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Topic:  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
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JimLurker34
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/7/2024 1:29:06 PM 
All of public higher education is heading over a cliff and may be getting quite close to the edge. I believe this is true for several reasons: excessive spending on luxury dorms, over the top athletics spending, and a general sense by the public that universities are becoming increasingly elitist and out of touch. I predict that within the next decade we'll see major austerity programs put in place by state legislatures to curb these excesses. The Ohio General Assembly may be a leader in this movement, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/7/2024 2:27:18 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Sounds like a resort.


A resort they are putting behind the Front Four. Like spending this cash and hiding the building.


Just curious, what exactly sounds like a resort to you guys?


Love that nobody answered this question, and are still just railing about how this is a resort, "prissy", and talking about their fiscal responsibility.

At least from the link provided, I'm still struggling to see what's up with all the outrage. The link has 1) no mention of cost and 2) a description and renderings of a dorm that just. . .looks like a dorm.

Like I said, some old grads will find something to be upset about with everything.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/7/2024 2:39:15 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


I wouldn't necessarily consider it superior but the older we get the more grounded it is in experience and reality. I've seen this first hand as an Athens City Councilman and the past propensity to not screen proposed expenditures thoroughly.



Yep, I think we can all agree that boomers fiscal decisions have been perfectly sound and that they've left things set up to thrive across all walks of life.


That would be a stretch statement about any age demographic.



I'm just messing with you, man. My comments weren't actually about "fiscal responsibility" -- just that folks here will find reasons to be critical about any story related to to Ohio University that they come across.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/7/2024 6:15:11 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


I wouldn't necessarily consider it superior but the older we get the more grounded it is in experience and reality. I've seen this first hand as an Athens City Councilman and the past propensity to not screen proposed expenditures thoroughly.



Yep, I think we can all agree that boomers fiscal decisions have been perfectly sound and that they've left things set up to thrive across all walks of life.


That would be a stretch statement about any age demographic.



I'm just messing with you, man. My comments weren't actually about "fiscal responsibility" -- just that folks here will find reasons to be critical about any story related to to Ohio University that they come across.


After your 3334 posts, a few of us have figured out your game. What's interesting is that when legitimate questions are posed about various topics or projects and programs, the questioner is automatically painted as being against said projects. The quest for more information or the facts has suddenly been the pathway to gaslighting. Rather sad (and BLSS I'm speaking in very general terms and not talking about any specific person).

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/7/2024 7:53:57 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


I wouldn't necessarily consider it superior but the older we get the more grounded it is in experience and reality. I've seen this first hand as an Athens City Councilman and the past propensity to not screen proposed expenditures thoroughly.



Yep, I think we can all agree that boomers fiscal decisions have been perfectly sound and that they've left things set up to thrive across all walks of life.


That would be a stretch statement about any age demographic.



I'm just messing with you, man. My comments weren't actually about "fiscal responsibility" -- just that folks here will find reasons to be critical about any story related to to Ohio University that they come across.


After your 3334 posts, a few of us have figured out your game. What's interesting is that when legitimate questions are posed about various topics or projects and programs, the questioner is automatically painted as being against said projects. The quest for more information or the facts has suddenly been the pathway to gaslighting. Rather sad (and BLSS I'm speaking in very general terms and not talking about any specific person).



And after your 7k posts, I've figured out yours.

Here's the thing though: there weren't many questions asked. Without knowing the budget and with scant details, this dorm has been described as a resort, the desire to live there as "prissy", and the whole project pointed to as evidence of the eventual financial collapse of higher education.

There are two posters here looking for more info (and on fairness, you're one of them). But the only actual questions in the thread got ignored, and it's hard to see how the consensus here about this project came to be. At least based on the link provided, I'm not sure I understand.

So I made a joke about how old grads are whiny. And old grads whined about it.

Last Edited: 6/7/2024 8:04:32 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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giacomo
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/7/2024 9:57:08 PM 
The kids today are coddled, just as we were coddled compared to our parents and grandparents.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/8/2024 8:53:51 AM 
giacomo wrote:
The kids today are coddled, just as we were coddled compared to our parents and grandparents.


Coodled yes. Bulldozed for and hovered over, not so much and certainly not tracked by an app on a phone.

Somewhat interesting article.

https://www.parents.com/what-your-generation-says-about-y...

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giacomo
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/8/2024 8:53:00 PM 
My parents did not hover over me. They never pushed me to do anything. Whatever I did was because I wanted to do it. I had jobs cutting grass, paper routes and cleaning toilets at my high school. I never asked for or received a penny from them. Needless to say it helped me in the game of life.

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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/11/2024 10:07:57 AM 
Even when adjusting for inflation, college costs have more than doubled in the last 25-30 years. It's reckless and harmful. They are the opposite of resourceful, so much done for show. Growing their empire on the backs of naive youth who will be riddled with suffocating debt for decades.

