BobcatAttack.com - For Fans of Ohio University Sports

Welcome Guest!
Create an Account

site search

where to watch

about us

advertise with us

help

BobcatAttack.com Message Board

General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events

Topic: RE: Presidential search

Topic: RE: Presidential search

Author

Message

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 12:29:28 PM

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58clyvlGno

Impressive!

I'm convinced a crow, dolphin or even an elephant could be trained and be successful at a college presidency these days

But not Duane Nellis, huh?

He was the perfect example of what a modern OU president can get away with as the role doesn't require the leadership personality of years past.

The simple fact of the matter is supply and demand is and has always hurt the university. The Fine Arts program averages a 3.94 GPA because there are less places to go for that. When the programs are distinctive and OU has a corner on the market in-state or nationally the tend to thrive.

To offset the university could build a student pipeline to Nashville, Atlanta or Florida I suppose. But on a basic level there isn't much Ohio can do about its positioning which is why I don't believe the presidential choice matters as much as some on here think it does. Particularly when a president can now go 5 years without approving a construction improvement or a signficant partnership with everything explored.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 6,808

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 2:05:05 PM

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58clyvlGno

Impressive!

I'm convinced a crow, dolphin or even an elephant could be trained and be successful at a college presidency these days

But not Duane Nellis, huh?

I don't get your preoccupation with construction projects. If you've been on campus lately, we're reducing our building footprint. We're down 4000 students from a high in 2016.

SBH
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 3,442

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 3:28:08 PM

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58clyvlGno

Impressive!

I'm convinced a crow, dolphin or even an elephant could be trained and be successful at a college presidency these days

But not Duane Nellis, huh?

He did not "get away" with anything. He got shit-canned.

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 4:58:13 PM

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58clyvlGno

Impressive!

I'm convinced a crow, dolphin or even an elephant could be trained and be successful at a college presidency these days

But not Duane Nellis, huh?

He did not "get away" with anything. He got shit-canned.

Had a clause written into his contract to return as a geography professor if he would like an exercised it.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 5:18:34 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58clyvlGno

Impressive!

I'm convinced a crow, dolphin or even an elephant could be trained and be successful at a college presidency these days

But not Duane Nellis, huh?

I don't get your preoccupation with construction projects. If you've been on campus lately, we're reducing our building footprint. We're down 4000 students from a high in 2016.

My point on the construction projects is everything that was planned to be built aside from a new pool at Ping and the basketball practice facility at The Convo is either finished or obligated ($200 million dorm renovation project). The steady stream of new construction on campus the past 30 years is wrapping up.

What is the president going to do then if the campus is built out, the faculty pay model defined and the scholarship models defined? Federal research funding peaked in 2004 and has gone downhill because of losing young faculty to other institutions that pay better. We think athletics has lost its soul because of money but its a problem in academia too. There isn't anything OU can do about it that it hasn't already. Build programs with distinction in the Fine Arts example but that has reoptimized a few times already. Market to attract the Jack and Jill high school graduate that doesn't have a major focus they have it set up to do that too.

No doubt there are problems with the university but the potential isn't there to move to the AAU or move back into the Top 100 of the USNWR which is what a lot of alums want to see happen. Be a school that you go to just for the label like Miami. There is a shot of passing Miami by in the rankings as they continue to slide and passing UC again but the potential is limited.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

SBH
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 3,442

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 5:20:49 PM

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58clyvlGno

Impressive!

I'm convinced a crow, dolphin or even an elephant could be trained and be successful at a college presidency these days

But not Duane Nellis, huh?

He did not "get away" with anything. He got shit-canned.

Had a clause written into his contract to return as a geography professor if he would like an exercised it.

That's not what happened. The board took action and let him save face.

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 5:39:24 PM

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

SBH wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58clyvlGno

Impressive!

I'm convinced a crow, dolphin or even an elephant could be trained and be successful at a college presidency these days

But not Duane Nellis, huh?

He did not "get away" with anything. He got shit-canned.

Had a clause written into his contract to return as a geography professor if he would like an exercised it.

That's not what happened. The board took action and let him save face.

Nellis said he was going to step down a year earlier but stayed on longer than he wanted in part because of the pandemic.

I don't recall a no confidence vote from the board.

He quit because he was old and never really wanted it.

Last Edited: 3/26/2023 5:40:12 PM by Campus Flow

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 5:42:23 PM

The shift the last couple of decades toward appalachian perspective isn't helping the university either. Top students aren't looking for that. It was traditionally another among many schools in Ohio.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

OUPride
General User

Member Since: 9/21/2010
Post Count: 541

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 6:47:35 PM

Campus Flow wrote:

The shift the last couple of decades toward appalachian perspective isn't helping the university either. Top students aren't looking for that. It was traditionally another among many schools in Ohio.

