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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  Protests?
   Posted: 5/9/2024 2:31:25 PM 
Following the national news, there are stories about colleges throughout the nation embroiled in protests over the Israel/Hamas war. Has there been anything of note at OHIO over the past couple of weeks?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 6:51:16 AM 
There was an article about a pro hamas protest in The Post.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 12:52:16 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
There was an article about a pro hamas protest in The Post.


I'm not seeing any reporting about a "pro hamas" protest here...

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2024/05/ohio-univer...



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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 1:32:52 PM 
Since 2007 Gaza has been governed by Hamas.

So if you are demonstrating pro Gaza, you are demonstrating for Hamas.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 2:08:51 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Since 2007 Gaza has been governed by Hamas.

So if you are demonstrating pro Gaza, you are demonstrating for Hamas.



Seriously, this is absurd. The black and white views here are maddening.

Many people are demonstrating against the genocide of a people that did not choose hamas as their leadership.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 2:46:05 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Since 2007 Gaza has been governed by Hamas.

So if you are demonstrating pro Gaza, you are demonstrating for Hamas.



Seriously, this is absurd. The black and white views here are maddening.

Many people are demonstrating against the genocide of a people that did not choose hamas as their leadership.


According to everything I read, the overwhelming majority of people in gaza still support Hamas, including the October 7,2023 attack.

One October 7,2023,Hamas declared war on Isreal.

No different than Japan on December 7,1941.

Until Hamas surrenders, it is black white.

Taking civilian hostages violates every "rule of war", but Hamas doesn't care.

I have friends in the IDF. They've seen first hand what Hamas did on October 7,2023.

They were saying "civilians" in Gaza went after the hostages.
They also saw first hand the atrocities Hamas did to Israeli civilians, which was pretty much every Israeli that was killed that day.

Hamas has said they intend to keep repeating what they did on 10/7 ,till Israel no longer exists.

You can't be expected to reason with people like that.

Hamas also has no problem with using Gaza Civilians as human shields.

I live I an area with a large Jewish population.
They just want Hamas destroyed.
Several has said that Iasrael should turn Gaza into glass.



Last Edited: 5/10/2024 2:54:14 PM by rpbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 3:38:01 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Since 2007 Gaza has been governed by Hamas.

So if you are demonstrating pro Gaza, you are demonstrating for Hamas.



And nobody has worked harder to keep them in power and to fund them than the Netanyahu government because their presence prevented any movement towards a two-state solution. Maybe students aren't protesting Hamas but are protesting Israel's grotesque response of ethnic cleansing and war crimes to Hamas' terrorist attack of 10/7. Genocidal bloodlust is a poor look regardless of what its catalyst was.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 4:08:29 PM 
So just curious here, after the attacks last fall, what is Israel supposed to do?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 4:41:53 PM 
OUPride wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Since 2007 Gaza has been governed by Hamas.

So if you are demonstrating pro Gaza, you are demonstrating for Hamas.



And nobody has worked harder to keep them in power and to fund them than the Netanyahu government because their presence prevented any movement towards a two-state solution. Maybe students aren't protesting Hamas but are protesting Israel's grotesque response of ethnic cleansing and war crimes to Hamas' terrorist attack of 10/7. Genocidal bloodlust is a poor look regardless of what its catalyst was.


Hamas has said they are not interested in a 2 state solution.
They want 1 state and no Israel.

In my opinion Israel's response has been restrained.
In no way does it meet the definition of genocide.

If Israel was practicing genocide they would have "carpet bombed" all of Gaza
then sent troops in to kill everyone who survived the bombing.

Once Hamas attacked and murdered innocent civilians on October 7,2023 all bets are off.
After that everything that happens in on Hamas.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 4:43:16 PM 
Iíve read many articles and editorials about these campus protests, trying to understand. Iíve read about students and their opinions and understanding of the situation. It appears to me that they donít understand what is really going on and a lot of it is herd mentality. They really donít know what they donít know. They are young people looking for a cause.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 4:48:36 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:


In my opinion Israel's response has been restrained.
In no way does it meet the definition of genocide.

If Israel was practicing genocide they would have "carpet bombed" all of Gaza
then sent troops in to kill everyone who survived the bombing.





