPride wrote:
Here's where UC and Miami stand respectively by the way.

Acceptance Rate/Middle 50% SAT/Middle 50% ACT
Miami: 80%/1190-1390/25-30
UC: 77%/1120-1350/23-29

I'm sure class rank numbers are out there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for them right now.

Still a small bit of a gap, but pretty much anyone who goes to UC could have gone to Miami had they wanted to.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/miami-university /


The admission percentiles at a larger university more leeway has to be factored in. For example with 6,000 students in the freshman class it leaves you with 1,500 students which fall below the bottom 25%.

This is why I'm saying OSU passing Miami as tougher to get into on absolute terms is relatively recent though OSU has momentum since the 80's on sheer class size. The data I last read had Miami's freshman GPA at 3.84 compared to OSU's GPA of 3.76 and Cincinnati's GPA of 3.71. Granted GPA for most students moves beyond a 4 point scale these days and boards are a better indicator. OSU has always focused more on the boards than GPA.

In the 90's USWNR had Miami as a Top 25 public, OSU as a Top 40 public and OU in the top 45. OSU is now ranked #17, Miami #46, UC is #67 and OU is #88 which is a big change from where it was 30 years ago.


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   Posted: 4/21/2022 4:53:21 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
I do enjoy reading all of this historical material. It helps me understand the nuance of where we and others are with regard to decisions made in the past. With regard to perception, leaving out the whole party school image, in the 80s and 90s, it seemed the scuttlebut was our prowess in the Communications field, especially as it pertained to Journalism. We had some key players at NBC, CBS and later Fox that helped students get into those networks. With the arrival of the internet and the slow demise of print and legacy media, the bloom was off the rose.


That is how it was in the decades before the internet the first thing people would mention about OU was the communication school (usually specifically journalism). The internet brought some bad press around the block parties that grew the party school rep more broadly across the state.

OU at one time was a great financial deal compared to private colleges. Then it became expensive and the OU Foundation had to grow to provide merit aid which it revamp following the fundraising campaign of McDavis.

Today the problem is offering enough value to attract the students. All of the focus from what I've seen is on price and upgrading buildings which is nice but not the complete reason someone selects a college.

I found an article on the Top 5 experiences for first year college that I thought would be worth sharing.

Elon University. Offers recreation and community services projects. 5 day program for thinking globally, acting locally.

Princeton. Small group experiences and tailoring activities around interests and majors.

Williams College. Focus on communication with first generation students to relay dates and information. First year advising academic program.

Butler. First year common reading program and Indianapolis community service requirement.

Yale. First year program has students arrive for 5 weeks and study along with a camping trip with games.

https://comevo.com/look-top-5-ranked-institutions-first-y... /

OU could offer more than what it does for students, charge a higher rate and then have more aggressive discounting on price as Miami does. The university should be offering a better experience than Miami and charging more with the eventual goal of passing Miami in the USNWR rankings by 2030.


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   Posted: 5/22/2022 8:28:26 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
The Dublin Center not only houses our programs, chiefly the Medical School, but also has a floor used by Columbus State which gives us more exposure. With the new shopping center and widened roads and roundabouts near there (including a Costco, Aldi, sports bar etc) we have great visibility with the increasing traffic to those places and the burgeoning residential areas. There was a fair amount of construction vehicles shortly before and after the onset of Covid, so I am not sure what needed work, but hopefully, we won't need any further work done for a while to help ease our tight budget.

I realize I sound like a broken record but the amount of postive feedback I hear from folks about the Dublin Campus, especially those in the medical profession is a complete trunaround from years past. I would hear ridiculous stories that our medical school was a political kickback orchestrated by former Congressman Clarence Miller, as well as crony alums on both sides of the statehouse aisle who ramroded the medical school through the powers that be. It was ridiculous and made no sense, but it made rounds of gossip and speculation. Now all you hear is positive news--doctors who think it would be a great place for their prospective medical students!



Yes, those rumors were ridiculous. Rep Miller was not an important player. It was the Ohio Osteopathic Association, key members of the Ohio legislatiure that they lobbied, Harry Crewson, and James Rhodes. One specific person who was very crucial -- was Harry Meshel, the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. George Dunnigan, the head lobbyist for the OOA, who at the time was listed in the Columns Dispatch as one of the top ten lobbyists in the state, was very effective at lining up the votes. There were many others, but those are a few of the key players.


Thanks for your personal insights Ohio Cat Fan, that was really helpful. I haven't heard those ridiculous stories in years, probably since our medical school added the Dublin and Cleveland campuses. We are certainly on the rise and as I mentioned some of those same people who were spreading those rumors years ago are now encouraging their kids and grandkids to attend our medical school. Now if we could only get an effective plan for the rest of the university to raise their stature, we would be in business.


Cbus Cat Fan: Another, perhaps bigger factor, among doctors is the vastly improved relations between allopathic and osteopathic medicine today. Much of what you heard from MD’s back in the early days of our medical school was misinformation based on deep-seat prejudice, which in turn was based on ignorance and misinformation. In our region, one of the purveyors of this prejudice was the Holzer family. They had allies statewide including the Ohio State Medical Association and the Ohio Board of Regents, to name but a few. It was a very difficult, uphill fight to create our College of Osteopathic Medicine. I believe that in addition to shrewd politics that Providence played a key role.


Agreed OCF. A few years ago my sister told me she would not allow herself to be treated by a DO (my guess is she probably had and didn't even know it). I sometimes think people get Osteopaths confused with chiropractors. In Ohio (and I assume in most other states) DOs face the exact same licensing requirements as MDs. At Dublin Methodist Hospial (a large Ohio Health operation) DOs and MDs work seamlessly side by side. I've experienced it first hand.
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   Posted: 5/23/2022 6:39:43 AM 
I have always went to DO’s. And honestly only had one who actually practiced like a DO and he was my favorite.
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   Posted: 6/17/2022 1:55:42 PM 
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During the Spring Semester, OU had the most students it has ever had on academic probation, Sherman said. The number of students who were on academic probation indicates to the university that it needs to invest more in its students' experiences this fall, Sherman said.

Sherman also said the total enrollment of students in the class of 2026 is about 4,400 to 4,500, which allows OU to enhance the student experience.

The key four areas OU plans to invest in next year include academic advising, tutoring, experiential learning and internships.

“We will double down on increasing the amount of academic advising that's available and the tutoring and supplemental instruction,” Sherman said. “In addition, we will continue to emphasize experiential opportunities for every student.”

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2022/06/ohio-univer...


Direct quote from the president that OU plans to increase academic advising to support students in the upcoming year. Worth noting that he said the total enrollment while obviously not final is projecting 4,400 to 4,500 for next year for the class of 2023. The class of 2019 was the record at 4,423 and I consider anything over 4,000 to be a robust class with 3,600 to 4,000 solid.

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2015/09/ohio-univer...


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