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spongeBOB CATpants
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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/21/2023 4:15:57 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

If they nixed the 1 time free transfer rule I'd have no complaints on the current state of affairs.

Exhibit A to support my opinion that these kids should continue to be able to transfer and play immediately.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Article/FDU-...

I'd happily accept an amendment that allows for exceptions when a coach leaves. Seems fair enough to me.

The free transfer creates a minor league system for P5 schools. Since my favorite team is a mid-major that has been heavily impacted by this rule change, it shouldn't come as a surprise that I don't like the rule as it currently stands.

This.

And there was always a review process if you wanted it. Coaching changes, personal hardship, injuries, family issues, etc all solid amendments.

I'm not sure transfer anywhere, anytime is good business for anyone involved. Certainly not academically, but I know thats an aside for everyone.

It's crazy we're watching this kid from CMU - who is averaging TWELVE - transfer because now hes too good for the MAC. We all saw it coming from the early weeks of the season. TWELVE POINTS. And we knew he was gone.

I wish him well, but I think there should be some sort of two year stay commitment requirement or something. Again - waivers apply to circumstances. But one and dones will kill the P5. We need to have some sort of commitment from these kids. Recruiting is EXPENSIVE, and a lot of them are now arriving on campus thinking they'll be here for 6 months and ship off to Ohio State.

I also want to add that I'm not one to accept our program as a funnel to a P5 school. We're not a AAA baseball team. We win games in March no matter the opponent and that should be the standard for Ohio hoops forever.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/21/2023 4:55:21 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

If they nixed the 1 time free transfer rule I'd have no complaints on the current state of affairs.

Exhibit A to support my opinion that these kids should continue to be able to transfer and play immediately.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Article/FDU-...

Our team is impacted big time and will be for the foreseeable future but the portal & NIL are two genies that are not going back into the bottle.

Last Edited: 3/21/2023 4:55:49 PM by ohiocatfan1

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/21/2023 5:00:05 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

If they nixed the 1 time free transfer rule I'd have no complaints on the current state of affairs.

Exhibit A to support my opinion that these kids should continue to be able to transfer and play immediately.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Article/FDU-...

I see where you're coming from but is it fair to require a commitment from a kid when the head coach can bolt for a better job at the drop of a hat? The NCAA had every opportunity to address the issue that brought about the portal & NIL but refused.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/21/2023 5:11:04 PM

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

If they nixed the 1 time free transfer rule I'd have no complaints on the current state of affairs.

Exhibit A to support my opinion that these kids should continue to be able to transfer and play immediately.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Article/FDU-...

I think allowing kids to transfer would alleviate that sense of inequality.

Like I said, there are many circumstances in which I think it's fair to transfer, but just simply allowing the hundreds of schools outside the P5 to just act as a farm system isn't any more fair.

Last Edited: 3/21/2023 5:14:49 PM by M.D.W.S.T

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 9:11:43 AM

So far, the available data on the transfer portal doesn't really support the idea that non-P5 teams are just the minor leagues for P5 conferences. It seems like an accepted fact for a lot here. I'm not there yet.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 9:43:35 AM

I don't disagree with what he tweeted. I'm also a little confused with the deletion of the tweet. What is deleting, anyway? It's already out there, it's already been seen and copied. Other than a virtue signaling "my bad," what's the point of deletion? The words came out and they can't be un-said.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 3:05:23 PM

He deleted the Tweet as a way of saying "I will very happily take any job offered to me at a school with NIL resources like Miami's."

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 3:25:06 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Same here. I'm not even so sure that the portal doesn't benefit non-P5 teams just as much, if not more, than P5s.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 3:40:26 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Is there nuanced data at 247, verbalcommmits, etc to make detailed conclusions like this? Genuinely want to know... there are some scenarios I'd be interested in running when the smoke clears (percentage of transfers who moved to a higher NET conference, etc)

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 4:19:16 PM

My 2 cents: This is much ado about nothing. Is anyone going to even remember this tweet/delete when next season starts? The fact Boals was a finalist for the Butler job a year ago was WAY bigger news, and I imagine most folks now hardly remember that dalliance even happened.

I, for one, am happy Jeff Boals is our coach and think he has done well through four seasons coaching his alma mater. Let's focus on the portal news now and move on from this thread.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 5:52:50 PM

lovebobcat wrote:

Source please.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 6:39:44 PM

shabamon wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I haven't seen the raw data, but shared this in another thread somewhere. Hard to believe, but the transfer portal thing has come up before on Bobcatattack.com.

Here's an interesting link: https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2021/coll... /

A few interesting things (assuming I'm interpreting this right):

1) Transfers were already way up before the new transfer rule. They rose 76% between 2012 and 2020.
2) Only 19% of transfers were "upward" -- meaning that a player moved from a mid-major or lower to a P5 school. Of that 19%, only 52 players (3.5% of transfers) moved from a mid-major to a P5 school.
3) More P5 players transferred to mid-majors than vice versa.
4) The largest group of transfers are "downward"
5) College athletes transfer at a much lower rate than college students in general. But only college athletes get accused of not caring about academics when they do it.