Ethnic cleansing? Check.
Mass reprisals against civilians? Check!
Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check!
Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check!
Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check!

It's the very definition of international war crimes and genocide.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 5:15:54 PM 
OUPride wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


In my opinion Israel's response has been restrained.
In no way does it meet the definition of genocide.

If Israel was practicing genocide they would have "carpet bombed" all of Gaza
then sent troops in to kill everyone who survived the bombing.





Ethnic cleansing? Check.
Mass reprisals against civilians? Check!
Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check!
Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check!
Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check!

It's the very definition of international war crimes and genocide.


Ethnic cleansing:
If it was,why would Israel stop

Mass reprisals against civilians:
You mean the ones Hamas is using as human shields

Using foo/famine
Lets forget about the aid Hamas is taking

Herding Civilians ...

They are fleeing on their own.

Depriving civilians ...:
Hamas refers to all Gazans as Hamas.

You're entitled to your opinion,but isn't what Hamas did on 10/7 genocide also ?

As I said,once Hamas declared war on 10/7,all bets are off.
From that point on Israel is free to do what whatever they need to to eliminate
the threat.
Just like we did to Japan with the Atomic Bombs.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/10/2024 5:30:27 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Iíve read many articles and editorials about these campus protests, trying to understand. Iíve read about students and their opinions and understanding of the situation. It appears to me that they donít understand what is really going on and a lot of it is herd mentality. They really donít know what they donít know. They are young people looking for a cause.


Forget the spoiled rotten Ivy League brats for a minute with their designer North Face tents from REI at the mall. I fully support Israel's right to defend themselves...FULLY. Yet, Crime Minister Netanyahu is a danger to this planet. He would prefer WW-3 over stepping down and being out of power. He's a criminal grifter just like somebody else I could name. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The US State Department designated Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization in October 1997. That's not new. People (some not born yet in 1997) think they are "moderate" radical terrorists? What does that mean? They only want to cut off ONE of your hands?

Meanwhile, the majority of Israeli citizens want Crime Minister Netanyahu replaced with somebody less right-wing and bogus.

This was all unfortunately predictable.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/11/2024 6:46:22 AM 
greencat wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Iíve read many articles and editorials about these campus protests, trying to understand. Iíve read about students and their opinions and understanding of the situation. It appears to me that they donít understand what is really going on and a lot of it is herd mentality. They really donít know what they donít know. They are young people looking for a cause.


Forget the spoiled rotten Ivy League brats for a minute with their designer North Face tents from REI at the mall. I fully support Israel's right to defend themselves...FULLY. Yet, Crime Minister Netanyahu is a danger to this planet. He would prefer WW-3 over stepping down and being out of power. He's a criminal grifter just like somebody else I could name. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The US State Department designated Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization in October 1997. That's not new. People (some not born yet in 1997) think they are "moderate" radical terrorists? What does that mean? They only want to cut off ONE of your hands?

Meanwhile, the majority of Israeli citizens want Crime Minister Netanyahu replaced with somebody less right-wing and bogus.

This was all unfortunately predictable.


This, I can totally get down with.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/11/2024 9:25:23 AM 
According to WINS this morning Israel has to send troops back into Northern Gaza
because Hamas has regrouped there.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/11/2024 10:10:53 AM 
Israelís military intelligence circulated a document to Israeli leaders warning that even if the army succeeds in dismantling Hamas as an organized military force in Gaza, it will survive as ďa terror group and a guerrilla group.Ē Like playing "whack-a-mole" at Dave & Busters.

Meanwhile Crime Minister Netanyaho desperately clings to power while pandering to the old school right wingers with his "never trust a gentile" BS which is ironic. Netanyahu was in the past charged with fraud, breach of trust, and bribery. He is far from honest. Like somebody else I could name.

Israelís government is concerned that the International Criminal Court (icc) in The Hague will issue arrest warrants against Crime Minister Netanyahu which helps explain his desperation to stay in office. Like somebody else I could name desperate for power to pardon himself and not spend the rest of HIS sorry days behind bars.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/12/2024 11:42:54 PM 
OUPride wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


In my opinion Israel's response has been restrained.
In no way does it meet the definition of genocide.