In an overbuilt system, what is Ohio's angle? OSU is OSU, and as soon as they were allowed to move to selective admissions, the current scenario was all but inevitable. That being said, I believe Miami is on the downswing propped up only by their being a safety school for preppy kids from the Chicago suburbs. OTOH, Cincinnati seems to be on the upswing and is now competing with Ohio for kids.

I would love for the incoming President to openly and frankly address these things. McDavis fed everyone the fresh meat they wanted to hear and talked about surpassing OSU. I want the new President to come in and realistically tell us where were are and where she's going to take us and how she's going to take us there.

And to my earlier point, the Ohio job is incredibly complex and difficult right now. I hope we've made the right choice.

OhioCatFan
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 13,462

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/26/2023 10:45:10 PM

OUPride wrote:

. . .And to my earlier point, the Ohio job is incredibly complex and difficult right now. I hope we've made the right choice.

I hope so, too. As I a said, I liked her opening statement. One thing I liked about the Marshall guy was his strong fundraising background. I had a good recommendation from a source in the know at Marshall who had first-hand knowledge of his fundraising prowess. In today's environment that's a very important attribute in a president. Also, with his engineering degree he had a very impressive academic background. I think he would have insisted on good academic rigor. But, I'm willing to give Gonzalez the benefit of the doubt.

"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org

MonroeClassmate
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2010
Post Count: 1,844

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 3/27/2023 9:56:47 AM

"The Fine Arts program averages a 3.94 GPA"

Coming out of HS?

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/1/2023 10:07:08 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

"The Fine Arts program averages a 3.94 GPA"

Coming out of HS?

Straight out of HS and I bet it has to do with other colleges in the state not having the majors around it. Its doable for other colleges as well.

The crazy thing is OU could average a 3.95 overall and be the top of the public colleges in-state and still not be ranked in the USWNR top 100 with the way their evaluation criteria are designed. A more realistic goal is to steal Miami's lunch and be ranked ahead of them.

Last Edited: 4/1/2023 10:07:46 PM by Campus Flow

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/1/2023 10:16:18 PM

OUPride wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

The shift the last couple of decades toward appalachian perspective isn't helping the university either. Top students aren't looking for that. It was traditionally another among many schools in Ohio.

Recently there was an alumni survey. I metioned the drop in the rankings and that OU is now below Cincinnati in the rankings.

I also said they should push for more research funding in the State of Ohio around the Carneige R1 designation. Bonus 20 million for R1 institutions over those who aren't to help maintain their status. A little extra money will help but also the stature. Act like a normal state and designate research universities.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

OUPride
General User

Member Since: 9/21/2010
Post Count: 541

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/2/2023 9:03:06 AM

Campus Flow wrote:

Act like a normal state and designate research universities.

Unfortunately, we've been hoisted on our own petard with regards to that. Alden was so hellbent on damaging OSU that he went along and supported the idea of letting every campus in the system start loading on doctoral and research programs mistakenly thinking it would bring OSU down to everyone else's level. He mistakenly thought that when Ohio was allowed to backdoor into open admission like Miami, it would make the difference.

At the same time, California was implementing the "Master Plan" which severely regulated which campuses would be research universities. It also determined how selective the various campuses would be rather than a mess of a system where one campus became somewhat selective by not being forced to build enough dorm space for the baby boom surge and everyone else was mandated into open admissions. Today, Ohio has more publicly funded law and medical schools than California as well as multiple disciplines where we fund more public doctoral programs than California. We have one very selective research university stockpiling 7K kids every year plus what they send to their branch campuses, and 12 other campuses all struggling to various degrees with enrollment issues. I don't know how that toothpaste ever gets put back in the tube.

Bobcat Love
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 912

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/3/2023 8:44:28 AM

Campus Flow wrote:

He quit because he was old and never really wanted it.

If only there was an interview process to screen for little things like this....

SBH
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 3,442

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/3/2023 10:04:04 AM

He wanted the job. He pursued it.

He "quit" because he suffered a form of PTSD during the COVID emergency. He froze like JFK's secret service detail.

giacomo
General User

Member Since: 11/20/2007
Post Count: 2,429

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/5/2023 8:48:39 AM

https://pge.post-gazette.com/.pf/showstory/202304040119/3

New Pitt Chancellor salary is 950k plus other perks.

OUPride
General User

Member Since: 9/21/2010
Post Count: 541

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/5/2023 10:16:57 AM

giacomo wrote:

https://pge.post-gazette.com/.pf/showstory/202304040119/3

New Pitt Chancellor salary is 950k plus other perks.

Do you feel that Ohio should be able to compete with that? Pitt is AAU with a massive medical center and NIH designated cancer research complex. They were able to hire away the President of Minnesota.

BillyTheCat
General User

Member Since: 10/6/2012
Post Count: 8,839

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/5/2023 10:33:44 AM

OUPride wrote:

giacomo wrote:

https://pge.post-gazette.com/.pf/showstory/202304040119/3

New Pitt Chancellor salary is 950k plus other perks.

the medical center is a teaching partnership, and not actually part of the University of Pittsburgh, it has its own governance and is legally separate from the University.

giacomo
General User

Member Since: 11/20/2007
Post Count: 2,429

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/5/2023 7:37:41 PM

OUPride wrote:

giacomo wrote:

https://pge.post-gazette.com/.pf/showstory/202304040119/3

New Pitt Chancellor salary is 950k plus other perks.

