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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/5/2022 12:47:09 PM 
My parents live in the Villages. My dad recently had a stroke and the entire health system down there was fantastic. Can't remember the hospital he was at, but it was about twenty minutes from his house. The treatment he received was so good, he was back to playing softball within two weeks.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/6/2022 8:59:08 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Getting back to the original question, these are three things that could push Athens into another category of attractiveness:

1) An 18 hole golf course
2) Affordable quality senior housing
3) An expanded public transportation system.

I could add several more but when this town goes empty from May 1 to August 15, it's tough for independent restaurants and shops to make it. Real tough.


If there were these things and perhaps a really strong summer music scene. Could some out-of-state retirees be enticed?

Just wondering if the school year was exactly Sept-May and fancy dorm apartments had been built, could you persuade enough Floridians to escape the oppressive summer heat for a 3 month retirement rental in Athens? Students 9 months, fumigate and oldsters for three.



I think access to healthcare's such a key driver of retirement decisions that it seems hard to imagine Athens becoming a retirement destination. O'Bleness just doesn't cut it and Columbus is too far.


The savvy senior has that at the back of their mind when selecting retirement communities. There isn't enough to do for for a retired person. Its one thing to come down to Athens a couple of times a year for an event. Athens in my estimation would do better if they could develop an arts district around the ridges, attract a higher level hotel and bring more tourism dollars for that twice visit. Make it more attractive to parents of prospective students. A lot of older alums if they are going to go down to Athens won't stay anywhere below OU Inn caliber. There is a crowd that will go AirBnB if they have a dog. They don't want to take a road trip to stay in a Super 8.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/11/2022 12:51:01 PM 
Campus Flow wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Getting back to the original question, these are three things that could push Athens into another category of attractiveness:

1) An 18 hole golf course
2) Affordable quality senior housing
3) An expanded public transportation system.

I could add several more but when this town goes empty from May 1 to August 15, it's tough for independent restaurants and shops to make it. Real tough.


If there were these things and perhaps a really strong summer music scene. Could some out-of-state retirees be enticed?

Just wondering if the school year was exactly Sept-May and fancy dorm apartments had been built, could you persuade enough Floridians to escape the oppressive summer heat for a 3 month retirement rental in Athens? Students 9 months, fumigate and oldsters for three.



I think access to healthcare's such a key driver of retirement decisions that it seems hard to imagine Athens becoming a retirement destination. O'Bleness just doesn't cut it and Columbus is too far.


The savvy senior has that at the back of their mind when selecting retirement communities. There isn't enough to do for for a retired person. Its one thing to come down to Athens a couple of times a year for an event. Athens in my estimation would do better if they could develop an arts district around the ridges, attract a higher level hotel and bring more tourism dollars for that twice visit. Make it more attractive to parents of prospective students. A lot of older alums if they are going to go down to Athens won't stay anywhere below OU Inn caliber. There is a crowd that will go AirBnB if they have a dog. They don't want to take a road trip to stay in a Super 8.


Athens Central is decently nice. A bit overpriced.

I hear Morgantown has a glut of apartments compared to Athens. Anybody have a feeling about Athens vs Morgantown?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/11/2022 6:13:06 PM 
Campus Flow wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Getting back to the original question, these are three things that could push Athens into another category of attractiveness:

1) An 18 hole golf course
2) Affordable quality senior housing
3) An expanded public transportation system.

I could add several more but when this town goes empty from May 1 to August 15, it's tough for independent restaurants and shops to make it. Real tough.


If there were these things and perhaps a really strong summer music scene. Could some out-of-state retirees be enticed?

Just wondering if the school year was exactly Sept-May and fancy dorm apartments had been built, could you persuade enough Floridians to escape the oppressive summer heat for a 3 month retirement rental in Athens? Students 9 months, fumigate and oldsters for three.



I think access to healthcare's such a key driver of retirement decisions that it seems hard to imagine Athens becoming a retirement destination. O'Bleness just doesn't cut it and Columbus is too far.


The savvy senior has that at the back of their mind when selecting retirement communities. There isn't enough to do for for a retired person. Its one thing to come down to Athens a couple of times a year for an event. Athens in my estimation would do better if they could develop an arts district around the ridges, attract a higher level hotel and bring more tourism dollars for that twice visit. Make it more attractive to parents of prospective students. A lot of older alums if they are going to go down to Athens won't stay anywhere below OU Inn caliber. There is a crowd that will go AirBnB if they have a dog. They don't want to take a road trip to stay in a Super 8.