If Israel was practicing genocide they would have "carpet bombed" all of Gaza
then sent troops in to kill everyone who survived the bombing.



Ethnic cleansing? Check.
Mass reprisals against civilians? Check!
Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check!
Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check!
Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check!

It's the very definition of international war crimes and genocide.


huh?

Ethnic cleansing? Check. -- False. Nothing close to this is occurring in Gaza. If you want to see a real ethnic cleansing, just let Hamas win. They will kill every Jew they can get their hands on, and then go after all non-Muslims. That would be total genocide.

Mass reprisals against civilians? Check! -- False, the IDF tries to minimize civilian casualties, Hamas tries to maximize them. Big difference!

Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check! -- False, the IDF and other Israel agencies deliver food to civilians when possible.

Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check! -- False, Israel tries when possible to provide temporary shelters to protect civilians from being targets.

Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check! -- Neutral, only as in indirect consequence of the war

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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/13/2024 8:42:58 AM 
gedunkman wrote:
OUPride wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


In my opinion Israel's response has been restrained.
In no way does it meet the definition of genocide.

If Israel was practicing genocide they would have "carpet bombed" all of Gaza
then sent troops in to kill everyone who survived the bombing.



Ethnic cleansing? Check.
Mass reprisals against civilians? Check!
Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check!
Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check!
Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check!

It's the very definition of international war crimes and genocide.


huh?

Ethnic cleansing? Check. -- False. Nothing close to this is occurring in Gaza. If you want to see a real ethnic cleansing, just let Hamas win. They will kill every Jew they can get their hands on, and then go after all non-Muslims. That would be total genocide.

Mass reprisals against civilians? Check! -- False, the IDF tries to minimize civilian casualties, Hamas tries to maximize them. Big difference!

Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check! -- False, the IDF and other Israel agencies deliver food to civilians when possible.

Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check! -- False, Israel tries when possible to provide temporary shelters to protect civilians from being targets.

Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check! -- Neutral, only as in indirect consequence of the war



It's ok to be against Hamas and admit that what Israel is doing is wrong. They have no regard for civilians and have deliberately targeted them. They are actively making it difficult ne impossible to get aid to civilians and are starving the population. These things are not in dispute.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/13/2024 10:10:53 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
gedunkman wrote:
OUPride wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


In my opinion Israel's response has been restrained.
In no way does it meet the definition of genocide.

If Israel was practicing genocide they would have "carpet bombed" all of Gaza
then sent troops in to kill everyone who survived the bombing.



Ethnic cleansing? Check.
Mass reprisals against civilians? Check!
Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check!
Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check!
Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check!

It's the very definition of international war crimes and genocide.


huh?

Ethnic cleansing? Check. -- False. Nothing close to this is occurring in Gaza. If you want to see a real ethnic cleansing, just let Hamas win. They will kill every Jew they can get their hands on, and then go after all non-Muslims. That would be total genocide.

Mass reprisals against civilians? Check! -- False, the IDF tries to minimize civilian casualties, Hamas tries to maximize them. Big difference!

Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check! -- False, the IDF and other Israel agencies deliver food to civilians when possible.

Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check! -- False, Israel tries when possible to provide temporary shelters to protect civilians from being targets.

Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check! -- Neutral, only as in indirect consequence of the war



It's ok to be against Hamas and admit that what Israel is doing is wrong. They have no regard for civilians and have deliberately targeted them. They are actively making it difficult ne impossible to get aid to civilians and are starving the population. These things are not in dispute.


I always supported Israel's right to defend itself and it's people. Crime Minister Netanyahu is making that look bad.

This is from wire service reports four months ago (quote) -

More than 40 senior former Israeli national security officials, celebrated scientists and prominent business leaders have sent a letter to Israelís president and speaker of parliament demanding that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu be removed from office for posing what they say is an ďexistentialĒ threat to the country.

The signatories on the letter include four former directors of Israelís foreign and domestic security services, two former heads of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and three Nobel Prize winners.

The letter blasts the coalition Netanyahu assembled to form the most right-wing government ever in Israel, along with his highly controversial efforts to overhaul Israelís judiciary that they say led to security lapses that resulted in the October 7 attacks, the deadliest day in Israelís history.