The link doesn't have data on this, but also very curious to know of the 52 players who transferred up from mid-major to P5, how many would have exhausted their eligibility without the Covid year. Worth remembering that we lost BVP, but without Covid he just graduates and that's that. I suspect that 52 number may actually be a little inflated as a result.

Edit: Realized that by the above link's definition, we're not a mid-major and are in the "other D1 schools group" -- they define mid-major as non P5 schools that had multiple NCAA tournament bids within the last 5 years. MAC doesn't qualify.

Last Edited: 3/22/2023 6:51:01 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 6:53:12 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Becarful on that data usage about more people going down then up. Someone doesn't like those facts.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 7:25:26 PM

lovebobcat wrote:

Hardly anyone yes. But the ones who do remember will the ones that it actually matters that they remember. That's why they'll make sure that they remember.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/22/2023 11:32:21 PM

Two questions:

1. Was Boals really a finalist last year at Butler? I don't remember this. I do remember that his name was floated around by some talking heads and in a few newspaper columns, but I don't remember anything official from Butler or any real evidence that he was actually a finalist. Anyone got proof that he was?

2. If you looked at just men's basketball and football would it still be true that the general student population transfers more than athletes?

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 7:00:53 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

The data shared was only basketball players. So I suspect the answer is yes, unless football players transfer at a much, much higher rate than basketball players.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 9:13:27 AM

lovebobcat wrote:

+1, MDWST and I are talking to ourselves in the portal thread (haha).

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 9:25:37 AM

Another one I'd want to know - Players named to their conference's 1st, 2nd or all-freshman team AND would be eligible to play right away if they transferred following that season (meaning had not already used their one free transfer OR would be considered a grad transfer). What percentage of that group enters the portal vs stays put.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 10:32:46 AM

shabamon wrote:

Interesting question, and it makes you wonder if coaches would rather their players not make those teams in today's climate because it might put their name out there too much.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 10:53:21 AM

To me, it doesn't really matter if a player transfers up to P5 or makes a lateral move. Good players transferring out of Ohio hurts regardless of where they end up.

Example - Ryan Taylor leaving for Evansville.

The free transfer + NIL resources that the P5 have access to creates the system that allows big programs to poach from a conference like the MAC. Its not just NIL and its not just the transfer rule, its the combination of both that opens the door wide open and creates a clear disadvantage for schools that don't have the resources to pay up. I think everybody here can see that.

Having a player sit out a year would provide a little balance in the equation, IMO.

I don't have any issue when a player obtains their degree and decides to transfer. In that scenario, the player has fulfilled their commitment to the university.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 10:56:09 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The data shared was only basketball players. So I suspect the answer is yes, unless football players transfer at a much, much higher rate than basketball players.

Interesting, I had assumed, incorrectly, that your stat was including all college varsity athletes, and, of course, there seems to be a lot less transfers in nearly all the women's sports and in many other male sports such as baseball, track, cross country, etc.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 5:55:31 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

If they nixed the 1 time free transfer rule I'd have no complaints on the current state of affairs.

Exhibit A to support my opinion that these kids should continue to be able to transfer and play immediately.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Article/FDU-...

"I also want to add that I'm not one to accept our program as a funnel to a P5 school. We're not a AAA baseball team. We win games in March no matter the opponent and that should be the standard for Ohio hoops forever."

+1 SpongeBob

I wish more people felt this way.

Last Edited: 3/23/2023 5:55:55 PM by FearLeon

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/23/2023 7:51:08 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

The problem is that there's no legal way to justify this, and the Supreme Court made very clear that they're sick of the NCAAs nonsense.

Limiting compensation and player movement in the interest of competitive balance is a non-starter legally. If you want to limit movement, there's a way to do it. But it requires employment. Professional sports leagues do it all the time.

But if the NCAA is going to insist these are amateur students who just play sports because it turns them into well-rounded adults, they can't also treat them differently than other students.

You should read Brett Kavanaugh's summation. The NCAA is rightly terrified of the courts right now, and we're closer to actual employment of college athletes than we are restrictions on transfers.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/24/2023 10:07:27 AM

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Non P5 schools like ours have always been at a disadvantage as we have never had the resources P5 schools have. We always hope for the NCAA tournament and a win, or maybe even 2, but when that happens our coach is poached by a P5. As for a transfer having to sit out a year I'm all for it as long as a head coach is required to do the same when moving on for greener pastures.

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RE: Boals Tweet

Posted: 3/24/2023 10:14:02 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

At the end of the day the NCAA is the member schools like OHIO. There are significant reasons that schools have NO interest in making athletes employees. Hell, OHIO isn't willing to pay the employees they actually have right now.

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