Having lived here for 43 years, there is more than enough to do. Yes, it would be nice to have a few more local restaurants (I'm not a chain guy) and a golf course or two and some dedicated outdoor pickle ball courts, but you can be as busy as you want to living in Athens. As for hotels, the Hampton and Fairfield are just fine and I'm Hilton Diamond and Marriott Gold so you can say I've seen my share of hotels. Stuarts Opera House brings a wide range of talent and at a very reasonable price and Fur Peace has traditionally had great shows.

One thing people often forget is that for four months a year, this town is pretty empty. In measuring the size of a town I look at the size of the local high school graduating class. Athens High is right around 185 and close to half them don't live in Athens. Tough to run a business when you only have eight consistent months of revenue.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/11/2022 11:27:24 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Campus Flow wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Getting back to the original question, these are three things that could push Athens into another category of attractiveness:

1) An 18 hole golf course
2) Affordable quality senior housing
3) An expanded public transportation system.

I could add several more but when this town goes empty from May 1 to August 15, it's tough for independent restaurants and shops to make it. Real tough.


If there were these things and perhaps a really strong summer music scene. Could some out-of-state retirees be enticed?

Just wondering if the school year was exactly Sept-May and fancy dorm apartments had been built, could you persuade enough Floridians to escape the oppressive summer heat for a 3 month retirement rental in Athens? Students 9 months, fumigate and oldsters for three.



I think access to healthcare's such a key driver of retirement decisions that it seems hard to imagine Athens becoming a retirement destination. O'Bleness just doesn't cut it and Columbus is too far.


The savvy senior has that at the back of their mind when selecting retirement communities. There isn't enough to do for for a retired person. Its one thing to come down to Athens a couple of times a year for an event. Athens in my estimation would do better if they could develop an arts district around the ridges, attract a higher level hotel and bring more tourism dollars for that twice visit. Make it more attractive to parents of prospective students. A lot of older alums if they are going to go down to Athens won't stay anywhere below OU Inn caliber. There is a crowd that will go AirBnB if they have a dog. They don't want to take a road trip to stay in a Super 8.


Having lived here for 43 years, there is more than enough to do. Yes, it would be nice to have a few more local restaurants (I'm not a chain guy) and a golf course or two and some dedicated outdoor pickle ball courts, but you can be as busy as you want to living in Athens. As for hotels, the Hampton and Fairfield are just fine and I'm Hilton Diamond and Marriott Gold so you can say I've seen my share of hotels. Stuarts Opera House brings a wide range of talent and at a very reasonable price and Fur Peace has traditionally had great shows.

One thing people often forget is that for four months a year, this town is pretty empty. In measuring the size of a town I look at the size of the local high school graduating class. Athens High is right around 185 and close to half them don't live in Athens. Tough to run a business when you only have eight consistent months of revenue.


Alan with respect to golf course popularity that peaked out around 2005 and less communities are being built today with a golf course as a centerpiece. Hocking Valley is a getaway for Columbus area residents and that is driving the numbers more so than Athens residents. Most of Athens County doesn't live in Athens proper either so Athens with 10,000 fewer in the summer doesn't have the impact on East State street that you could otherwise infer when that is the shopping district for the whole county. Certain businesses sure can take a big hit but they can close for the summer or cut back on staff.

Tourism dollars are enough regionally to support another full service hotel. Burr Oak Lodge and OU Inn are the only full service hotels. An expanded OU Inn might do the trick. A new full service hotel at the corner of the Ridges was part of the 2016 campus master plan which to go with the basketball practice facility were put on the backburner. In general there is more cultural/counter cultural things to do in Athens. 4 wineries and 4 breweries. Various shows and festivals in town. Setting lacks the mystique of New Mexico or the cruise ship ports of Florida. Athens has a vibe of being in the country and not the mountains. Morgantown has more of the mountain vibe but also gives off a blue collar West Virginia city vibe.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/11/2022 11:49:01 PM 
FYI: The university doesn't own the OU Inn. It's owned by the OU Foundation.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/12/2022 5:17:41 PM 
Campus Flow wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Campus Flow wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Getting back to the original question, these are three things that could push Athens into another category of attractiveness:

1) An 18 hole golf course
2) Affordable quality senior housing
3) An expanded public transportation system.

I could add several more but when this town goes empty from May 1 to August 15, it's tough for independent restaurants and shops to make it. Real tough.