So yeah, we react negatively to more fancy extensive spending.


Andrew Ruck
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SBH
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/11/2024 1:02:04 PM 
Don't forget the folks in the statehouse...plus our old friend George Voinovich, who reduced state subsidies for higher education. Used to be 50% of cost of tuition. Now 4%, placing Ohio 48th in state support.
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/12/2024 6:44:52 AM 
JimLurker34 wrote:
All of public higher education is heading over a cliff and may be getting quite close to the edge. I believe this is true for several reasons: excessive spending on luxury dorms, over the top athletics spending, and a general sense by the public that universities are becoming increasingly elitist and out of touch. I predict that within the next decade we'll see major austerity programs put in place by state legislatures to curb these excesses. The Ohio General Assembly may be a leader in this movement, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly.


I agree with you, but then go to the sports forums and folks think we can afford to pay 500 employees
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/12/2024 11:19:30 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:


I agree with you, but then go to the sports forums and folks think we can afford to pay 500 employees


Bet you can't quote somebody saying that.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/12/2024 5:26:38 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:


I agree with you, but then go to the sports forums and folks think we can afford to pay 500 employees


Bet you can't quote somebody saying that.


That would be the numerous folks on this board and many others saying that the athletes should be paid. I don't think we was talking about traditional employees within the department.

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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/12/2024 6:40:45 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:


I agree with you, but then go to the sports forums and folks think we can afford to pay 500 employees


Bet you can't quote somebody saying that.


That would be the numerous folks on this board and many others saying that the athletes should be paid. I don't think we was talking about traditional employees within the department.



I know what he was talking about. Who can you quote saying players should be employees?

The only conversation where it really came up was between me, you, and BTC -- and I wasn't actually advocating for employment, just pointing out that if you want to solve for player movement and stop people from transferring because they're misinformed of their NIL value, one potential solution is creating a more transparent, labor market.

But the actual conversation that BTC and I have had about that -- at length -- is that I suspected we'd end up with some hybrid where the players aren't employees but get a revenue share, or if they are employees, it'll be as a special class created for college athletics where all of the concerns about employment that BTC insists will bankrupt college sports will be carved out.

Which is just to say that BTC is just creating a strawman and arguing with nobody, as usual. And while he's doing so, the NCAA/P5 proposal is actually shaping up to be quite similar to what\ I outlined it'd be.

Last Edited: 6/12/2024 6:57:40 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/13/2024 1:48:20 PM 
SBH wrote:
Don't forget the folks in the statehouse...plus our old friend George Voinovich, who reduced state subsidies for higher education. Used to be 50% of cost of tuition. Now 4%, placing Ohio 48th in state support.


Voinovich was terrible for higher education. I remember him giving a speech to a statewide group of Young Republicans. First he bragged that he was going to turn I-71 into a gigantic silicon valley and then literally in his next sentence promised that he was also going to get those professors out of their laboratories and back into the classrooms with no sense of disconnect.
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/14/2024 8:37:01 AM 
OUPride wrote:
SBH wrote:
Don't forget the folks in the statehouse...plus our old friend George Voinovich, who reduced state subsidies for higher education. Used to be 50% of cost of tuition. Now 4%, placing Ohio 48th in state support.


Voinovich was terrible for higher education. I remember him giving a speech to a statewide group of Young Republicans. First he bragged that he was going to turn I-71 into a gigantic silicon valley and then literally in his next sentence promised that he was also going to get those professors out of their laboratories and back into the classrooms with no sense of disconnect.


2022 figures but pretty interesting map of funding dollars per pupil by state.

https://ncses.nsf.gov/indicators/states/indicator/state-s...

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OUPride
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  Message Not Read  RE: New South Green dorm breaking ground
   Posted: 6/14/2024 11:43:30 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OUPride wrote:
SBH wrote:
Don't forget the folks in the statehouse...plus our old friend George Voinovich, who reduced state subsidies for higher education. Used to be 50% of cost of tuition. Now 4%, placing Ohio 48th in state support.


Voinovich was terrible for higher education. I remember him giving a speech to a statewide group of Young Republicans. First he bragged that he was going to turn I-71 into a gigantic silicon valley and then literally in his next sentence promised that he was also going to get those professors out of their laboratories and back into the classrooms with no sense of disconnect.


2022 figures but pretty interesting map of funding dollars per pupil by state.

https://ncses.nsf.gov/indicators/states/indicator/state-s...



Literally Mississippi levels of neglect. Rhodes made some tragically stupid errors in how he grew the system, but at least he funded it. Celeste was good. Voinovich was terrible. Taft was indifferent. Strickland and Kasich were OK but didn't really undo the damage of the 90s, although Kasich was right to smack down the UC President when he started calling for "multiple flagships" something that would have set off another round of empire building and spreading scarce resources too thin. DeWine is incredibly weak, and just does what the legislature tells him to do.

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