I don�t. Just informing the message board. She also get a 200k retention bonus each year and can collect 1M more if she stays 5 years. I would rather see the president make more than coaches.

OUPride
General User

Member Since: 9/21/2010
Post Count: 541

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/5/2023 7:44:02 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

OUPride wrote:

giacomo wrote:

https://pge.post-gazette.com/.pf/showstory/202304040119/3

New Pitt Chancellor salary is 950k plus other perks.

the medical center is a teaching partnership, and not actually part of the University of Pittsburgh, it has its own governance and is legally separate from the University.

I don't know the specifics about how things are governed at Pitt. What I do know is that they have an endowment closing in on $6B and did almost $700M in research funding in the last year. They're AAU and an NIH designated Comprehensive Cancer Center. They're going to attract a different level of President than Ohio. Even if we offered the President of Minnesota 950K, she's not coming here. I believe that Ohio shouldn't "settle." I also believe in being realistic about what end of the pool we're swimming in. Ivy League provosts and Big Ten Presidents aren't leaving for the Ohio job, regardless of what we're paying.

https://www.utimes.pitt.edu/news/university-shines-severa... ).

Last Edited: 4/5/2023 7:45:06 PM by OUPride

giacomo
General User

Member Since: 11/20/2007
Post Count: 2,429

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/6/2023 9:50:57 AM

I agree with you. Its the subject of today's editorial cartoon:

https://pge.post-gazette.com/image/static/610x450_Q96/.me...

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/9/2023 1:00:05 PM

OUPride wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Act like a normal state and designate research universities.

The state system is what it is but there is some room to grow within the system as its structure today. For the doctoral set aside 25% is based on FTE degree completions. Another 25% is determined on current National Science Foundation research levels with grants going to Health and Human Services weighted at 50%. The state is incentivizing a growth in biomedical PhDs and research which is exactly what the university is directing towards with its new biomedical buildings to provide space for growth.

https://highered.ohio.gov/static/files/uploads/financial/...

Other funding components include money for in-state students and at-risk students both of which Ohio has a focus area in. Today's higher education funding model for the state runs contrary to Miami's Chicago area student recruitment and educational model. Advantage of those historically higher admissions are fading as the USNWR downgrades them annually each year.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/9/2023 1:43:29 PM

There is a reason that an R1 bonus money system could work in the state of Ohio looking at the designations and funding level already in place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universiti...

FY 2023 State Share of Instruction Data (undergraduate enrollment)

R1: Ohio State $417.6 mil (47,106)
R1: Cincinnati $232.8 mil (35,339)
R1: Ohio $178.0 mil (14,336)
R1: Kent State $159.0 mil (25,630)

R2: Toledo $111.1 mil (13,185)
R2: Akron $87.5 mil (10,378)
R2: Bowling Green $87.3 mil (20,395)
R2: Miami $82.1 mil (17,327)
R2: Cleveland St $79.9 mil (10,626)
R2: Wright St $77.0 mil (7,415)

With an overall SSI appropriation of about 1.6 billion if the state could allocate just 5% of the budget as an R1 set aside ($80 million) and divide it by the 4 R1 schools ($20 million a piece to OSU, UC, OU, KSU) to help them maintain their R1 status that would definitely help out Ohio and increase its prestige.

For the size of their undergraduate populations Miami and BG receive a small percentage of the SSI funding. Ohio relatively is the largest reciepent and receives more SSI money per undergradute ($12,416) than OSU ($8,865). Miami for comparisons sake receives $4,738 per undergraduate (38% per undergrad of what OU is alloted from the state).

Last Edited: 4/9/2023 1:44:45 PM by Campus Flow

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Campus Flow
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,781

Status: Offline

RE: Presidential search

Posted: 4/14/2023 9:57:09 PM

Quote:

The Resources, Facilities and Affordability Committee met to discuss the forecast for Fiscal Year 23, an update on special course fees and items addressed by the advancement group.

The FY23 forecast original budget contained about a $1 million deficit; however, this prediction was wrong, and the forecast now shows almost a $39 million surplus for this year, Senior Vice President, Mark Heil, said.

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2023/04/ou-board-of...

Another nice surplus for OU (39 million) on the back of a large freshman class. The university keeps over deliverying on freshman class target that would be another 50-55 million per yer to put into research to help solidify the R1 ranking. Structural pandemic downsizing was a good move.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Showing Replies:	101 - 125 of 127 Posts
Jump to Page:	< Previous 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 \| 5 \| 6 Next >

View Other 'General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events' Topics

There are 118 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com

116 Guests
2 Registered Users:
	colobobcat66, shabamon

There are no other users looking at this page.