ďWe believe that Netanyahu bears primary responsibility for creating the circumstances leading to the brutal massacre of over 1,200 Israelis and others, the injury of over 4,500, and the kidnapping of more than 230 individuals, of whom over 130 are still held in Hamas captivity,Ē it reads. ďThe victimís blood is on Netanyahuís hands.Ē

-----------------------------------------------------------

Last I checked, he was still unfortunately in power. The best way to safeguard the future of this planet is to rid itself of power-crazed greedy criminal grifters like him and several others I could easily name.

Terrorist a-holes like hamas, the taliban, etc brainwashed by religion are obviously a dire grave threat as well. A good reason not to let America turn into a religious theocracy because that is exactly what some dream of.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/13/2024 11:29:30 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

It's ok to be against Hamas and admit that what Israel is doing is wrong. They have no regard for civilians and have deliberately targeted them. They are actively making it difficult ne impossible to get aid to civilians and are starving the population. These things are not in dispute.


The ignorance is painful. Israel has been involved in getting countless aide to Gaza, while Hamas viciously steals it. The stories of them warning areas of future attacks are plentiful. There is a clear attempt at limiting civilian casualties, despite Hamas actively hiding behind them. The despicable nature of Hamas knows no bounds. War is ugly on every side, but the fact we even debate which side we should support is disgusting.

Virtually nothing would be done different militarily if Gantz or whoever was in power. Israel is united. Blame the right winger nearest the situation for your embarrassingly stupid and immoral protests is lazy and predictable. You really don't HAVE to always root for the less-white side. Be a reasonable person and make a moral judgment here or you're just embarrassing yourself.

Thank you RP for the concise accurate responses. As usual, nobody answered BTC's question. What do you want them to do? Hamas will NOT agree to a two state solution. They repeatedly say their purpose is death. Israel has been far too restrained in their response.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/13/2024 4:01:43 PM 
From the Jerusalem Post:

A poll conducted by the Jewish People Policy Institute showed that about 33% of Jews in Israel are not convinced that Israel is the place where their children or grandchildren should live.

The percentage of Jews who are very optimistic about the future of the State of Israel dropped from 48% in the previous index, conducted at the end of March, to 37%.

That doesn't sound united to me.

Maybe somebody should ask the widow of Yitzhak Rabin who was REALLY responsible for the assassination of her husband.

Any shock Netanyahu is trying to gerrymander the government against the people...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tens-thousands-israeli...
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   Posted: 5/13/2024 4:23:29 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

It's ok to be against Hamas and admit that what Israel is doing is wrong. They have no regard for civilians and have deliberately targeted them. They are actively making it difficult ne impossible to get aid to civilians and are starving the population. These things are not in dispute.


The ignorance is painful. Israel has been involved in getting countless aide to Gaza, while Hamas viciously steals it. The stories of them warning areas of future attacks are plentiful. There is a clear attempt at limiting civilian casualties, despite Hamas actively hiding behind them. The despicable nature of Hamas knows no bounds. War is ugly on every side, but the fact we even debate which side we should support is disgusting.

Virtually nothing would be done different militarily if Gantz or whoever was in power. Israel is united. Blame the right winger nearest the situation for your embarrassingly stupid and immoral protests is lazy and predictable. You really don't HAVE to always root for the less-white side. Be a reasonable person and make a moral judgment here or you're just embarrassing yourself.

Thank you RP for the concise accurate responses. As usual, nobody answered BTC's question. What do you want them to do? Hamas will NOT agree to a two state solution. They repeatedly say their purpose is death. Israel has been far too restrained in their response.


That was out of line, dumb, and wrong.
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   Posted: 5/13/2024 5:12:48 PM 
History will speak for itself. Propaganda is as strong as ever- but facts last longer.


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   Posted: 5/13/2024 9:28:16 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
gedunkman wrote:
OUPride wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


In my opinion Israel's response has been restrained.
In no way does it meet the definition of genocide.

If Israel was practicing genocide they would have "carpet bombed" all of Gaza
then sent troops in to kill everyone who survived the bombing.



