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   Posted: 9/10/2024 2:58:23 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons?


Because there is very little chance that our Women's team could win those games.

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   Posted: 9/10/2024 10:03:14 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000.


Totally agree, sadly. To the average schmo on Court Street, they don't know who JMU or FGCU is. They're so tuned in to the B1G, etc., that that's all they know. Those of us on this board, and folks like us are unfortunately rare - we know more about college hoops that most do. Maybe that's what makes us special, maybe not.

I will admit, I *really* miss the days of the Bracketbusters. I feel like those games really kind of educated fan bases, and man was that a fun Saturday.
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   Posted: 9/11/2024 9:04:39 AM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons?


I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams.

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   Posted: 9/11/2024 1:12:48 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000.


I don't believe that. They may be new on the block, but James Madison is one of the best G5 times in the country in both sports.

Upset Wisconsin in the NCAA tournament last year.

Football hosted College Gameday last season.
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   Posted: 9/11/2024 1:38:20 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons?


I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams.


Memphis tied for 5th in the AAC last season. Memphis in late March 2024 was rated 75 in the NET rankings. Dayton, Cincinatti, Ohio State and Xavier were all rated above Memphis. Dayton was rated in the top 25. I find it difficult to believe that Ohio can't get a game with one of the above schools. Two of these programs are power four schools. Ohio will have to travel, but it would be a short trip. Does anyone know what Memphis is paying the Bobcats? Guessing that the schools mentioned above would fork out that type of money?
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   Posted: 9/11/2024 1:55:00 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000.


I don't believe that. They may be new on the block, but James Madison is one of the best G5 times in the country in both sports.

Upset Wisconsin in the NCAA tournament last year.

Football hosted College Gameday last season.



If they were ranked, definitely better than Bucknell and LA Tech, but not 13K for the home opener.
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   Posted: 9/16/2024 11:18:14 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000.


I don't believe that. They may be new on the block, but James Madison is one of the best G5 times in the country in both sports.

Upset Wisconsin in the NCAA tournament last year.

Football hosted College Gameday last season.



That NCAA tournament appearance was their first in almost a decade. They've only been twice in the past 30 years. There's no way we'd draw close to what you're thinking because Gameday selected them for football. The name doesn't carry that much weight across sports. They're a good opponent, nothing more. You need a bigger name to draw big numbers.
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   Posted: 9/19/2024 5:17:01 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons?


I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams.


Memphis men? They haven't been anything since Calipari left. All hype and no results.

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   Posted: 9/19/2024 9:48:31 AM 
Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule.

https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1

I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants.
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   Posted: 9/19/2024 10:18:06 AM 
shabamon wrote:
Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule.

https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1

I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants.


I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues.
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   Posted: 9/19/2024 10:38:38 AM 
CatsUp wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule.

https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1

I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants.


I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues.


Are there a lot of examples of college basketball marketing materials that have focused on education over the last 40 years?
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   Posted: 9/19/2024 12:27:01 PM 
JSF wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons?


I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams.


Memphis men? They haven't been anything since Calipari left. All hype and no results.


110%. Look at the number of tournament appearances and wins, and I'd bet you that Ohio is close, or better than their results. Lots of hype & arrogance without the results to go with it. Their fans are as bad or worse than Kentucky fans. Blue teams....friends don't let friends root for them.
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   Posted: 9/19/2024 5:59:30 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
JSF wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons?


I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams.


Memphis men? They haven't been anything since Calipari left. All hype and no results.


110%. Look at the number of tournament appearances and wins, and I'd bet you that Ohio is close, or better than their results. Lots of hype & arrogance without the results to go with it. Their fans are as bad or worse than Kentucky fans. Blue teams....friends don't let friends root for them.


They have six NCAA appearances since Calipari left after the 2009 season. They win that. They have 3 NCAA wins so, you're right, they lag behind Ohio there.

This is a stat, NCAA wins since 2010, where we beat the vast majority of D1 programs. Sometimes you watch a sports broadcast where they go out of their way to laud a player. Like, and I made this up, it isn't a real player here - He's the first player with 4 consecutive seasons with at least 52 doubles, 39 homeruns, 47 stolen bases, 87 runs, and 98 RBI. Well, 4, 52, 39, 47, 87, & 98 are arbitrary numbers that you picked to just barely include him and just barley exclude a whole host of other players. NCAA wins since 2010 is the sort of stat the an Ohio fan might pick out, out of a countless number of other things you could use, to intentionally laud their program. That isn't exactly what happened here. 2010 was picked since it was the year Memphis's most well known coach left and NCAA wins was one of two stats you mentioned.

Memphis beats us in the vast majority of comparisons that you could make though. Like NCAA wins since 2013 (three of our wins since 2010 go away), or conference championships since 1995, or all-time final four appearances, or all-time wins (by 32), or times in the AP poll since 2000, or current NBA players, or lots of other things.

Last Edited: 9/19/2024 7:10:05 PM by Victory
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   Posted: 9/20/2024 10:56:32 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule.

https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1

I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants.


I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues.


Are there a lot of examples of college basketball marketing materials that have focused on education over the last 40 years?


Nah. Not exclusively education that I’m aware of anyway. However, mentioning the name of the school there would encompass everything associated with the school in my opinion, including education, and be a better representation of a “college” basketball team. I also don’t recall any marketing materials for colleges in the pre-NIL/portal that mentioned cities (or states with the probable exception of OSU as they have their own unique identity issues) in them. That seems to me to have been historically a tactic used by professional teams, which gets to my original point.
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   Posted: 9/20/2024 11:58:08 AM 
CatsUp wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule.

https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1

I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants.


I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues.


Are there a lot of examples of college basketball marketing materials that have focused on education over the last 40 years?


Nah. Not exclusively education that I’m aware of anyway. However, mentioning the name of the school there would encompass everything associated with the school in my opinion, including education, and be a better representation of a “college” basketball team. I also don’t recall any marketing materials for colleges in the pre-NIL/portal that mentioned cities (or states with the probable exception of OSU as they have their own unique identity issues) in them. That seems to me to have been historically a tactic used by professional teams, which gets to my original point.


In googling this further I found that linking college sports teams and communities in advertising has been a thing for longer than I was aware. Just haven’t experienced it myself I guess.

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   Posted: 9/20/2024 9:08:30 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
i’m not suggesting they would draw more bobcat fans. i’m outlining that they would bring their fans. App st fans tell me they flooded the gym.


That is not something they have done historically in basketball. Obviously, they caught fire last year and put together a historic season. To their fans' credit, they responded. Whether or not their fans continue to travel that way remains to be seen.
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