If there were these things and perhaps a really strong summer music scene. Could some out-of-state retirees be enticed?

Just wondering if the school year was exactly Sept-May and fancy dorm apartments had been built, could you persuade enough Floridians to escape the oppressive summer heat for a 3 month retirement rental in Athens? Students 9 months, fumigate and oldsters for three.



I think access to healthcare's such a key driver of retirement decisions that it seems hard to imagine Athens becoming a retirement destination. O'Bleness just doesn't cut it and Columbus is too far.


The savvy senior has that at the back of their mind when selecting retirement communities. There isn't enough to do for for a retired person. Its one thing to come down to Athens a couple of times a year for an event. Athens in my estimation would do better if they could develop an arts district around the ridges, attract a higher level hotel and bring more tourism dollars for that twice visit. Make it more attractive to parents of prospective students. A lot of older alums if they are going to go down to Athens won't stay anywhere below OU Inn caliber. There is a crowd that will go AirBnB if they have a dog. They don't want to take a road trip to stay in a Super 8.


Having lived here for 43 years, there is more than enough to do. Yes, it would be nice to have a few more local restaurants (I'm not a chain guy) and a golf course or two and some dedicated outdoor pickle ball courts, but you can be as busy as you want to living in Athens. As for hotels, the Hampton and Fairfield are just fine and I'm Hilton Diamond and Marriott Gold so you can say I've seen my share of hotels. Stuarts Opera House brings a wide range of talent and at a very reasonable price and Fur Peace has traditionally had great shows.

One thing people often forget is that for four months a year, this town is pretty empty. In measuring the size of a town I look at the size of the local high school graduating class. Athens High is right around 185 and close to half them don't live in Athens. Tough to run a business when you only have eight consistent months of revenue.


Alan with respect to golf course popularity that peaked out around 2005 and less communities are being built today with a golf course as a centerpiece. Hocking Valley is a getaway for Columbus area residents and that is driving the numbers more so than Athens residents. Most of Athens County doesn't live in Athens proper either so Athens with 10,000 fewer in the summer doesn't have the impact on East State street that you could otherwise infer when that is the shopping district for the whole county. Certain businesses sure can take a big hit but they can close for the summer or cut back on staff.

Tourism dollars are enough regionally to support another full service hotel. Burr Oak Lodge and OU Inn are the only full service hotels. An expanded OU Inn might do the trick. A new full service hotel at the corner of the Ridges was part of the 2016 campus master plan which to go with the basketball practice facility were put on the backburner. In general there is more cultural/counter cultural things to do in Athens. 4 wineries and 4 breweries. Various shows and festivals in town. Setting lacks the mystique of New Mexico or the cruise ship ports of Florida. Athens has a vibe of being in the country and not the mountains. Morgantown has more of the mountain vibe but also gives off a blue collar West Virginia city vibe.


Didn't say a thing about a golf course community just an 18 hole course. Not sure what your second paragraph says because it seems to contradict your original statement that "there isn't enough to do for a retired person."

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   Posted: 12/13/2022 7:25:11 AM 
Golf peaked in 2005 but like anything else it can have a turnaround.

It seems that COVID helped popularity quite a bit. Women have increased participation significantly. Venues like TopGolf (Columbus area alumni event held there in October was fun) may give some the itch to try the wide open green spaces golf courses provide.

If the U has land for golf perhaps they could do a swap with Athens CC. U builds 18 holes and a club house and in exchange gets the CC property. Endowment could cover the difference in value for a decent town/gown relations move.

Last Edited: 12/13/2022 7:30:22 AM by MonroeClassmate

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   Posted: 12/13/2022 10:40:38 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
As for the statement I actually made, here's why I feel that way:

1) The Ohio Supreme Court -- thanks to its Republican appointed chief justice -- ruled the Ohio electoral map unconstitutional. District lines have not been re-drawn.

2) The Princeton Gerrymandering Project gives Ohio's lines an F. https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-ca...

3) Ohio maps have been struck down six times in a row by the Ohio Supreme Court.

3) In a state where 42% of residents identify as Republicam, 40% as Democrat, and 18% as Independent, 12 of 18 house seats are held by Republicans.

And how does that show itself in how the state's actually governed?

1) 53% of voters want to protect abortion rights in Ohio. Only 39% want it restricted. The state legislature passed one of the nation's most restrictive laws.

2) 60% of voters opposed a change to concealed carry laws. The law was passed regardless.