Ethnic cleansing? Check.
Mass reprisals against civilians? Check!
Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check!
Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check!
Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check!

It's the very definition of international war crimes and genocide.


huh?

Ethnic cleansing? Check. -- False. Nothing close to this is occurring in Gaza. If you want to see a real ethnic cleansing, just let Hamas win. They will kill every Jew they can get their hands on, and then go after all non-Muslims. That would be total genocide.

Mass reprisals against civilians? Check! -- False, the IDF tries to minimize civilian casualties, Hamas tries to maximize them. Big difference!

Using food/famine as a weapon against civilian populations? Check! -- False, the IDF and other Israel agencies deliver food to civilians when possible.

Herding civilians into densely populated areas (ghettos?)? Check! -- False, Israel tries when possible to provide temporary shelters to protect civilians from being targets.

Depriving civilian populations of food, water and heating fuel? Check! -- Neutral, only as in indirect consequence of the war



It's ok to be against Hamas and admit that what Israel is doing is wrong. They have no regard for civilians and have deliberately targeted them. They are actively making it difficult ne impossible to get aid to civilians and are starving the population. These things are not in dispute.



My question is, if Hamas does not respect civilians,why should Israel? Not a fan of Israelís leader, but one side canít be held to rules while the other is not.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Protests?
   Posted: 5/14/2024 9:28:36 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

It's ok to be against Hamas and admit that what Israel is doing is wrong. They have no regard for civilians and have deliberately targeted them. They are actively making it difficult ne impossible to get aid to civilians and are starving the population. These things are not in dispute.


The ignorance is painful. Israel has been involved in getting countless aide to Gaza, while Hamas viciously steals it. The stories of them warning areas of future attacks are plentiful. There is a clear attempt at limiting civilian casualties, despite Hamas actively hiding behind them. The despicable nature of Hamas knows no bounds. War is ugly on every side, but the fact we even debate which side we should support is disgusting.

Virtually nothing would be done different militarily if Gantz or whoever was in power. Israel is united. Blame the right winger nearest the situation for your embarrassingly stupid and immoral protests is lazy and predictable. You really don't HAVE to always root for the less-white side. Be a reasonable person and make a moral judgment here or you're just embarrassing yourself.

Thank you RP for the concise accurate responses. As usual, nobody answered BTC's question. What do you want them to do? Hamas will NOT agree to a two state solution. They repeatedly say their purpose is death. Israel has been far too restrained in their response.


That was out of line, dumb, and wrong.


I'm sorry my denouncement of evil terrorists was too strong for you. I'd love to hear an actual counter argument.

greencat wrote:
From the Jerusalem Post:

A poll conducted by the Jewish People Policy Institute showed that about 33% of Jews in Israel are not convinced that Israel is the place where their children or grandchildren should live.

The percentage of Jews who are very optimistic about the future of the State of Israel dropped from 48% in the previous index, conducted at the end of March, to 37%.

That doesn't sound united to me.


A slight shift in answer to one poll question, wow how shocking. If my homeland was viciously attacked in about every walk of life and is bordered by a population whose expressed purpose in life is to murder me and my family, my thinking about the future of my family might change too. I suspect the shift in that question is in response to Israelites thinking they are not doing enough to combat their neighboring terrorists.

They voted unanimously to reject any international attempt at the creation of an new Palestinian state. Many members from any and all parties. Benny Gantz has repeatedly said Hamas must be completely eliminated. No one has called for a cease fire. Israel. Is. United.

BillyTheCat wrote:

My question is, if Hamas does not respect civilians,why should Israel? Not a fan of Israelís leader, but one side canít be held to rules while the other is not.


Anybody? Bueller?

Every Civilian death is solely on the hands of Hamas. There are hundreds of dead Israeli soldiers that Israel did not need to shoulder. Militarily they could eviscerate them, but they have shown care for the Palestinian people and executed dangerous targeted attacks while Hamas literally hides behind its citizens and hostages.

About 20% of Israel is Muslim living happily among them. Meanwhile, one single solitary Jew walks into Gaza and is murdered without hesitation. So wait, which side are we loudly protesting again?

Last Edited: 5/14/2024 9:32:19 AM by Andrew Ruck


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