3) 85% favor expanding background checks, 79% support raising the minimum purchase age of certain guns, and 75% support red flag laws. Instead, the gun laws passed in Ohio were so extreme they were denounced by the Fraternal Order of Police.

4) A 10 year old rape victim couldn't receive the medical care needed in Ohio and had to travel out of state. How do you think the electorate feels about that? Less than 14% of voters support banning abortions in all cases.

5) In 2012, Ohio voted for Obama by 3 points. Sherrod Brown won easily. Republicans won a 60-39 super majority in the house. Why is that? The Ohio Statehouse now has a 64-35 advantage. The state Senate has a 25-8 advantage. As I mentioned earlier, 42% of residents identify as Republicam, 40% as Democrat, and 18% as Independent. That's completely unreflected in the state government.


To add to this list, I found out this week that, according to Ohio GOP lawmakers, natural gas is a "green energy". I'm thinking most Ohioans, from regular lay citizens to experts in the field of renewable/non-renewable energy, would not consider natural gas as clean. A new bill will do just that, change science for their own benefits.
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   Posted: 12/13/2022 6:04:15 PM 
What is the definition of clean energy?

Does it mean anything cleaner than coal?

Is a 5000 acre field of solar panels clean? What about the resources to make the panels being factored in?

Is nuclear power clean relative to NG? if so, why not build a bunch more?

I have no answers just questions.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/14/2022 12:47:51 AM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
What is the definition of clean energy?

Does it mean anything cleaner than coal?

Is a 5000 acre field of solar panels clean? What about the resources to make the panels being factored in?

Is nuclear power clean relative to NG? if so, why not build a bunch more?

I have no answers just questions.


The perception is Nuclear is cleaner than NG. All of the radioactive waste created all time by nuclear could fit on the space of a football field two levels high. One of the buzzes in the industry is Small and Medium Reactors (SMRs) that are more modular for more efficient manufacturing and maintenance. Where they will be ultimately be in the mix in the future is difficult to say.

I will depend a lot on who is president. Fossil fuels are not done. Artic regions I bet will be opened up at some point for drilling. There are going to be new extraction techniques such as extracting hydro carbons from continental shelfs which regenerate them through granite. Its going to the a hybrid future of fossil and "green" and its probably been so effectively for a decade now.

For individual homes sourcing electric from a wind or solar farm is going to be the way to go over actually having a panels and wind installation at your house, technology that will age out. I have a 5kw allocation on a solar farm that I'm trying out and have done wind sourcing for years. I don't agree that having a 5kw or an 8kw system on your house adds tangible resale value as a deck but it will help the bill while you own it.


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   Posted: 12/14/2022 7:10:46 AM 
Campus Flow wrote:


For individual homes sourcing electric from a wind or solar farm is going to be the way to go over actually having a panels and wind installation at your house, technology that will age out.


Last week I was at a Council Meeting for a town I represent as their Municipal Engineer.

One of the topics for discussion was a fire at 1 1/2 story wood frame house.

Normally a house fire wouldn't be brought up at a council meeting.

But, in the case of this house, the issue was Solar Panels on the roof.

I learned a few things :

1.Squirrels love building nests under Solar Panels.
They are warm in the Winter.

2.Squirrels also like to "burrow" under roof shingles

3.Squirrels like to chew on any wiring.

In the case of this house, they chewed through the wires,
that created shorts, that started the fire.

4.Because of the weight of the panels, they couldn't allow
fire fighters on the roof to "vent" the attic to control the
blaze.
All they could do was put water on it from above.

5.The weight of the panels makes a roof structure likely to
collapse.
This one did, and took most of the house with it.

6.Local fire departments tell home owners, when they put Solar Panels
on roofs, they need to be inspected at least a couple of time a year.
But no one does.















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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/16/2022 6:45:16 AM 
And it keeps getting better for Ohioans. The Ohio GOP just voted to disenfranchise our overseas and deployed military members. And decided 1 drop box was enough for each county, whether or not that county has over 1 million people (Franklin, Cuyahoga) or only 14,500 people (Vinton).
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  Message Not Read  RE: Best place to retire in Ohio?
   Posted: 12/23/2022 1:06:45 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
And it keeps getting better for Ohioans. The Ohio GOP just voted to disenfranchise our overseas and deployed military members. And decided 1 drop box was enough for each county, whether or not that county has over 1 million people (Franklin, Cuyahoga) or only 14,500 people (Vinton).


I know that democrats want more people to vote and republicans less. I vote for both parties and the person, rather than the team. This has been my observation for some time.
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